Save Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) The other thread is not a wish thread... I'm going to start deleting posts that do not belong there.. BY ALL MEANS PLEASE DO. EXO please delete some of the post that do not belong there. I just checked and there are ones about enemy mecha and price cuts. Making new molds for stuff that they have no intention as of now to make, one isn't going to fix any existing problem, asking for a reduced price will not get modification made at all. You think you got it bad, Japanese sites are selling the Toynami beta for near $333. Edited January 30, 2009 by Save Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilermo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Maybe from the bottom of the red spring-like-thing in the central engine section. I'll take another look later. So far i have transformed it 5 times sind then and could not find anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Wow Save, soon you might be able to do us a favor by finding us products in Japan (like Japan-only exclusives) while simultaneously importing Toynami goods to sell over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilermo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Maybe from the bottom of the red spring-like-thing in the central engine section. Thanks Tober, i found it. it did come from the spring-like thing. it can only be glued back on. It does not harm the bike in any way. But the spring could slide off if it wears in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The Beta is selling for $333 in some places in japan? Aw, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilermo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 The Beta is selling for $333 in some places in japan? Aw, man. Th japanese have ebay too, right? you can pick that baby up for about 140 bucks + S&H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 ....Can anyone comment on whether the CM's or Megahouse ride armors are superior to the Beagle in any respect, no matter how small? Well, a lot of it has to do with personal preference. I think all of the Ride Armor toys look great in their own way, but I like the CMs the best due to scale, sculpt and overall look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilermo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) I think the scale makes it the worst, way to small for my taste. Looks like a G.I.Joe with some extra gear. It's not a very sturdy toy. things started breaking off (windshield for example), everything keeps popping out and won't stay in place. A very expancive toy for that size and quality. To me the Beagle is the best so far, folowed by megahouse then CM. Edited January 30, 2009 by gilermo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I think the scale makes it the worst, way to small for my taste. Looks like a G.I.Joe with some extra gear. It's not a very sturdy toy. things started breaking off (windshield for example), everything keeps popping out an d wont stay in place. A very expancive toy for that size and quality. To me the Beagle is the best so far, folowed by megahouse then CM. Can't comment on this too much, since I'm still waiting on my Toynami-Beagle, and don't own a CM or Megahouse (they just don't look right to me somehow, and knowing the Beagle was on its way, I decided to save my money for that), but I bet Yamato would do a nice job of doing a smaller scale MOSPEADA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Can't comment on this too much, since I'm still waiting on my Toynami-Beagle, and don't own a CM or Megahouse (they just don't look right to me somehow, and knowing the Beagle was on its way, I decided to save my money for that), but I bet Yamato would do a nice job of doing a smaller scale MOSPEADA. For the love of Christ no. Yamato might make a great Gashapon but if Mega House and CMs has taught us anything it's that Ride Armors are too complicated to be built in tiny scales unless you're willing to make major concessions. Hell, the Mega House even gave up on trying to make the transformation at all perfect and it's still not a great toy. The CMs and the Mega House absolutely suck in comparison to the Beagle and the Beagle still ain't perfect. There's absolutely nothing Yamato has ever done that leads me to believe they could overcome the issues that CMs and MH failed to overcome. The bright sides are that the MH is cheap and can be banged around a bit and the CMs can be modded well to overcome it's sloppiness (a drop of glue here or there). If the CMs were 1/12 scale I think it would have been really impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Meh, it's actually the tiny scale that impresses me on the CMs. To each their own. I'm just happy we've got lots of choices now to cater to people's different tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 For the love of Christ no. Yamato might make a great Gashapon but if Mega House and CMs has taught us anything it's that Ride Armors are too complicated to be built in tiny scales unless you're willing to make major concessions. Hell, the Mega House even gave up on trying to make the transformation at all perfect and it's still not a great toy. The CMs and the Mega House absolutely suck in comparison to the Beagle and the Beagle still ain't perfect. There's absolutely nothing Yamato has ever done that leads me to believe they could overcome the issues that CMs and MH failed to overcome. The bright sides are that the MH is cheap and can be banged around a bit and the CMs can be modded well to overcome it's sloppiness (a drop of glue here or there). If the CMs were 1/12 scale I think it would have been really impressive. Clearly we have very different opinions about Yamato. Have you had a chance to get your hands on the Metallic Priss and