magicsp00n Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Yes, I can definitely see some humor there. You'd think they'd at least go for dual badging. The back of the cert probably has Beagle plastered all over it though. It's similar to the MPC Beta. Toynami is lapping up the credit there, and getting it, but it seems that really Aoshima deserves most the kudos. On another note, here's something to consider. Toynami apparently agreed to purchase 3000 of the Beagle (with minor changes) to sell outside of Japan. The Beagle still retails for $280. Imagine what the Beagle would have cost if they didn't have some cost splitting with (and revenue from) Toynami. I think it's quite possible that without the Toynami connection the Beagle would have been dumbed down from what it is now or cost an even more ridiculous amount. Yeah, I can't see that I'm finding anything to be hating on Toynami for here. Even after reading the certificate, they're just talking up the toy. Who knows what the deal was with Beagle? There's a lot involved in these business deals that the consumers don't get told about. I think it's likely that Toynami bankrolled a fair bit of the operation; there's a lot of cases like this in other industries where the product wouldn't have come out without a distributor jumping on board. It happens with independent movies all the time, some big distributor will buy a film and stick their name all over it and the small studio will be thrilled about it because their film couldn't have been made otherwise. Videogames: both Rock Band and Guitar Hero were created by Harmonix, but Activision and EA, the publishers, sure contributed a lot by providing funding and getting the product out on store shelves. Activision and EA are within reason to talk about "their" games being big successes. Just because a Toynami employee didn't come up with the CAD designs doesn't necessarily mean Toynami wasn't a big contributor to getting the Beagle product acutally produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 I dont think Toynami has anything to do with build or quality of the Beagle. The last time we saw Toynami having to do with any sort of hands on we got the Aoshima Legioss. But I am happy that they're distributing the Beagle. The Betas and F&S were close to $100 and the word over there is that the Cyclones will be close to under $150. At that price, if Toynami has anything to do with that then I'm all for it. The Beagle was going to be produced no matter what. They were pretty visible in all the japanese hobby shows even before their CAD came out and it was going to be their launching product for their Robot line, if there is a line. The only difference that Toynami made was probably the price. If you think about it, you can think Bandai. After all, they struck a deal with Bandai first to import their SOC, SIC and Megahouse stuff. So Toynami can afford to make deals with other companies that make Mospeada products. The only company they didnt deal with is CMs... thats probably because the products they produce were too close to the stuff they already had deals with... And I can't imagine Toynami bringing in the CMs Legioss/Beta when it was gonna compete with their own Beta for which they had already owed to the Alphas that they already sold. And the smaller CMs ride armor were too close in price point to have tangent to their Megahouse versions. Like I said before though, as long as they just distribute it, I'll support Toynami, but leaving the whole production to them is just throwing away my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesonme78 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 guys guys, just to check besides the crotch tearing up, anyone else had other problems, for mine, it's just the crotch cloth tearing up, but can be done with sewing.. not much problems.. But other issues? anyone else had other problems ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 guys guys, just to check besides the crotch tearing up, anyone else had other problems, for mine, it's just the crotch cloth tearing up, but can be done with sewing.. not much problems.. But other issues? anyone else had other problems ? the "stump" for lack of better words that locks in underneath the bike and attaches to the display tray which enables you to angle the bike ,is now loose so that it sways from either side in it,s upright position ,finding it hard to keep it in it,s upright position the slightest bump and it sways .And thats only after using it twice!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 guys guys, just to check besides the crotch tearing up, anyone else had other problems, for mine, it's just the crotch cloth tearing up, but can be done with sewing.. not much problems.. But other issues? anyone else had other problems ? The left white piece that connects the bike to the rider chest is beginning to split through the hinge area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecyclone Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 wow no one posted these yet? it was already on the 2nd page of toys daily So, is the Toynami MP Cyclone out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 The credits on the Beagle's box show YACALOG's name. I've seen his site (and am currently emulating his improved Gakken) but don't know much about him. What did he contribute to the Beagle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesonme78 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 hi tober, i believe u mean this right ? i expected this to happen... the moment i see the manual, cause it is very difficult to get the 3 tabs behind to sercure into the back of the chest armour. the white connect is meant to be a accesseries not secure the armour to the bike or vice versa.. i have attached the pics for your reference.. if i am wrong.. pls let me know.. Hi troyness, any pics which i can see? cause maybe i might face the same problem in the future.. hahah.. and it would help all of us to prevent problems from ahppening though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHobo Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Really? I thought those white parts click into those small indentures on Stick's chest. They click in and help hold the armor on to stick. If I'm wrong I stop connecting those pieces then. However I