RedWolf Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Speculating: the current threat is terrorism so who knows the next Macross could be about a UN spacy unit on a peace keeping mission to a failed colony. The enemy uses guerilla tactics and older mecha. The idol singer could be a local girl trying to start a singing carreer against the background of a civil war. That's almost the plot of VF-X game. Idols get kidnapped by rebel Zentradi with supped up equipment at an abandoned colony. You go all over the place and in space to find them all. While kicking Zentradi ass. War as a theme has been used again and again. I wouldn't mind a cop genre Macross in the vain of Patlabor. We've seen a glimps of it in Macross Dymamite 7 with Zola Patrol vs pirates/robbers/poachers and arms smugglers. Also add a bit of mystery that will be the series arc focus and leading to the climax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 I believe the Ohnogi Macross novels covered the harsher aspects of the Reconstruction period. Some Zentradi were forced to conform or else. Could you provide some proof for the existence of "Ohnogi Macross novels," please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Could you provide some proof for the existence of "Ohnogi Macross novels," please? Ohnogi was one of the concept writers of SDFM. I believe I read about the account on the Zentradi being oppressed in the novels or short story somewhere in this thread at the time of Frontier episode 12 or 13. http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=45779 We were discussing about Zentradi that didn't fit in. I probably got it wrong but I made a connection to Ohnogi because he's the one who wrote the SDFM scenario and he's a novelist. I haven't exactly heard either his buddies Kawamori and Miyatake having wrote a novel in their career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Ohnogi was one of the concept writers of SDFM. I believe I read about the account on the Zentradi being oppressed in the novels or short story somewhere in this thread at the time of Frontier episode 12 or 13. http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=45779 *tap Tap tap*. DMY. You might want to read the end of that thread on AS and our own mirror thread before you bring up "Ohnogi novels" again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 *tap Tap tap*. DMY. You might want to read the end of that thread on AS and our own mirror thread before you bring up "Ohnogi novels" again. Thank you, Az. I had hoped my "broken record" days were over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Frankly every NMC Macross fleet gets mentioned one time or another except for Macross 3. There are a LOT of fleets that we don't know anything about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 (edited) Thank you, Az. I had hoped my "broken record" days were over... Eternal vigilance, my friend. eternal vigilance. Edited September 22, 2009 by dreamweaver13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone Trooper Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 (edited) How about this... Since it's en vogue to do prequels nowadays...how about a Macross series covering the height of the Protoculture and the Schism War between the Supervision Army and the Zentraedi/Meltrandi? I'd love to see an "origins" story like that. It'd cover a lot of as-of-yet untouched Macross history (or prehistory, as the case may be). Exedol specifically remarks on how their culture had been reawakened after 500,000 years...so a prequel covering the events of how their culture was robbed from them that long ago would be an interesting story to tell... And of course it'd have to include the origins of "Ai Oboete Imasu Ka" and the first person who sang it to tie everything together, or it just wouldn't be a Macross series. Minmay sang it in DYRL, Ranka in Macross F...so there HAD to be an original Protoculture singer/performer who made it so culturally significant to the Zentraedi. I'd love to know about her... Edited September 23, 2009 by Cyclone Trooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 There are a LOT of fleets that we don't know anything about... Yes but fleets with New Macross Class vessels get at least a cameo or mention except for Macross 3. Macross 1 - M7 episode 1 Macross 5 - M7 episode 26 Macross 7 - nuff said Macross 9 - Macross Generation drama Macross 11- English Anticipation manga and MFrontier episode 25 We know Macross 3 exists but we don't know any scrap of information about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 How about this... Since it's en vogue to do prequels nowadays...how about a Macross series covering the height of the Protoculture and the Schism War between the Supervision Army and the Zentraedi/Meltrandi? I'd love to see an "origins" story like that. It'd cover a lot of as-of-yet untouched Macross history (or prehistory, as the case may be). Exedol specifically remarks on how their culture had been reawakened after 500,000 years...so a prequel covering the events of how their culture was robbed from them that long ago would be an interesting story to tell... And of course it'd have to include the origins of "Ai Oboete Imasu Ka" and the first person who sang it to tie everything together, or it just wouldn't be a Macross series. Minmay sang it in DYRL, Ranka in Macross F...so there HAD to be an original Protoculture singer/performer who made it so culturally significant to the Zentraedi. I'd love to know about her... I thought to point of DYRL was that there was NOTHING special or significant about "Ai Oboete Imasuka." As Misa said...it was just something they listened to, a long time ago. Just a normal love song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 (edited) Yes but fleets with New Macross Class vessels get at least a cameo or mention except for Macross 3. Macross 1 - M7 episode 1 Macross 5 - M7 episode 26 Macross 7 - nuff said Macross 9 - Macross Generation drama Macross 11- English Anticipation manga and MFrontier episode 25 We know Macross 3 exists but we don't know any scrap of information about it. There is no evidence to support your hypothesis that there are only odd numbered fleets, stop posting it as though it were fact. Edited September 23, 2009 by Sketch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 