Motoslave from Bubblegum Crisis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Love the CMs... can't stand to look at the Megahouse. I think the head sculpts are their saving grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigkid24 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Th japanese have ebay too, right? you can pick that baby up for about 140 bucks + S&H. actually I thought ebay pulled out of japan because yahoo auctions was kicking its ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 My Beagle arrived today. Looks great. Only issues I see so far is definitely the helmet head is floppy, and I'm kinda disappointed that NOTHING seems to lock together in Bike mode. I probably need more time to fiddle with it, really, but that's about my biggest complaint, everything should really lock together somehow in Bike mode. Like the windscreen flops around, the front arm covers never sit quite right without fiddling, the front end wants to pop apart in all but the best circumstances, the seat and gas tank and tail never sit quite right, and the leg/chain covers want to pop out of the rear wheel. However, it seems that mine "lines up" from front to back when everything is in place, it's just that getting everything in place seems to be a chore. But, I am SUPER picky about stuff so that's probably most of it. When I get some more time (have to go back to work right now), I'll mess around with it some more but right now it feels a little disappointingly fiddly. And to jenius, you said the suspension works? Mine doesn't seem to? I haven't transformed it at all yet. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Aw man, do I have to pull my toy out now to test the suspension? Maybe it just seemed to work because the bike has so much give when you push down on it. Edit, just checked, while it's not like a real suspension by any means, and it doesn't use the spring in the center, both the front wheel and rear wheel move up and return to position when pressed against. Edited January 30, 2009 by jenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rei Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Curious.. is a MH releasing a Hoquet? If so, any pics and eta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Curious.. is a MH releasing a Hoquet? If so, any pics and eta? Supposedly yes. Not yet but there are some shows in Feb where it's expected to debut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechfactory.com Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Fellow Macross Worlders, I have to write this letter to issue my most sincere apolagies about the toy's I have recently purchased over the past 18 months. Now mind you it has only been 4 items, but I am diabled and my income is somewhat limited. So I had to make my choices bassed on the theory "The most bang for the buck". So after reading the coments in this column, and several others I decided on the Mega House Ride Armor and the Beta fighte from "TOON-A" I have t say I have was very pleased with the Megga-House Ride armors (well ecept for the nasty habbit of the wheels falling down in armor mode and the loose forearms in armor mode.) (If anyone out there can clue me in on fixing the problems please let me know.) Now after my issues, however small the may seem to the general public, I must say I was waiting, with some dread in my heart, for the beta to show up, after all I am a diabled vet on a fixed income with 2 kids, money for toys is very low in our household I have to say after opening the box with nervous trembeling fingers, after slowly slicing the tape around the edges of the box, like a nervous schoolboy in the back if the limmo on promnight working the zipper on his dates dress, the waiting, the expectation, the sound of my own heart pounding away in my chest so loud that I was sure everyone must hear the thunderous beat of my heart. Finaly as I workrd the last twist tie free of those arms, that magnificent design, the materials, the obvious quality control that went into this final product. I slowly stripped away the remaining plastic, and as I set it slowly down set this fine example of mechanical enginering down on my drafting table, I knew finaly, after the exorbitant cost of the Yamatos, after the scale being all over the place, first it's 1/60 then its 1/55 then 1/48, now it's back to 1/60. But I knew finaly at last I understood sitting there gazing at that beta fighter I finaly knew what it ment to have a gigantic, proud, imense robot chubby, and I knew it would a last a time much longer than it had it quite some time. This is a magnificent product the quality and skill, scale and subject matter we see so seldome these days. My only regret is that I will experiance this pleasure but once, because just like your first time with your lady there can only be one fist time. My message to you ladies and gentilmen is not to let this experiance pass you by, a toy like this, just like that magic lady comes by but once in life, and seldome returns agan. Mechfactory / The 3rd Cav Tanker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcroRay Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 There's nothing like a truly GIANT giant robot. Toynami's Beta seems to fit that bill nicely. Hope to get one myself this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 One? I already got a second one ordered and on the way! Any reservations I had about getting a second one were quickly removed once I got my first Beta in hand (I just had to get some holiday bills paid first ). That impressive wingspan, the sheer size of the combo fighter, it's a pretty awesome sight. Granted, the Beta does have some flaws, but I'm happy with what we got. Anyways.....back to the Beagle..........It's too bad Toynami didn't just stick with their initial Scott headsculpt. That