could of sworn I saw in the instructions to lock those into his chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 hi tober, i believe u mean this right ? i expected this to happen... the moment i see the manual, cause it is very difficult to get the 3 tabs behind to sercure into the back of the chest armour. the white connect is meant to be a accesseries not secure the armour to the bike or vice versa.. i have attached the pics for your reference.. if i am wrong.. pls let me know.. Yep, the rider is attached via the 3 tabs at the back. The split is just from moving the piece back and forth during transformation. Transformed it about 4 or 5 times now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Really? I thought those white parts click into those small indentures on Stick's chest. They click in and help hold the armor on to stick. If I'm wrong I stop connecting those pieces then. However I could of sworn I saw in the instructions to lock those into his chest. No, you're right, the back attaches in its way and the white pieces help secure the front of the figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHobo Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 As a quick tip if your inserting the peg from the hip armor into the clear white circular hole on the leg don't force it. As it will cause the white clear plastic to have some stress marks. I put a little too much force on the peg and now the clear plastic hole has a small stress mark on it. No big thing, but be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowyunskinny Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 so now that the Beagle is out and members have them in their possession... Is there an official website for their company listed on the box or the instructions? Please post a link if there is. I'm sure we're all gonna be interested in following any updated news of their current and future products Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 so now that the Beagle is out and members have them in their possession... Is there an official website for their company listed on the box or the instructions? Please post a link if there is. I'm sure we're all gonna be interested in following any updated news of their current and future products Thanks www.beagle-tokyo.com I couldn't find anything there as far as the MOSPEADA goes. Basically they seem to suggest following Yacolog... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 SuperHobo, since Save requested people not gum up his thread, I just wanted to point out something about one of your suggestions: 4. Possibly the flat grey parts could be painted silver? I believe you are speaking of places like the engine? My understanding is most of those flat gray pieces are made of POM which is extremely difficult to paint. Hobbyists have done it, but it takes very specific mixes of paint. If you read Yaco's blog you'll see that he painted those areas silver like you suggest, but if you translate his Japanese, he says it was nearly impossible to get it to work right, and if I understand the crude translation right, he was worried about paint chipping and flaking in the long run. I'm sure Beagle could find an expensive industrial paint that will adhere to POM, but guaranteed it wouldn't be cheap and I don't think we want Beagle upping the price of an already very expensive toy Even Yamato can't put paint applications on their POM parts, and indications show that they probably have a much higher production run of their pieces than Beagle is doing. But I suppose it never hurts to suggest it, eh? Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHobo Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Ahh so those parts are POM. Well if it is incredibly hard to have paint adhere to POM then I'll retract that suggestion, but I stand by the rest of my observations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Ahh so those parts are POM. Well if it is incredibly hard to have paint adhere to POM then I'll retract that suggestion, but I stand by the rest of my observations. One of the good things about the Beagle is that they seem to use a lot of POM. POM is much more durable, but obviously it doesn't "look" as good and of course it can't be painted. But the long term is you get a more durable toy if the use lots of POM on possible high stress areas. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHobo Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I'm glad Beagle used POM in areas a lot of thin areas. The only thing better would of to made it out of metal, but that would make things unstable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesonme78 Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) No, you're right, the back attaches in its way and the white pieces help secure the front of the figure. well jenius, i think he is right also, but then again, with the construction of the white pieces, i figure it acts more like the accesseries then securing the bike to me And Tober, i also have the white stuff coming out as well, so what i did is i took out the white connector, insert the figure in the i put back the white connector, seems easier to put it in properly.. I had taken 2 hrs just to transform this bike.. and it doesn;t resemble any gakken cyclones i ever had.. .. Edited January 29, 2009 by eyesonme78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troyness Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 hi tober, i believe u mean this right ? i expected this to happen... the moment i see the manual, cause it is very difficult to get the 3 tabs behind to sercure into the back of the chest armour. the white connect is meant to be a accesseries not secure the armour to the bike or vice versa.. i have attached the pics for your reference.. if i am wrong.. pls let me know.. Hi troyness, any pics which i can see? cause maybe i might face the same problem in the future.. hahah.. and it would help all of us to prevent problems from ahppening though.. sorry eyesonme78 I don,t have a camera(all my money goes to toys),for the moment it can stay in it,s upright position but if I move the display tray it leans to the right just before the friction of the first "click",at the moment I,m swaying it to the left of it,s upright position(which it tends to aswell..just not as much as it does to