sketchley Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 (edited) http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Bolognese I do check things before I post herein. I notice your site also refers to it as the Bolognese Class. Edited December 21, 2008 by sketchley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 21, 2008 Author Share Posted December 21, 2008 http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Bolognese I do check things before I post herein. I notice your site also refers to it as the Bolognese Class. Lovely. More stuff to add to my holiday-period update list (which already has the other end of MII). BTW, the Goods sheet (highlighting the MF collectible cards) in Chronicle vol. 11 (that would be page 8 of the Goods sheet for those of you who took it apart already) also use "Klan Klang" as her name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 http://macross.anime.net/wiki/Bolognese I do check things before I post herein. I notice your site also refers to it as the Bolognese Class. I say again, when the Macross Compendium designates a "ship class" for a given type of ship, it will say "Class" in the description. Anything that is simply "named" is not a "class". Example: Einstein (without a class designation, same as Bolognese) West Point class (while the ship name is Beginhill) My website specifically refers to the ships as a Stealth Frigates Bolognese (again, "name" not "class"), with the notation "possibly Northampton Class" AND a notation about the class designation in the description. The "Class" field also states "unknown". You have to read carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Ships are (in order of appearance): Macross Quarter ARMD-R ARMD-L Battle Galaxy Battle Frontier and little blurbs on: Uraga (Uraga Class Escort Space Carrier) Maizura (Guantanamo Class Space Carrier) Stealth Cruiser (no class given) Stealth Frigate (Northhampton Class - looks like the Compendium's Bolognese Class is in error.) Kaitosu (Denebu Class) Darufimu (no class given) Island I Island III As the text is significant, as much if not more so than the actual stats blurbs, looks like I'll be dropping the Macross Chronicle translation for the coming week or 2 and working on this. Interesting, do they have new lineart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Great Mechanics.DX7 is out, with a small article on Macross F. In short: ship stats! Yay. Anything on the VFs? I may pass this issue if it's only ships. VFs are my main interest. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanpang Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Ships are (in order of appearance): Macross Quarter ARMD-R ARMD-L Battle Galaxy Battle Frontier and little blurbs on: Uraga (Uraga Class Escort Space Carrier) Maizura (Guantanamo Class Space Carrier) Stealth Cruiser (no class given) Stealth Frigate (Northhampton Class - looks like the Compendium's Bolognese Class is in error.) Kaitosu (Denebu Class) Darufimu (no class given) Island I Island III As the text is significant, as much if not more so than the actual stats blurbs, looks like I'll be dropping the Macross Chronicle translation for the coming week or 2 and working on this. can anyone give me a picture of the cover of the book or the isdn number ? I would like to order with my local kinokuniya book store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) I say again, when the Macross Compendium designates a "ship class" for a given type of ship, it will say "Class" in the description. Anything that is simply "named" is not a "class". Example: Einstein (without a class designation, same as Bolognese) West Point class (while the ship name is Beginhill) My website specifically refers to the ships as a Stealth Frigates Bolognese (again, "name" not "class"), with the notation "possibly Northampton Class" AND a notation about the class designation in the description. The "Class" field also states "unknown". You have to read carefully. Apologies re the current listing of the Stealth Frigate. Your site was offline last night when I checked, and the backup (google searches and MW searches netted the following: Revised Bolognese, Guantanamo and Uraga Class ships (in both Macross Plus and Macross 7 sections) Bolognese Class Stealth Frigate - Forum: Movies and TV Series · Post Preview: #591072 · Replies: 59 · Views: 3,809 Bolognese Class Stealth Frigate (Zentradi Variant) - Forum: Movies and TV Series · Post Preview: #561310 · Replies: 793 · Views: 58,776 Nevertheless, as you previously, and I and a bunch of others are currently making the "mistake", it means that the way the non-class designated ships are written/classified/hot linked on the Compendium lends itself to misinterpretation. It's all the more odd, as all Japanese references to the Northampton Class Stealth Frigate, are simply "Stealth Frigate", and begs the question: why was Bolognese choosen as the representative name/class of the ship, instead of other names, such as Stargazer or even Stealth Frigate? Edited December 24, 2008 by sketchley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 can anyone give me a picture of the cover of the book or the isdn number ? I would like to order with my local kinokuniya book store. Here's the link to the publisher's website, showing the cover image and the ISBN number. Great Mechanics DX 7 Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Anything on the VFs? I may pass this issue if it's only ships. VFs are my main interest. Graham Nothing on VFs. Oh, and re: lineart: all of the images, except for 2, are CG shots. The 2 are of the "tubeliner" and what looks like the central "tubeliner" station at the top of the dome. Yay, M25 subway system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 The booklet that comes with DVD # 5 has a nice color pic of the VF-25F in fighter mode with Super Packs and Fold Booster attached. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanpang Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Here's the link to the publisher's website, showing the cover image and the ISBN number. Great Mechanics DX 7 Graham Thanks Graham Just ordered with Kino ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Valkyrie Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Guys could translate this artical, Kawamori in a recent event. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 *snip* LOL! As long as the Compendium was correct, that was the whole point Anyway, I'm curious where the class designation Northampton originated. Since confirmation in the new series, it's canon, but it's been around for years before Macross Frontier came along (like at steelfalcon). Like the Enemy Battle Suit statistics; they were reprinted in the Macross Plus DVD Remastered booklet, but the statistics had been floating around since the mid 90's. But where did they come from originally? Oh, the mysteries of Macross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 Guys could translate this artical, Kawamori in a recent event. That's from the Tokyo International Film Festival and the article was dated Nov. 21, 2008. Basically talks about his works and his experiences. His travels after finishing the Macross movie (I guess they mean after DYRL?). He visited a US military base, then got culture shocked in China, then Nepal, which influenced Escaflowne, then Borneo for Arjuna, then Amazon and India for Aquarion, an aircraft carrier for Macross Zero. At the end, they mention Basquash and the MF movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) LOL! As long as the Compendium was correct, that was the whole point (...) You know, by putting the word "mistake" in quotation marks, it means that I'm not saying it's a mistake, and only quoting you. (and before you say that the rest of the post contradicts it: it's added to move the conversation forward.) Re: sources - they exist. Unlike some translations (looks at the Compendium), I'm doing my best to include source publications and even page numbers in the citations I make. Bolognese is a prime example. What's the source of the name? This source is the only publication other than the Compendium that I have seen the name. Even then, it's 2nd after Bluenose*. Implying that aside from weight of numbers, it's not as important as other named ships of the class. *The ships listed are not in any alphabetical order, either English or Japanese. Edited December 22, 2008 by sketchley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreillyrel Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) Re: sources - they exist. Unlike some translations (looks at the Compendium), I'm doing my best to include source publications and even page numbers in the citations I make. The issue here seems to be citing sources as canon when they are not, or asserting a source makes statements when it doesn't. Bolognese is a prime example. What's the source of the name? This source is the only publication other than the Compendium that I have seen the name. Uh, Bolognese is the first ship listed by name in 2045 in the first episode of Macross 7 itself. It is referenced again more than once later in the series. Edited December 22, 2008 by oreillyrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) The issue here seems to be citing sources as canon when they are not, or asserting a source makes statements when it doesn't. No, it's not. You're attempting to combine two different issues from two different discussions. The issue herein is citing a source, period. Uh, Bolognese is the first ship listed by name in 2045 in the first episode of Macross 7 itself. It is referenced again more than once later in the series. Ok, thanks. Got an episode number? Edited December 22, 2008 by sketchley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreillyrel Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 No, it's not. You're attempting to combine two different issues from two different discussions. The issue herein is citing a source, period. As Mr March said, this part of this thread originated with a claim that a source says something "in error" when it doesn't. Ok, thanks. Got an episode number? Uh, Bolognese is the first ship listed by name in 2045 in the first episode of Macross 7 itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 22, 2008 Author Share Posted December 22, 2008 Time to break the tension. Super Pack for 1/72 Transformable VF-25F Alto's Unit - February release, 2,100 Yen (inclusive of tax). 1/72 Transformable RVF-25 Luca's Unit - February release, 6,090 Yen (inclusive of tax). More details in the 1/72 model thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Time to break the tension. Super Pack for 1/72 Transformable VF-25F Alto's Unit - February release, 2,100 Yen (inclusive of tax). 