one actually strikes a nice appropriate balance between the two heads we eventually wound up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Well I've spent a couple hours now with my Beagle and I can really say I am very impressed. The earlier complaint I had actually corrected somewhat when I noticed it had not been transformed correctly in bike mode from the factory. Its quite a bit better now. Finally got the courage up to transform it and it went well. Despite looking complex the transformation seemd pretty easy actually. Mine locks together pretty well in armor mode and looks great. Only real issue with mine is that the windscreen seems a little "tweaked", it looks a little crooked in bike mode and really crooked in armor mode, but for some reason the whole "back/tank" area looks crooked from the top, like one side isn't seated correctly but it was properly transformed so I dunno. Overall I'm pleased, its a great figure. Impressive for a first attempt for Beagle for a complex transforming toy! Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 I just deleted this post from Mr. Chogokin in the other Beagle thread: Crap. I haven't receive my pricey beagle yet and already I see so many requests for improvements. Why do I keep thinking this company is another Yamato in the making. I really hope it's not. The other thread is for actual issues with the toy that makes it not work to it's full potential AS BUILT. Everything else, like saddle bags, aesthetic complaints are not relevant. And posts like the one above that don't have anything to do with the thread will be deleted. Remember it's there to make future releases less troublesome as a toy. You can PM Save as far as things that you wish came with the toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 If anyone has a problem with the wheels lining up (front & back ) in bike mode, I found that the kick stand can prevent the front wheel from locking/lining up . Swivel the kick stand and you,ll see a connection point where the wheel.s white stem base and it are mean,t to fit into eachother!! If there is another problem NOT related to the kickstand/wheels not lining up ,I retract this statment.Hope it helps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I just deleted this post from Mr. Chogokin in the other Beagle thread: The other thread is for actual issues with the toy that makes it not work to it's full potential AS BUILT. Everything else, like saddle bags, aesthetic complaints are not relevant. And posts like the one above that don't have anything to do with the thread will be deleted. Remember it's there to make future releases less troublesome as a toy. You can PM Save as far as things that you wish came with the toy. Okay sorry about that. It's just gives me crazy thoughts to read up that many issues with such an expensive toy; one that I have yet to receive at that. And to ask advice from people who buy these things... outrageous... I mean, who would be the best people to know ways to improve the ride armor inside out, collectors like us or the makers themselves? I bought the Beagle with the confidence that it will succeed the Gakken, but reading those feedbacks in the other thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 Okay sorry about that. It's just gives me crazy thoughts to read up that many issues with such an expensive toy; one that I have yet to receive at that. And to ask advice from people who buy these things... outrageous... I mean, who would be the best people to know ways to improve the ride armor inside out, collectors like us or the makers themselves? I bought the Beagle with the confidence that it will succeed the Gakken, but reading those feedbacks in the other thread... Where would Yamato be if they never took the fans advice? We would still have 1/72 scale valkyries with broken hips, exposed swingbars and partsforming. The people they are trying to sell to are the ones they need to please, so it only makes sense to ask them for advice. I think it's an excellent move on Beagle's part and I applaud them for listening to the consumer to improve their product. So no, I don't think its outrageous to ask the buyers for ideas for improving. Think of all the companies that have never asked for consumer input on products and where they are today And I wouldn't make much of the issues raised in that thread. The toy is excellent as it is, there are just a few minor issues that need to be addressed to make it absolutely perfect. The only MAJOR issues from the thread that actually effect anything are the fact that the helmeted head is too loose when attached to the toy and that the cloth part of the riding suit really sucks. Both are pretty easily remedied even after purchase. If you are expecting another Gakken based on durability, then you should know that those days are long gone. And of course, the accuracy and posability of the Beagle trumps the Gakken in spades. The Beagle toy is to the Gakken what Yamato valkyries are to a Takatoku 1/55 valkryie. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I don't have a lot of Yamato's toys, but I have enough to know that it's one thing to look for advice from your customers for genuine improvement, but on the other hand, it's not putting themselves in the shoes of the customers to anticipate problems, and ultimately sell a well-thought out product that will not waste the customers' time and money. The only thing that deserve applause here is how positive you still are, after buying such an expensive toy with those obvious problems... I hope I can be as positive when I encounter those problems. I'm praying hard that I'm just being paranoid for no reason. lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 It's pretty standard business to ask customers if they're satisfied with the product you've given them and to make changes if they're not. Even fast food companies have cards asking customers to rate their experience and to make notes where they think there should be improvement. The way in which Beagle is asking for feedback shouldn't be any means for criticism. They told a blogger in Japan who they have a relationship with to see if there'd been any common complaints... they didn't make a formal request from random customers to redesign their product for them. The customers are essentially the bosses of these companies... and I know I can do a lot of things at work my bosses can't but I still ask my bosses for feedback on how I could be a better employee. I think you're jinxing yourself Mr. Chogokin. Expect a good toy, a great toy, but not a perfect toy and you should be fine. I can all but guarantee you will think it's easily the best Ride Armor ever made. Hopefully all this feedback will make the Rand/Ray version even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 yeah the Beagle is good..just not $200 dollars good ,and if they address the issues from the other thread it most likely will be. Thank-you very very very much Save and Exo for Beagle,s ear!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Gilermo, great pic of stick inserting the hbt cell in the feul tank...did you manage to get it all the way out? Do you think it would damage the tank if you tried?(Still haven,t worked up the courage to try it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 I don't have a lot of Yamato's toys, but I have enough to know that it's one thing to look for advice from your customers for genuine improvement, but on the other hand, it's not putting themselves in the shoes of the customers to anticipate problems, and ultimately sell a well-thought out product that will not waste the customers' time and money. The only thing that deserve applause here is how positive you still are, after buying such an expensive toy with those obvious problems... I hope I can be as positive when I encounter those problems. I'm praying hard that I'm just being paranoid for no reason. lol! Really really really do yourself a favor and read Jenius' review of the Beagle very well. It's very fair and does a good job pointing out the good points and flaws of the figure without making too much out of the flaws like everyone does in the issues thread. Think of the issues thread as being a "worst case scenario" thing that makes mountains out of the molehills that are some of the issues with the figure, mostly just to bring them to the attention of the makers. Just don't expect the thing to be the next coming of Jesus Christ. It's definitely not. But it's still a very good figure. And I felt that it's worth the asking price, even with the supposed "flaws". Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 Guys don't get me wrong on this but the issues on the other thread deals mainly with tightness of joints, parts that ought to lock properly, cloth material that shouldn't tear or run out of the armor, targeting scope that doesn't fall, smaller box... etc... sound very much like unwanted problems that shouldn't exist with a little common sense, no? What I find outrageous is that, instead doing away with those problems in the first place, they are like asking us on whether we would like to do away with those problems now... after we bought them. Make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynx7725 Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) Guys don't get me wrong on this but the issues on the other thread deals mainly with tightness of joints, parts that ought to lock properly, cloth material that shouldn't tear or run out of the armor, targeting scope that doesn't fall, smaller box... etc... sound very much like unwanted problems that shouldn't exist with a little common sense, no? What I find outrageous is that, instead doing away with those problems in the first place, they are like asking us on whether we would like to do away with those problems now... after we bought them. Make any sense? Makes a lot of sense, actually. The item might be designed with aesthetics more in mind than playability; i.e., it was meant to be posed, occasionally transformed and reposed, but not heavily played with. Some of the issues you mentioned won't be much of a case if the item is used as it is intended and designed/ built for. Of course, once it gets out to the market, some of these assumptions doesn't hold. People play with it more as a toy, harder and harsher than a designer or QC'er might. In such a case, the intent didn't match the usage, so it's a fair shake for the company to ask, and change any assumptions that didn't work out. You might think it's a strange thing to do, but it's something I see very often in IT; users misuse software a lot, abuse sometimes, and designers make a lot of assumptions that usually doesn't pan out right. It's not nice, but it happens, and it's good that the company makes the effort to correct its misplaced assumptions. Edited February 1, 2009 by Lynx7725 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.chogokin Posted February 1, 2009 Share Posted February 1, 2009 (edited) I think you need to appreciate that function and flaw are different issues. The function of the Beagle, I get. The flaws of the Beagle, I don't. It's just as simple as that. Edited February 1, 2009 by mr.chogokin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted February 1, 2009 Author Share Posted February 1, 2009 I dont have it yet, but my guess would be that they are satisfied with their release but is open for improvements. I'm kinda surprised at all the issues listed. Cant wait to see if they will be on my Toynami version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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