the right)and using the kick stand to help keep it in it,s upright position...hope that helps .Damn I,m getting the splitting crotch seam thing to. if any Beagle representitives read these threads ...CHANGE THE DAMN CLOTH.FOR THE LEY/RAND FIGURE I think you,ll find it hard to convince peaple to buy a v2.0 of the Stick or Ley at $200 bucks a piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 There is a Macross World Beagle Ride Armor issues and suggestion thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chowyunskinny Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 www.beagle-tokyo.com awesome, thanks Tober Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted January 29, 2009 Author Share Posted January 29, 2009 The other thread is not a wish thread... I'm going to start deleting posts that do not belong there.. Saddle bags and other accessories people want are not to be listed. Just potential fixes and realistic suggestions of improvements concerning the Stick Ride Armor that can be carried over to future releases. Only list things that came packed with the Stick Ride Armor. Still comments should be more focused on the figure, cycle, and transformation, types or plastic used. I know you guys have listed things in the other mospeada thread but I'm not going to go fishing through all the post to find them. Please from here just post the list of fixes and realistic suggestions of improvements and no more questions or advise. If you have a question PM instead of adding a reply. WILL YOU GUYS PLEASE READ THE REQUEST OF LISTING, HELP ME HELP YOU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomski Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Ahh so those parts are POM. Well if it is incredibly hard to have paint adhere to POM then I'll retract that suggestion, but I stand by the rest of my observations. Everyone keeps crediting POM as a material used , however the box only lists ABS and PVC as materials used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperHobo Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 Really? I could could of sworn I saw POM on the packaging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Yaco says on his blog that it is POM, and he has direct connections with Beagle (heck, he had one of these things months before release, and he's thanked by name in the instruction manual). It sure looks like POM to me. Vostok 7 Edited January 30, 2009 by Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyesonme78 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) guys, some updates and also to keep off from the discussion for a while. enjoy the pics people.. hope u guys dun mind. now i think the mods are quite nice with the weathering, plus the thread starter said he will be collecting his "clothes" soon .. i think if beagle has this sort of paint skills + maintain current QC,+ improved cloth materials or sewing skills i, t be a fantastic piece of poisonous toy that will make our wallets beg for mercy.. But then again, it just makes me realise how much i love this product by beagle.. hahahh Edited January 30, 2009 by eyesonme78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Oh my....looks like Beagle is definitely a CM's and Megahouse killer. Still waiting for mine to ship....Can anyone comment on whether the CM's or Megahouse ride armors are superior to the Beagle in any respect, no matter how small? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Damn. The left leg of my Beagle was went incredibly loose all of a sudden. When I tried to take the the cloth off the under fabric stretched but the red pleather did not so that split right down the side of the torso. Then, when I tried to fix the hip the screwdriver destoyed the head of the screw but managed to make the hip even LOOSER. Now I have a limping Stick whose split his pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Damn. The left leg of my Beagle was went incredibly loose all of a sudden. When I tried to take the the cloth off the under fabric stretched but the red pleather did not so that split right down the side of the torso. Then, when I tried to fix the hip the screwdriver destoyed the head of the screw but managed to make the hip even LOOSER. Now I have a limping Stick whose split his pants. I just saw a commercial with an amazing new pill you can take to fix your limping stick... Sorry, couldn't help it. That really does suck though. Considering how bummed I got when my brand new Garland's leg broke a couple days back, I can only imagine how much more annoying it must be to have that happen to a new Beagle MOSPEADA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vostok 7 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Mine wasn't in the mail today Hopefully tomorrow. Vostok 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 (edited) Holy crap, I just got my Maia Shadow Fighter... it really is as bad as everything you heard. I hadn't even taken it out of the tray when I had sent an email asking if I could return it... it was obviously broken inside the box. I'll do a full write-up at some point in the not-so-distant future. The real bummer was that I was hoping it would have small flaws I could overlook and keep the crappy but rare reject toy... there's no way I'm keeping this thing.\ Edit - On the bright side, Roger, since the trap door for the shoulder array was broken on my Maia right out of the box I can easily demonstrate now how easy it would be to make a shadow fighter toy without having the useless flap in soldier mode. Edited January 30, 2009 by jenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilermo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I was transforming my Beagle ride armor when all of a sudden this little ring fel out from somewhere. I have no idea where it came from. Can anyone help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilermo Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 My digicam broke, so i had to make some pics with my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I was transforming my Beagle ride armor when all of a sudden this little ring fel out from somewhere. I have no idea where it came from. Can anyone help? Maybe from the bottom of the red spring-like-thing in the central engine section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts