Vostok 7 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) mr. chogokin, also please remember this is the first time Beagle has ever made anything like this. Mostly they do PVC-type figures. A transforming mecha is a first for them, so really, they wouldn't have the "common sense" to know how to do it right when they are just learning (which is why I compared them to Yamato, the 1/72 Mac+ line was their first attempt at transformable mecha as well). Keeping in mind that this is a first for them, the figure is frakking fantastic (which is why I said that the figure was like if Yamato went right to making the 1/48 valks the first time)! And that's why they are taking suggestions, they want to go from making a fantastic figure, to making an even BETTER figure. Vostok 7 Edited February 1, 2009 by Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Okay please stop comparing Beagle to Yamato... please. If history and their practice of listening to customers for making better products really worked out well for everyone, Yamato has been everywhere and nowhere. And I hope Yamato's involvement with Beagle stops dead at the packaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Stick's wearing off his chicken strips. Try that with your MH or CMs or Gakken! Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Okay please stop comparing Beagle to Yamato... please. If history and their practice of listening to customers for making better products really worked out well for everyone, Yamato has been everywhere and nowhere. And I hope Yamato's involvement with Beagle stops dead at the packaging. I don't understand what you mean. Yamato made the regular Garland. Fans complained about problems with it. They then offered free replacement parts that fixed a number of the problems that fans complained about, and by the time they did the Proto-Garland, they had incorporated those fixes and made additional improvements. New colors which essentially were the same design as the original Garland also incorporated the fixes (unlike Toynami who kept using the same molds for each new color Alpha, despite fan complaints). I would hope that Beagle DOES follow the Yamato approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Oh, I know about the replacement parts offered by Yamato. I also know about the so-called improvements Yamato made for the later runs up till the ProtoGarland... The problem with the replacement parts is the shipping I have to pay to get it. Also, my Army Garland has an inner part in the right arm that is broken out of box which I tried to fix, but end up creating some stress mark because Yamato glued the plastic biceps covering it. The left knee guard on it doesn't work as well as the right knee guard... I can't fix that because of the glued parts also. My Factory Garland's right feet part pops out, and separates completely from the leg during transformation. When I tried to fix it back, I realize that I should tighten the ankle screw a little bit so the pressure will allow the feet part to hold better to the leg... But I can't because when I did, I discovered that the plastic ankle screw hole has worn off and the screw can't grip any tighter. My least problematic ProtoGarland came with a broken handle. And all the replacement parts above need to be paid for since I'm not in the US or Japan. I can't get no satisfaction at all! So yeah, I hope to death that Beagle does not follow Yamato's approach... I don't mention Toynami because my experience with them is limited... although their Voltron is good stuff but if everything as I heard about Toynami is truly crap, mentioning them is pointless. There is a serious need to have a company that guys like Yamato can learn from. If Beagle does become like Yamato, this will be the last product I'll buy from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Oh, I know about the replacement parts offered by Yamato. I also know about the so-called improvements Yamato made for the later runs up till the ProtoGarland... The problem with the replacement parts is the shipping I have to pay to get it. Also, my Army Garland has an inner part in the right arm that is broken out of box which I tried to fix, but end up creating some stress mark because Yamato glued the plastic biceps covering it. The left knee guard on it doesn't work as well as the right knee guard... I can't fix that because of the glued parts also. My Factory Garland's right feet part pops out, and separates completely from the leg during transformation. When I tried to fix it back, I realize that I should tighten the ankle screw a little bit so the pressure will allow the feet part to hold better to the leg... But I can't because when I did, I discovered that the plastic ankle screw hole has worn off and the screw can't grip any tighter. My least problematic ProtoGarland came with a broken handle. And all the replacement parts above need to be paid for since I'm not in the US or Japan. I can't get no satisfaction at all! So yeah, I hope to death that Beagle does not follow Yamato's approach... I don't mention Toynami because my experience with them is limited... although their Voltron is good stuff but if everything as I heard about Toynami is truly crap, mentioning them is pointless. There is a serious need to have a company that guys like Yamato can learn from. If Beagle does become like Yamato, this will be the last product I'll buy from them. You've clearly had much more experience with these products than I have, and some very bad experiences at that. My limited experience with Yamato has led to them replacing my issues promptly and free of charge, including no shipping costs, as I am in the USA. My limited experience with Toynami has consisted of poor designs which were NEVER remedied, nor even ackowledged as genuine issues, with the expectation of me paying pretty ridiculous shipping costs. I am EXTREMELY please with my (limited) dealings with Yamato, but understand why you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well I preordered the Toynami version, but if Beagle is asking for consumer's feedback, we'll probably see an improved