There is no evidence to support your hypothesis that there are only odd numbered fleets, stop posting it as though it were fact. This time, I don't think RedWolf is saying that...I think he's just mentioning the fleets of which we're all aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 This time, I don't think RedWolf is saying that...I think he's just mentioning the fleets of which we're all aware. Then I retract my statement. Nothing to see here people On the note of emigration fleets; while Macross 7 and Frontier both did an excellent job of fully fleshing-out their environments, I'd like to see a series that doesn't focus on the emigration efforts. Zola from Dynamite 7 was a breath of fresh air, and knowing Kawamori's vibrant imagination and love of setting design I reckon he could come up with dozens of way-cool backwater planets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDClip Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Then I retract my statement. Nothing to see here people On the note of emigration fleets; while Macross 7 and Frontier both did an excellent job of fully fleshing-out their environments, I'd like to see a series that doesn't focus on the emigration efforts. Zola from Dynamite 7 was a breath of fresh air, and knowing Kawamori's vibrant imagination and love of setting design I reckon he could come up with dozens of way-cool backwater planets. I kinda agree about enough with the emigration fleets for now, but i'd like to see what's going on with earth. Chronologically, flashback was the last time a macross story take place on earth (i dont really consider the last episode of plus 'really' being about earth). See whats happening with the UN gov't. I'd like to have it explained why the NUNS forces have had a decrease in quality since M7. Perhaps the emigration project is slowly bankrupting the capital, thus leading to a decrease in military spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp Durron Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Macross Plus got it completely right. On all levels. The franchise has been almost completely lacking in maturity and intelligence since it came out. THIS. Until Frontier came out, SDFM was the only series I liked, I couldn't even watch more than 3 episodes of M7 (Or M7 Dynamite) due to all the ludicrous happy personry the series seemed to be chock full of. I watched those episodes hoping it would get better, but I should have known from the first episode that there was no way in hell I was ever gonna like it. In my mind, M7 NEVER HAPPENED. And that part in Frontier where Bobby mentions Basara, is due to him coming to the bridge completely blitzed out of his mind off a combination of 2050's equivalent of Prozac and Jack Daniels. I'm in for any new Macross series that doesn't contain any of the ridiculous horses#it that M7 contained as long as the plot is good and the characters are interesting. -Kyp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 (edited) due to all the ludicrous happy personry the series seemed to be chock full of. I find it funny that 4chan is more likely to have a civilized conversation about Macross than Macrossworld.com. edit; also homophobia is soooo 1990's Edited September 23, 2009 by Sketch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zentrandude Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Everyone knows, the next series is going to feature basara on his musical career instead of him trying again to change everyone's mind, this will feature new music such as planet dance.... and also planet dance..... also the pilot episode will be 5 hours of nothing but... planet dance. At certain points of the story it will show that you have to buy more macross products but it wont be the fire valk or any valk from any of the series, it will be products for guitar hero 4 basara edition where the only song it has is... planet dance but it comes with a replica guitar that basara uses. maybe hallmark cards that plays planet dance when you open it. in all of reality, frontier seems to be linked to zero while zero was kinda linked to sdf:m so the next one will some how be linked to frontier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkenstein Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 Id like a Macross series that details the Colonial Star Troopers, or whatever they would be called. Something akin to Starship Troopers (novel) with giant transforming mecha instead. Sort of a counterpart to Macross Plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 in all of reality, frontier seems to be linked to zero while zero was kinda linked to sdf:m so the next one will some how be linked to frontier. I think the link between Frontier and Zero was to boost sales of the Macross Zero BRD set, not that I have a problem with that, the tie-in was pretty well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp Durron Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 (edited) I find it funny that 4chan is more likely to have a civilized conversation about Macross than Macrossworld.com. edit; also homophobia is soooo 1990's Don't like my opinions or the way I word things? The ignore user feature is only a few clicks away. -Kyp Edited September 24, 2009 by Kyp Durron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemaxx Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 I haven't read all of the post here so if this has been mentioned then i am terribly sorry but what if the original SDFM was redone with the higher quality of aimation these days? I've seen multiple series have this treatment done to them so why not update a classic. Just think they could use the squadron markings from DYRL (so skull squad. from SDFM would actually be skull squad.) and there would just be so much good eye candy we can dream....... oh and they could give the squadrons VF-4 update towards the end of the series.....i know its not really historically accurate but would be damn cool!!! now i'm dreaming///// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 All I can say is that Shōji Kawamori will probably do something weird and not expected of him before he does another Macross series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) All I can say is that Shōji Kawamori will probably do something weird and not expected of him before he does another Macross series. Like perhaps something involving Magical Girls who turn into animals...? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycloped...me.php?id=11028 Edited October 4, 2009 by Gubaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeyondTheGrave Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Like perhaps something involving Magical Girls who turn into animals...? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycloped...me.php?id=11028 It fits. He did work on outlaw star the series about a naked chick found in a box that then has to be naked in order to operate an advanced starship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MjrMisaHayase Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 It fits. He did work on outlaw star the series about a naked chick found in a box that then has to be naked in order to operate an advanced starship. Like 'The Terminator' and it's way of time-traveling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rbstr Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) I thought to point of DYRL was that there was NOTHING special or significant about "Ai Oboete Imasuka." As Misa said...it was just something they listened to, a long time ago. Just a normal love song. That and DYRL is a historical drama in series cannon. So Ai Oboete Imasuka isn't a protoculture song to begin with....not that it's hard to hand wave as racial memory or something. Like perhaps something involving Magical Girls who turn into animals...? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encycloped...me.php?id=11028 Or reto-car-robots that play basketball the gods' sport! and save the earth (I assume...things could go horribly wrong at this point I guess..but this ain't a gainax production) Edited October 4, 2009 by Rbstr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 That and DYRL is a historical drama in series cannon. So Ai Oboete Imasuka isn't a protoculture song to begin with....not that it's hard to hand wave as racial memory or something. Well...yeah, but that's just sidestepping Cyclone Trooper's original point. Canon in Macross is overrated anyway, and not terribly helpful. It's good for making timelines, but that's about it. Anyway, how do you know that somewhere between 2012 and 2030, someone DIDN'T find a little sound card for an old Protoculture song...and then they decided to write it in to the "Space War I" movie they were making... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 From where? One of those 17 Protoculture planets found. That we know of... UN Spacy had two missions on two planets classified Top Secret. The Varauta prison planet and the New Asia in the M3 game. Varauta had the Protodevlin , New Asia had a secret UN Spacy bioweapons facility making giant bugs. The setting of an old Protoculture city or one of those mentioned Protoculture bunches (space colonies I think) could be a great setting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 From where? How much of DYRL is supposed to be "fictional"? Are there no Bodolzaa-like fortresses? No Protoculture cities under the sea? We have no idea. I would imagine that a Protoculture city MUST have been found (if we're taking DYRL as "just a movie" and Macross 7 as canon) since the Altira city from DYRL looked awfully similar to the temple on Planet Lux. Either that, or some very old Zentradi could've been keeping it in his pocket all this time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 How much of DYRL is supposed to be "fictional"? Are there no Bodolzaa-like fortresses? No Protoculture cities under the sea? We have no idea. I would imagine that a Protoculture city MUST have been found (if we're taking DYRL as "just a movie" and Macross 7 as canon) since the Altira city from DYRL looked awfully similar to the temple on Planet Lux. Either that, or some very old Zentradi could've been keeping it in his pocket all this time... Gubaba - check out the Ohgnogi Macross novels on this point. His novels clear up this problem of the discrepency between DYRL and SDFM TV pretty well. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Gubaba - check out the Ohgnogi Macross novels on this point. His novels clear up this problem of the discrepency between DYRL and SDFM TV pretty well. Pete I'll have to check those out...know where I can get 'em? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 I'll have to check those out...know where I can get 'em? People don't seem to understand the problem with the Ohnogi novels and why telling Gubaba to look for them is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 People don't seem to understand the problem with the Ohnogi novels and why telling Gubaba to look for them is a REALLY BAD IDEA. Ah, VFTF1 knows they don't exist...he was just joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer Robot Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I would imagine that a Protoculture city MUST have been found (if we're taking DYRL as "just a movie" and Macross 7 as canon) since the Altira city from DYRL looked awfully similar to the temple on Planet Lux. It's explicitly the case that Protoculture cities/relics/ruins have been found, but it's just much less clear whether they've been found on Earth outside of DYRL. If nothing else, the events of Macross Zero being kept classified until the 2050s suggests that no other Protoculture relics were found on Earth, or that they were also kept secret. Or at least, I think there's really less reason why those events would have stayed so secret for so long if Protoculture ruins on earth and a special ancient song were not just uncovered but featured in a major motion picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Anyway, how do you know that somewhere between 2012 and 2030, someone DIDN'T find a little sound card for an old Protoculture song...and then they decided to write it in to the "Space War I" movie they were making... OR maybe when they found the sound card for the song, the powers that be took it as a sign to FINALLY make a film about SW1? Thank god they found that soundcard. otherwise, DYRL wouldn't have been made, and it wouldn't have won 10,000 oscar awards in the 2040s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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