Ichiro Itano is a mean man.

[Vifam7]

Uhm, the first OAV is Dallos. There's no argument about it. Then there was lots of porn. Then there was Megazone.

Which was also porn.

j/k

Though... Part 2 did have a sex scene..

[Ginrai]

Which was also porn.

j/k

Though... Part 2 did have a sex scene..

Megazone 23 Part 1 had a sex scene as well.

[anime52k8]

Which was also porn.

j/k

Though... Part 2 did have a sex scene..

part 1 had a sex scene, a really trippy as hell sex scene.

I think that's the biggest problem with Part 3 (besides the horrible in-between animation) is the lack of sex.

I have no idea what this has to do with itano being a jerk but I love Megazone 23.

[dreamweaver13]

Old titles like Gundam and Macross do well because they have an established base of fans thanks to the fact that they were mega-hits back in the day. What's different these days I think is that the classic way of funding robot anime has dwindled. Back in the 80's the anime companies can count on toy companies to back them up (sponsorship). Today, unless the robot anime is backed by Bandai or Takara it won't get made. If you look at the majority of today's anime titles, most of them have a "media tie-in" (manga, novels, or video games). In other words, the anime isn't made unless it's based on a popular manga, novel, or video game. That's why I think a lot of anime these days are sponsored/promoted by media publishers like Kadokawa. And what manga, novels, and video games are popular? It certainly isn't robot stuff. It's all ecchi, romance, and/or comedy stuff.

And that's the rub. if it's only the old titles that are doing well, then mecha nowadays may be relying mostly on the nostalgia factor, or its fanbase who are now into their 30s to 40s. Can the industry continue to create new mecha shows that will capture the imagination of a younger generation? After EVA, what is probably the next iconic super or real robot (without a connection to any prior mecha show) that will carry the industry into the next generations? Gurren Lagenn is the closest thing that comes to mind, but I think even the fanbase of that show are mostly driven by nostalgia for the super robots of old.

Ultimately, the producers are probably thinking: sure, well capture the older demographic by using the macross name, or the gundam name. but what about the crucial younger demographic? to hook them in, we need to add the moe. the characters. the ecchi and comedy. It's really unfair to demand that super and real robot stories be written and animated in the same way as before. it's a different time, a different product. evolve or die. Me, i'd rather it be the former:)

[Freiflug88]

I have no idea what this has to do with itano being a jerk but I love Megazone 23.

We were talking about Itano's comment that mecha and robots don't sell especially mecha toys and Vifam7 mentioned:

BTW, OAVs are wholly dependent on DVD/Blu-ray sales. OAVs are rarely if ever created in hopes of selling toys.

Then I said:

It ties back in with only young adults having VCRs and Betamax players in the 80s. Young adults don't typically buy toys, but OAV makers were able to appeal to them by depicting mature content that they could never show on a broadcast show to kids. Just look at the sex scene in what many consider the first true OAV Megazone 23 and the birth of the Hentai video genre when VCRs became available in the 80s.

part 1 had a sex scene, a really trippy as hell sex scene.

I think that's the biggest problem with Part 3 (besides the horrible in-between animation) is the lack of sex.

See what did I say? Its not about the awesome mecha or toys, fans just watch OVAs for the porn.

Uhm, the first OAV is Dallos. There's no argument about it. Then there was lots of porn. Then there was Megazone.

I said "what many consider the first true OAV" cause I am tired of how whenever someone always states the earliest OAV to their knowledge, some fanboy always seems to but in with "No. Such and such was definetly the earliest" like you just did.

Ultimately, the producers are probably thinking: sure, well capture the older demographic by using the macross name, or the gundam name. but what about the crucial younger demographic? to hook them in, we need to add the moe. the characters. the ecchi and comedy. It's really unfair to demand that super and real robot stories be written and animated in the same way as before. it's a different time, a different product. evolve or die. Me, i'd rather it be the former:)

Having characters and comedy are necessary ingredients for any decent show and ecchi and moe used sparingly can work well, but several recent shows seem to over do things in my book. I find it sad that rather then see the obvious: that shows like SDF Macross, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Eva became timeless classics because they were well written and thought out, not cause they added in gratuitous nudity, violence, and/or dumb comedy like they were a B-movie. It's not unfair to demand super and real robot be written and animated in the way they were done before. Anime studios and their sponsers shot themselves in the foot when they decided to place anime into late night slots where apparently the only chance for success is to pour in the moe and ecchi to appeal to the hardcore fans. Gurren Lagann is an excellent exception though that showed going back to the spirit of Super Robot Shows with its well written stories, charaters, and hand-drawn looking animation that everyone can enjoy inside a daytime TV slot. Its nothing ,but an excuse and insult to say that all the young fans and thus most of the anime market have de-evolved into horny hardcore otaku that are only satisfied with cheap ecchi instead of well written and unique shows.

Edited October 22, 2009 by Freiflug88

[Gubaba]

I said "what many consider the first true OAV" cause I am tired of how whenever someone always states the earliest OAV to their knowledge, some fanboy always seems to but in with "No. Such and such was definetly the earliest" like you just did.

Except that all the fanboys say, "No. Dallos was definitely the first."

It's always Dallos. Nothing else.

[Freiflug88]

Except that all the fanboys say, "No. Dallos was definitely the first."

It's always Dallos. Nothing else.

I must be hanging out with the fanboys then cause I have honestly never heard of Dallos before toady. Then again most of the fanboys I know don't watch anything pre-90s.

[Mercurial Morpheus]

You don't need to hang out with fanboys to research something. I was always told it was Megazone myself, but than I heard of and saw Dallos. It's not bad if you can handle the lack of decent translation and quasi conclusion. How is anything a "true" first OAV anyway? If it was direct to video, it's an OAV. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean the better known title is more deserving of it. My general thought is that Megazone was simply the more popular and influential title, hence the confusion.

OAV's have always had to worry more about appealing to it's market than most. Classic example is them not killing off Priss in BGC as planned because fans said they wouldn't buy it if they did when the word leaked (it's still painfully obvious considering she seems to magically heal from a Bowie knife to the gut). Hence how art always has to balance with marketability. The sad stuff happens when the marketers only think they know what the fans want or are unwelling to try something new. Time slots affect things too. Later night shows can be more niche than primetime (stuff like Zetsunbou Sensei would never fly with a non-otaku audience [even they compare it to the manga, something western fans don't quite have the luxury for]). Look at Code Geass. The fantasy elements were added when it became a late night show because they felt that sort of thing appealed more to that audience. When R2 went to primetime, the characters had to be reintroduced and so forth. It's interesting how stuff like that can affect a show.

[dreamweaver13]

Classic example is them not killing off Priss in BGC as planned because fans said they wouldn't buy it if they did when the word leaked (it's still painfully obvious considering she seems to magically heal from a Bowie knife to the gut).

Oh come on, it could be worse. the character could have been seemingly killed halfway through the show, and then before the show ends, someone offscreen shouts "Hey, ______ just woke up from his coma! he's alive! YO JOE!!"

*btw, I didn't mention the character's name, so that you'll have no idea what movie i'm talking about. I'm very discreet that way.

[dreamweaver13]

Having characters and comedy are necessary ingredients for any decent show and ecchi and moe used sparingly can work well, but several recent shows seem to over do things in my book. I find it sad that rather then see the obvious: that shows like SDF Macross, Mobile Suit Gundam, and Eva became timeless classics because they were well written and thought out, not cause they added in gratuitous nudity, violence, and/or dumb comedy like they were a B-movie. It's not unfair to demand super and real robot be written and animated in the way they were done before. Anime studios and their sponsers shot themselves in the foot when they decided to place anime into late night slots where apparently the only chance for success is to pour in the moe and ecchi to appeal to the hardcore fans. Gurren Lagann is an excellent exception though that showed going back to the spirit of Super Robot Shows with its well written stories, charaters, and hand-drawn looking animation that everyone can enjoy inside a daytime TV slot. Its nothing ,but an excuse and insult to say that all the young fans and thus most of the anime market have de-evolved into horny hardcore otaku that are only satisfied with cheap ecchi instead of well written and unique shows.

You're right. It's never unfair to demand something. wrong choice of words from me. what i'm saying is, you can't really blame them. i'm sure they put in a lot of marketing research into it, and the numbers showed that that's what majority of the young fans wanted. I don't think it's an insult; it's just what the numbers told them to do. if the producers' premise is wrong (that young otaku are looking for the cheap ecchi and moe stuff), then the stuff won't sell, and it'll die a natural death.

And i agree, the classics became classics because they were well written and thought out. but they came out circa 80's, during a different time. i don't know if the formula would work in this particular time period. if there was no macross in 1982, and it was only aired in 2000s, would it have the same effect on the industry? would kids at our age at the time we first watched macross also love it as much? would it have as many die-hard fans around the world? 25 years down the line, would it have those same fans still pining for it, putting up a forum, buying merchandise and waiting for the next macross product? I don't know. i'm not arguing that it will, i'm not arguing that it won't. i really don't know.

it worked for Gurren, but who did it really appeal to? did it appeal to old-school mecha fans? yes. did it also appeal to the young fans? i don't know. i don't have the demographics data. and besides, gurren also has its fair share of fan service, so i don't know if i should have used it as an example in the first place.

[sketchley]

I must be hanging out with the fanboys then cause I have honestly never heard of Dallos before toady. Then again most of the fanboys I know don't watch anything pre-90s.

Don't worry, you're correct in bracketing your statement with "what most consider...".

Dallos is, of course, the correct first OVA (OAV?), but your bracketing saves you, as it implies that others think Megazone is, and you don't necessarily agree with that opinion. Ginrai gets the faux pas award for not reading carefully and mistaking an opinion for a fact...

Anyhow, is there more of the interview translated? And if so, is it by someone with a less "colourful" (aka more accurate to the original) diction?

[Gubaba]

Don't worry, you're correct in bracketing your statement with "what most consider...".

Dallos is, of course, the correct first OVA (OAV?), but your bracketing saves you, as it implies that others think Megazone is, and you don't necessarily agree with that opinion. Ginrai gets the faux pas award for not reading carefully and mistaking an opinion for a fact...

Anyhow, is there more of the interview translated? And if so, is it by someone with a less "colourful" (aka more accurate to the original) diction?

I'm too busy with other things (and, as I said, I found it too difficult to fully translate), but I can post a scan of the whole thing if you'd like.

[sketchley]

I'm too busy with other things (and, as I said, I found it too difficult to fully translate), but I can post a scan of the whole thing if you'd like.

It's from #1 or 2 of Macross Ace, right? Have both of those.

Thanks for the offer, but it's more out of curiousity than anything else. I, too, am too busy with (more important) stuff to give it a work over.

[VFTF1]

I must be hanging out with the fanboys then cause I have honestly never heard of Dallos before toady. Then again most of the fanboys I know don't watch anything pre-90s.

You know - personally I always prefered Dynasty. I could never get into Dallas. I don't know why. But Dynasty - man I followed that one like some fanatic. I loved it. I didn't particularly have any favorite characters - but I just liked following the twists and turns of the soap opera. Looking back, I find the whole "Blake rebels against his son's gay lover" story arc amazingly fun to watch. I hated the Alexis vs. Crystal cat fights when they resorted to those. But in general - I just liked the sappy drama.

So - with all respect to Dallas fans - it's not like if you haven't heard of it until today then you're a nobody.

Maybe you're like me? A Dynasty fan.

Pete

[Gubaba]

It's from #1 or 2 of Macross Ace, right? Have both of those.

Thanks for the offer, but it's more out of curiousity than anything else. I, too, am too busy with (more important) stuff to give it a work over.

Issue #2, yeah.

I'll try to see if I can work out a summary of it or something, but no promises.

[sketchley]

Issue #2, yeah.

I'll try to see if I can work out a summary of it or something, but no promises.

If you can, cool. If you can't, also cool.

[Freiflug88]

it worked for Gurren, but who did it really appeal to? did it appeal to old-school mecha fans? yes. did it also appeal to the young fans? i don't know. i don't have the demographics data. and besides, gurren also has its fair share of fan service, so i don't know if i should have used it as an example in the first place.

Its very true that Gurren packed a lot of fan service for a daytime anime show. That said I feel its hard to actually find a popular anime that had ZERO fanservice, but its easy to spot animes that become popular with fans for a lot of good reasons besides showing off lots of fan service.

You know - personally I always prefered Dynasty. I could never get into Dallas. I don't know why. But Dynasty - man I followed that one like some fanatic. I loved it. I didn't particularly have any favorite characters - but I just liked following the twists and turns of the soap opera. Looking back, I find the whole "Blake rebels against his son's gay lover" story arc amazingly fun to watch. I hated the Alexis vs. Crystal cat fights when they resorted to those. But in general - I just liked the sappy drama.

So - with all respect to Dallas fans - it's not like if you haven't heard of it until today then you're a nobody.

Maybe you're like me? A Dynasty fan.

Pete

Uh I have never heard of Dynasty either...

Anyway I downloaded Dallos last night from ADC cause it was freeleech until Saturday. I haven't watched it yet though.