1/72 Transformable RVF-25 Luca's Unit - February release, 6,090 Yen (inclusive of tax). More details in the 1/72 model thread. You mean the error? That's okay, false accusations notwithstanding; I didn't take it personally anyway. Is the new picture on the MW main page a 1/72 VF-25? It looks really purty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossCN Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 BD VOL.5 Left TV Right BD EP.11 Luca’s “兄さん？” http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...26459&st=52 Sheryl EP.12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I don't see what you're comparing here. They all look the same to me quality wise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 The difference is not the animation, it's the quality of the image. The Blu-Ray Disc versions are clearly deeper in color with a much sharper image. The animation itself hasn't changed, only the presentation. And it looks really impressive! Thanks kresphy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 The difference is not the animation, it's the quality of the image. The Blu-Ray Disc versions are clearly deeper in color with a much sharper image. The animation itself hasn't changed, only the presentation. And it looks really impressive! Thanks kresphy! ok, well that's what I'm saying. I see NO difference between any of those images. Of course I'm sure those of you who are used to seeing image quality differences can see it but I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Oh. My apologies. Well, perhaps it's time for a new monitor or pair of spectacles? When's your birthday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobi54 Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 ok, well that's what I'm saying. I see NO difference between any of those images. Of course I'm sure those of you who are used to seeing image quality differences can see it but I don't. The difference is clear is some, while more suble in others. The difference is not the animation, it's the quality of the image. The Blu-Ray Disc versions are clearly deeper in color with a much sharper image. The animation itself hasn't changed, only the presentation Not at all, some characters have been completely redrawn, pay close attention to the images from EP12, the difference is night and day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Tobi54 I agree. I think the Ranka picture is a good comparison. The Blu-Ray on the left looks more defined with deeper colors, while the right standard definition looks pale and fuzzy, almost like someone turned on a light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 (edited) Oh. My apologies. Well, perhaps it's time for a new monitor or pair of spectacles? When's your birthday? It was on the 6th of December! S'ok, I had LASIK surgery 7 years ago so it's not my vision that's the problem. I'm just not used to looking at higher quality visuals since I don't own a BR or HD player or TV. Edited December 23, 2008 by MisaForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 23, 2008 Author Share Posted December 23, 2008 There are a few differences. Sheryl actually looks less detailed on the BRD/DVD than in the TV. The other shots are details on Michael and perspective/angle shots. Nanase doesn't tower over Ranka and actually looks a little pushed back. The angle on Ranka and Nanase are also different in a few shots Otherwise, there isn't much of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 Yea, I suppose those too. By the way, I can't seem to figure out how to post thumbnails of pics instead of the whole pic. Can someone help? ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Final Vegeta Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 The Blu-Ray on the left Ehr... Left TV Right BD FV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 23, 2008 Share Posted December 23, 2008 I'm perplexed. With Blu-Ray you're supposed to get more definition and better colors, especially more defined blacks. Contrast/color wise, the pictures on the left look better to me than the pictures on the right. Perhaps it's because both sets of pictures have been reduced down to the same resolution in comparisons posted above (which I suppose totally defeats the purpose of a standard-definition-to-high-definition comparison). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 The problem is that we're looking at screencaptures that have been manipulated to fit on a computer screen sidebyside, displayed on a monitor which may or may not be highviz resolution. From what I can see, some of the shots have been softened up - perhaps to increase the emotional factor of them. The rest, as Azrael said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossCN Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 (edited) I don't see what you're comparing here. They all look the same to me quality wise I edit the pics. BTW, some funny pics and... mArry X'mas~~~~~~~~~ ^^ Edited December 24, 2008 by kresphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Nyahahahahahahaha to the Santa Klan XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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