Stig re-release sometime soon, which means I'll have to get the Japanese version anyway, since Toynami won't be able to release it stateside, due to the Limited Edition thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well I preordered the Toynami version, but if Beagle is asking for consumer's feedback, we'll probably see an improved Stig re-release sometime soon, which means I'll have to get the Japanese version anyway, since Toynami won't be able to release it stateside, due to the Limited Edition thing. Same here. Still no word on that shipping out ("End of January"), and the Robotech site went down today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat S Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Stick's wearing off his chicken strips. Try that with your MH or CMs or Gakken! Vostok 7 Stick's wearing off the missle launcher housing, and about to blow himself to kingdom come. I had a peg hit the ground like that once on an old GS 550, that was an experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Yeah, I'm unable to appreciate the improvements made by Yamato on its future products because by then my money is already spent. So looks like I got to read up reviews and not preorder so much based on the attractive pictures... and hope that I can still get one when the toy turns out to be really excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Stick's wearing off the missle launcher housing, and about to blow himself to kingdom come. I had a peg hit the ground like that once on an old GS 550, that was an experience I fixed it I just had it that low because it looked cool with him leaned over that much. I moved the stand up one notch so it's a little more "realistic". Unfortunately, the chicken strips on my last bike were pretty big so I never got to enjoy the feeling of dragging a peg Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Well I preordered the Toynami version, but if Beagle is asking for consumer's feedback, we'll probably see an improved Stig re-release sometime soon, which means I'll have to get the Japanese version anyway, since Toynami won't be able to release it stateside, due to the Limited Edition thing. I,m a box collector ,I bought 2 of the Stick(1 which is un-opened mint in box AND shrink wrapped at my own expense) if Beagle re-issues the Stick I hope my original Stick will still be worth something??Theres no way I can afford another re-issue of Stick ,with the other Beagle issues thread ,I am just hoping for a better Ley/Rand figure and tighter bike!! PLEASE BEAGLE ....... don,t force me into a corner to buy another re-issue of Stick I don,t have the strength....I beg you I,ll be GOOD very very good!! I have a wife and 2.2 kids to feed...(I don,t actually ....but if I did ..they,d be dead from starvation and I,d be holding a minty Beagle with a guilty smile on my face) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat S Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I fixed it I just had it that low because it looked cool with him leaned over that much. I moved the stand up one notch so it's a little more "realistic". Unfortunately, the chicken strips on my last bike were pretty big so I never got to enjoy the feeling of dragging a peg Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I definitely would not anticipate a re-release of Stig by Beagle. I have to assume all this info gathering is more for the Ray release and it might as well be since Ray will need some hype. If Ray was just a straight reissue of Stig but with the gun and different figure they probably wouldn't sell that many. If Ray is an improvement that could go a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Yep, Beagle are gathering customer support and feedback to improve their product the way that any good company would. So far there have been relatively few complaints, most are about loose fittings and the fragile stitching of the cloth material - not too sure how they can improve the fittings by the next Rey production run but hopefully they will go with an improved cloth solution... and offer a replacement red one for Stick owners too... up to them. Thanks again Save Rumour I got from a supplier is that Beagle were worried that they wouldn't have enough orders for their first production run, so maybe Toynami actually came through for them/us... So take extra good care of your Beagles, we probably won't be seeing them re-issued. Beagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilermo Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Is that video out yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Thanx Jenius & Tober. Would it be safe to assume that since we,ve seen prototype pictures of the Ley/Rand already that it would be too late for the improvements to be appplied (too Ley/Rand)...and maybe wait until the next production run of whoever that could be?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 It's hard to say but the prototype they were showing was just a Stig toy with the gun swapped on and a new head on the figure. Whether or not they could incorporate changes for the next project depends on when it's supposed to be released. If It's due out by the end of March they could probably only make very minor changes... like a different fabric. If it's not due out until the end of April there might be more hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 It's hard to say but the prototype they were showing was just a Stig toy with the gun swapped on and a new head on the figure. Whether or not they could incorporate changes for the next project depends on when it's supposed to be released. If It's due out by the end of March they could probably only make very minor changes... like a different fabric. If it's not due out until the end of April there might be more hope. Isn't that all most Rand/Ray figures are, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoptimus Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I cant wait to see the Yellow version. Thats what I am waiting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I cant wait to see the Yellow version. Thats what I am waiting for. Indeed, it's all about the Blow Superior Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 Yes! The Blowsuperior is my favorite one also! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Isn't that all most Rand/Ray figures are, anyway? To a point. What I'm saying is they took a preproduction Stig sample and made some changes to it to create a preproduction Ray sample. It's not like they had actually made a dedicated Ray at that point so there's still hope that there will be changes made to make the Ray product superior to the Stig product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 To a point. What I'm saying is they took a preproduction Stig sample and made some changes to it to create a preproduction Ray sample. It's not like they had actually made a dedicated Ray at that point so there's still hope that there will be changes made to make the Ray product superior to the Stig product. I get what you're saying. I suspect that we'll see a Ray that is essentially a Stig come out, but that the changes people are asking for may come to play with the Fuke and Blowsperior. On a different note, I've always thought that the "Blowsperior" name was a Japanese-Engrish-ization of Brough Superior. Anybody have any opinions on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I get what you're saying. I suspect that we'll see a Ray that is essentially a Stig come out, but that the changes people are asking for may come to play with the Fuke and Blowsperior. On a different note, I've always thought that the "Blowsperior" name was a Japanese-Engrish-ization of Brough Superior. Anybody have any opinions on this? Yes, it is a mis-romanization of Brough Superior... and Fuke is actually "Houquet." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I just saw this: Toynami Maia Sterling MPC Alpha recall. Is this old news? I'm tempted to get one if it ends up being any better than the other Toynami Alphas, since they're moving the production to the factory that made the Betas. I know what you'll say:"The problem with the Alphas is the molds, not the factory yadda, yadda." Here's hoping anyway. I don't care for Shadow Chronicles in the slightest, but I do want to see a good Toynami Alpha, since I do like the sculpt and design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I suspect that we'll see a Ray that is essentially a Stig come out, but that the changes people are asking for may come to play with the Fuke and Blowsperior. On a different note, I've always thought that the "Blowsperior" name was a Japanese-Engrish-ization of Brough Superior. Anybody have any opinions on this? What jenius said. And "Stig" is a creative misspelling on ADV's part. His name is supposed to be translated as Stick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 I just saw this: Toynami Maia Sterling MPC Alpha recall. Is this old news? I'm tempted to get one if it ends up being any better than the other Toynami Alphas, since they're moving the production to the factory that made the Betas. I know what you'll say:"The problem with the Alphas is the molds, not the factory yadda, yadda." Here's hoping anyway. I don't care for Shadow Chronicles in the slightest, but I do want to see a good Toynami Alpha, since I do like the sculpt and design. that news is so old my great granpa told me about it... that news is so old it came over the telegraph... that news is so old... well you get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Yes, it is a mis-romanization of Brough Superior... and Fuke is actually "Houquet." Darn... here I thought I had discovered something on my own that maybe other people hadn't realized yet... lol I did know about Fuke being Houquet, but had forgotten. Thanks for the reminded. Do you know the origin of that word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely Soldier Boy Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Damn!. Even when he's being an a$$hole the guy is funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I originally read about it here: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cyc01/gcmFAQ.htm Houquet Eroze? I thought she was named Fuke Eroze? Well, the TV series has it as Houquet and the toys and models have it as Fuke, so which is right? Houquet is a French name and is pronounced approximately "hoo-ke". Japanese is phonetic, and when written in katakana it was converted to "Huke". Unfortunately, the character for "hu" is the same as "fu", and when the toy and model licensee's switched it back to the roman alphabet someone who didn't know it was supposed to be Houquet read the katakana as Fuke and wrote it as such. Most use Houquet when talking about the character and the series and Fuke to describe the Bartley Ride Armor and Zeta-model Legioss Armo-Fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) I originally read about it here: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cyc01/gcmFAQ.htm I've seen that, and I've seen a few places which refer to her as Houquet et Rose ("Houquet" and red). Still curious about the origin, since I'm under the impression that most of these things from MOSPEADA had some sort of origins or were an homage to something or other. Edited February 3, 2009 by RavenHawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woll622 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I've noticed on eBay that a couple stores are listing a ship date of Feb 9th for the Toynami version of the Beagle, and for the Red Beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I've noticed on eBay that a couple stores are listing a ship date of Feb 9th for the Toynami version of the Beagle, and for the Red Beta. That's funny, you replied to my post in the thread on Robotech.com too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woll622 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'd post there more often, but there doesn't seem to be much info coming from RT.com lately and their site keeps crashing. I'm glad we at least have this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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