[labsenpai]

Having met and listened to Itano at a Con, I can definitely say he is in the mecha otaku camp. He didn't talk about how his missile "circus" is artistic, he wanted you to know that he had been thinking about types of seeker warheads. If Itano ever invited you to watch anime at his place, you'd need to forget moe and study military hardware 101. I haven't seen the magazine in question, but I can imagine Itano's ire regarding a Macross-themed publication that brushes off the cool tech portion.

I don't think he is being hypocritical, based off involvement in videos like Plastic Little. Having attractive characters in your anime doesn't automatically place it in the "moe" category. You wouldn't call Misa Hayase that...unless she spent half the time as a micloned chibi with ponytails.

Edited October 23, 2009 by labsenpai

[VF5SS]

Misa is Tsundere, not moe.

[Ginrai]

Dallos is, of course, the correct first OVA (OAV?), but your bracketing saves you, as it implies that others think Megazone is, and you don't necessarily agree with that opinion. Ginrai gets the faux pas award for not reading carefully and mistaking an opinion for a fact...

Oh shut up. Someone was giving out incorrect information and I was correcting it. Dallos is the first OAV. That is a fact, and having an opinion that something other than Dallos is the first OAV is stupid because it's not true.

Also, Dallos is totally boring. Now THAT is an opinion.

Edited October 23, 2009 by Ginrai

[Renato]

Ultimately, the producers are probably thinking: sure, well capture the older demographic by using the macross name, or the gundam name. but what about the crucial younger demographic? to hook them in, we need to add the moe. the characters. the ecchi and comedy. It's really unfair to demand that super and real robot stories be written and animated in the same way as before. it's a different time, a different product. evolve or die. Me, i'd rather it be the former:)

It hasn't evolved, it's all shrunk into a tiny corner. It's devolved. They should be targeting everyone, not just anime fans, be they moe or mecha geeks.

Super and real robot animation was originally for kids, with some elements that adults could also enjoy. There's nothing wrong with that. They're excluding the bigger potential market if they only try to appeal to the otaku, and limiting the spread of the franchise to other demographics.

Seen in this light, the SDF pachinko game may actually be a smart move.

BTW, I already plugged this in the Anime/SF section a while back, but it relates to this topic, so here's the link again to the Patrick Macias podcast about Moe and where "Otakudom" may be headed.

http://patrickmacias.blogs.com/er/2009/10/...e.html#comments

[Bri]

It hasn't evolved, it's all shrunk into a tiny corner. It's devolved. They should be targeting everyone, not just anime fans, be they moe or mecha geeks.

Super and real robot animation was originally for kids, with some elements that adults could also enjoy. There's nothing wrong with that. They're excluding the bigger potential market if they only try to appeal to the otaku, and limiting the spread of the franchise to other demographics.

Seen in this light, the SDF pachinko game may actually be a smart move.

BTW, I already plugged this in the Anime/SF section a while back, but it relates to this topic, so here's the link again to the Patrick Macias podcast about Moe and where "Otakudom" may be headed.

Just a question really, but do you think anime actually can return to mainstream? What I have read suggested that anime was forced out of the mainstream by the tighter regulations for television in the mid nineties. Leaving only the childrens and all family shows like Sazae-san, Chibi Maruko, Pokemo, One Piece etc. Macross and Gundam as we knew them would not have met censorship requirements.

While I share your concern for the one sided focus on the otaku market (20 out of 40 shows this season are moe fests), I get the impression that the producers/makers only try to deal with the changed market conditions, whether they like the current direction or not.

[mospeadamacrosstech]

The industry, foreign and abroad are full of egotistical infants.

Itano was simply lashing out at Frontier for one reason: he was not part of it. And so, he's throwing a temper tantrum to anyone willing to give him attention. Like a child.

Itano needs to get over himself. Yes, he does bring up a few points, but as Eugimon points out, he does contradict himself. Thus reiterating my initial commentary about the man. Boy. Child. Infant.

Personally, I liked Macross Frontier. It wasn't the best of Macross, but it wasn't the worst either. As a whole, it was lacking, but entertaining. It felt Hollywood to me, in the sense where it was a lot of flash and not enough substance.

And yes, I am a fan of some of Itano's work, but he is still an infant.

[VFTF1]

it was a lot of flash and not enough substance.

Best John Conor voice: Haven't you learned anything yet? Haven't you figured out that you don't need big boobs to be the idol songstress of the Galaxy?

Seriously though - to me - Macross Frontier had a heck of a lot of substance. There was a ton of good content...again...go back to the sixteen zillion pages of threads per episode that were written on this board as people watched the series... I think people just tend to forget the specifics and remember the "flash" because it was indeed flashy - but there was a lot of thought put into it - a lot of good meaty substance.

As for Itano and mecha and "taking hardware seriously" etc etc... Umm...I dunno...

I mean - can Itano really say that MF didn't take mecha seriously? Were the designs of the valkyrie or the ships lacking in detail, not thought out well, badly done?

I mean - there was plenty of good mecha action in the show - to make it sound lilke there was nothing but lolicon moe for 26 episodes straight is wrong. Ok - true - there weren't that many "huge" battles - but the mecha WERE always in some kind of action throughout the series - whether valkyrie, destroids, colony ships, Macross class ships, EX armor....lots and lots of stuff.

No reason to complain that mecha was somehow under-represented or sidelined.

Pete

[MilSpex]

Hell- in real time combat, even frickin' snipers are "moving." I mean - come on - if you're a sniper during a fire fight, then chances are that you're moving. There's explosions going off shaking the ground, there's airplanes flying around. The tree you're in can move.

I mean - come on. SDFM TV had Hikaru's FAN JET function perfectly well in OUT SPACE. Minmey and Hikaru should have been crushed or frozen to death.

Snipers don`t move when they`re taking a shot. They try to move as little as possible when taking a shot.

Correct me, I may be wrong but didnt Hikaru use the additional jet boosters on the fan jet to maneuver in space?

I love everything Itano said in that interview. Sure MF looked pretty but it wasn`t really Macross in a lot of ways, the main being pandering to lame moe trends.

[JB0]

Honestly, I suspect he's pissed with anime in general and was using Frontier to vent.

It's hardly the worst of the recent crop of shows, but it's what they were asking him to talk about, and giving him written permission to tear apart.

The VF sniper rifle WAS kind of silly, though I'd argue it was a sympton of the real problem.

All our relevant characters had their own custom machines. Not just paintjobs, full unique equipment loadouts. On special advance-issue prototypes, even!

That's a slap in the face to the original series, which took great pains to avoid having a hero mech. Everyone had the same gear and the same plane. Sure Hikaru's 1J had a funny-looking head, but it wasn't any better or worse than Focker's 1S or everyone else's 1A. It went the same speed, fired the same gun, carried the same missiles... it was just another bird in the sky.

I suppose I should just be glad the Frontier gang weren't all flying one-off mechs like in Gundam. There's still SOME vestige of the original series in there.

[D.D. Ivanov]

The sniper rifle kind of bugged me, though my main problem is how the VFs periodically move around too human-like. I don't enjoy watching mechs grapple and make hand gestures.

[Kronnang Dunn]

Ahahaha hehehe! *giggle

aside from his mecha designs i now have a new reason to like him ! XD

Whoa... Is Itano a mechanical designer too?

Edited November 18, 2009 by Kronnang Dunn

[JB0]

The sniper rifle kind of bugged me, though my main problem is how the VFs periodically move around too human-like. I don't enjoy watching mechs grapple and make hand gestures.

The slap was what did me in, really.

And not JUST because Klan should know better than to be slapping mecha with only a fragile skintight space suit between her and the hard vacuum of space!

[Save]

The industry, foreign and abroad are full of egotistical infants.

Itano was simply lashing out at Frontier for one reason: he was not part of it. And so, he's throwing a temper tantrum to anyone willing to give him attention. Like a child.

Itano needs to get over himself. Yes, he does bring up a few points, but as Eugimon points out, he does contradict himself. Thus reiterating my initial commentary about the man. Boy. Child. Infant.

Personally, I liked Macross Frontier. It wasn't the best of Macross, but it wasn't the worst either. As a whole, it was lacking, but entertaining. It felt Hollywood to me, in the sense where it was a lot of flash and not enough substance.

And yes, I am a fan of some of Itano's work, but he is still an infant.

I've been told by two Japanese natives that are fluent in English that while the translation for the most part is correct, the way it is written is not at all mean spirited. They are saying that most are over reacting to a translation that is not perfect especially in the delivery of Japanese nuances. So who is the infant now? J/K.

Edited November 18, 2009 by Save

[Kronnang Dunn]

While I liked the idea of sniper mecha and the way it was depicted in Frontier, I must add that it was obviously taken from Gundam 00.... a very very overhyped anime (I've seen it and re-seen and I still do not like it!!!).

I agree with Itano's complaints about how most mecha anime today is just following trends. Not true innovation anymore...

Edited November 18, 2009 by Kronnang Dunn

[JB0]

While I liked the idea of sniper mecha and the way it was depicted in Frontier, I must add that it was obviously taken from Gundam 00.... a very very overhyped anime (I've seen it and re-seen and I still do not like it!!!).

If you didn't like it... why did you rewatch it?

Personally, I dropped that one about the point their crazy scientist dude started declaring they could use a paint chip scrapped off the star mech to construct a detailed performance analysis of a completely unknown machine.

If I'd CARED about anything, I probably would've laughed my rear off and moved on. But I just felt insulted at the complete idiocy of the entire thing.

"Hey, guys.. check this out! Our 50-foot robots can make centuries-old conflicts wash up overnight as guerilla terrorist organizations decide we're too big a threat to them and ally with legitimate governments to stop us!"

So yeah, I gave it about 5 episodes. Ugly robots, horrible writing, cliche and naive themes...

[Gubaba]

While I liked the idea of sniper mecha and the way it was depicted in Frontier, I must add that it was obviously taken from Gundam 00.... a very very overhyped anime (I've seen it and re-seen and I still do not like it!!!).

How could Frontier have ripped it off from 00, considering the two shows were being developed more or less simultaneously?

[VFTF1]

If you didn't like it... why did you rewatch it?

Personally, I dropped that one about the point their crazy scientist dude started declaring they could use a paint chip scrapped off the star mech to construct a detailed performance analysis of a completely unknown machine.

If I'd CARED about anything, I probably would've laughed my rear off and moved on. But I just felt insulted at the complete idiocy of the entire thing.

"Hey, guys.. check this out! Our 50-foot robots can make centuries-old conflicts wash up overnight as guerilla terrorist organizations decide we're too big a threat to them and ally with legitimate governments to stop us!"

So yeah, I gave it about 5 episodes. Ugly robots, horrible writing, cliche and naive themes...

Oh wow. Really? That is pretty bad. I only watched 5 episodes and got bored with it pretty quickly. Kind of felt a bit like that SEED movie "the blazing starlight" or whatever it was called, but without the benefit of being only 2 hours long... OO was asking me to suffer 26 episodes or however much of it there might have been.

Oh - and that's another thing. Gundam has just about ZERO humor in it. This is true for just about all the Gundam I've seen except for Turn-A, but even there the humor is a double edged sword because it's just usually stuff like Loren bumping his head - which isn't so much funny as meant to show that things do not always proceed smoothely, without a flaw.

But yeah...if your show lacks any humor whatsoever and compels a sombre, sober and gritty theme upon you...then that theme better be good.

I personally was very enthusiastic about OO judging by the first episode - the idea of the Celestial Beings as endeavoring to stop war, and the complex political landscape that the show presents us on Earth - all very promising.

But then really quickly things go really wrong...I'm not sure what exactly it was the put me to sleep... oh...now I remember...I think it might have been the colorless and boring characters....and that Graham guy ....

But this show is really hot and cold - some people really love it. I don't hate it. I haven't seen it, so who knows? But it just doesn't stick...

As for the mecha... hm...ugly? I dunno. A bit spindly at times... above all - too much mecha. Too much. I don't like shows where there's too much super-mecha unless they're presented like in Gurren Lagann where there's just a supreme amount of carnage...

err...

um...

As for:

How could Frontier have ripped it off from 00, considering the two shows were being developed more or less simultaneously?

Good question. For that matter, the idea of a Sniper mecha isn't exactly something that either Frontier or 00 came up with either, is it? I mean, there was a Gundam sniper mecha in some earlier series, and I'm sure if we dug around, there'd be various sniper mecha in obscure anime that came before too.

Pete

[Kronnang Dunn]

If you didn't like it... why did you rewatch it?

LOL, Because many of my female friends love it... (just for the characters)

That's why I call it the Beverly Hills 90210/Gossip Girl/Twilight of mecha anime.

How could Frontier have ripped it off from 00, considering the two shows were being developed more or less simultaneously?

Gundam 00 Season 1 first trailer aired on June 2, 2007. The show ran from October 6, 2007 to March 29, 2008.

Macross Frontier Deculture Edition was aired on December 23, 2007. The actual series ran from April 3, 2008 to September 25, 2008.

Nuff' said...

Edited November 19, 2009 by Kronnang Dunn