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Bandai's got the money to make multiple test shots. If the toy ends up extremely durable and still maintains full articulation, then thats good for me. I don't mind the inaccuracies, just like I didn't give a damn that Yamato's YF-21 ended up slender in battroid mode. I forsee some changes made to the prototypes, I will not be surprised if the landing gear end up looking much better and accurate than we are currently seeing. I don't want to see the extremely long mosquito landing gear that the model has. From different angles they look too long. The rear gears should get more details and fine molding, and the front gear just needs to be a bit taller. Maybe telescoping with a locking mechanism.

Well, I hope you're right. Those rear castor wheels just smack of a temp fix. I think/hope the rear gears will end up being twist outs like the yf-21. With the fold out side panels and the detailed ankle mechanism, space has to be a premium in the leg wells... twist out gears could be just the thing in terms of real estate.

I don't have any hope that there will be any changes to the proportions though. The body has the same proportions as the very first set of preview pics. If they were going to change something, they would have done it by now. Maybe they'll pull a Yamato and just pull the whole thing and come back later with a brand new design.

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I would prefer scratch n sniff stickers personally. Pineapple salad flavored! :lol:

No, no, no, you've got it all wrong.

This is a Frontier kit, not an original SDFM kit. Thus the stickers should be Pinapple cake flavored. :D

(and shouldn't that be scented, noy flavored? You sniff em' not lick em')

Graham

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I always thought the Star Trek kits (like most Trek models IMHO) have the contrast WAY overdone. Happens on diecast model military planes too.

The different shades of grey should be SUBTLY different on most of them. I mean, you can literally be standing next to a 1:1 Super Hornet and not be able to see the demarcation line clearly. But on most models---you could see it in dim lighting from 10 paces away.

Personally I like the overdone shading. I know it’s not realistic, but frankly it looks cool and breaks up what would otherwise be a sea of grey. I’ve always felt that what is visually appealing is better than what’s accurate, and to me the high contrast looks better (just my take on it)

Anyways, the VF-25 doesn’t have any panel shading so it’s not a big deal. And the comparison is more to do with the level of quality and detail that went into the star trek kits, if they did equally good work painting a VF-25 it would be awesome.

And as I’ve said in the past, I’ve had plenty of experience with both decals and stickers (I used to build a lot of models, but I finally had to give it up due to lack of time the excessive stress it caused) and I find decals to be frustrating and stickers to be flat out unattractive. Also I’d like to be able to transform the thing without having to worry about chipping or flaking.

(Speaking of chipping and flaking, what would be less likely to do so, clear coated decals, or paint over raw plastic?)

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I think my standards must be a bit lower than most folks because like VFTF1 a few pages back I am pretty happy with the 1/60th. It isn't entirely one hundred percent accurate to the model but I find myself looking at it and thinking "yeah, that is near enough for horseshoes(or hand grenades)".

There has been only two things stopping me putting in a preorder - one was not knowing whether either of them were coming with any accessories that the other lacks (and it sounds like they don't), and the other is an attack of indecision as to whether I want the Ozma version or the Alto. (Seeing as I can't have both). (Mind you, the reason I can't have both is I want to be absolutely sure that I have the funds available for the Michel version once it hits - ludicrous mecha-scale sniper weapons are definitely a hit with me.)

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Isn't that why the hory froating head invented Gerwalk mode? :-)

Karl

No, but it is what properly proportioned landing gear are for. But then again, nothing else is in proportion on the DX, so why should the landing gears be different? :p

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No, but it is what properly proportioned landing gear are for. But then again, nothing else is in proportion on the DX, so why should the landing gears be different? :p

At least it is demonstrating the virtue of consistency.......

Karl

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fair enough but have you realised that you will not be able to put the gun pod in fighter mode with the gears down with michel ? :p

Assuming that the landing gears will be exactly as the prototypes show it as. And assuming that Michel's Valk will have the same gears. Who knows. Maybe the gears will be the right length when finalized. Or maybe the gunpod will be craftily made to fit underneath. Or maybe when Bandai gets to Michel's 25, they realize they have to go back to the drawing boards.

Awacs, if I were you, I'd wait for the DX Michel version to come out since that one is confirmed as coming with fast packs. Not to mention, if there are any defects to the first DX Alto, those issues may be solved by the time Bandai gets to Michel's 25.

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But there is no guarantee that they will come out with michael. Especially if not enough people buy the first run of Alto and Ozma. If those are bombs then they are likely to drop the line and stick with the already successful snap kits.

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makes to no sense to do 'temp' landing gear and put high quality pics of it on the internet...

True, but if Shin can hold out hope that there will be a miraculous zero hour redo of the wonky proportions that fixes the porn crotch, the overly wide chest, the elongated shoulder assembly, the giant gaps in fighter mode and the incorrect leg position in fighter mode, then I can hold out hope for a zero hour landing gear fix while they're at it.

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Give the DX team a break! :)

I got the kit today and it made me think. The DX team has a much harder task than the kit team. Both teams of course try to make their product as good looking as possible, but the DX team has two serious limitations.

1) It has to be durable: A good looking toy won't sell if people know it breaks. The kit uses loads of joints to get the parts into place. It looks good, but it also makes it is very breakable. For a kit this is acceptable as you are not supposed to play with it (very much). For a toy this is unacceptable. The DX team probably uses a simplified system to make it more sturdy. But this simplified system also gives it less desirable proportions in the other modes. It is a simple trade-off.

2) It has to be easy to assemble: I've just spent a good few hours assembling the kit. And I am still not done yet. For a kit this is no problem, but for a toy this would be unthinkable. The production costs would be too high. Again this leads to a more simplified design for the toy.

So, give the DX team a break. No, I am not affiliated with them. Just don't compare a toy to a kit simply by its looks. I know everyone wants the toy to look as good as possible, but if it is not durable or if it is too expensive then not even you would want it.

-just my two cents-

-or perhaps I left the glue jar open for too long- ^_^

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DX team has no excuse for us to cut them any slack. Bandai has been in the business for a long time, they have teams that have made mecha for a long time, and they have had teams that have made transforming mecha.

Bandai has produced toys with smaller joints and thinner looking limbs that have been durable (Saint Cloth Myth line for example). Model kits are made of a less durable plastic anyway, and the 1/60 is going to have metal parts as well. According to Bandai fanboys in the past, Bandai were supposed to be able to put out something that would not only kick Yamato's ass in terms of looks, but also be super durable with no QC problems. From what I've seen of other Bandai stuff, I know they have the ability to make a good VF-25. They're either:

A) Not trying.

or

B) Purposefully making the 1/60 this way to cut costs on development or because marketing believes that funky-chunky=looks robust=will sell better.

For the price point the 1/60 is going at, it's similar to the price point of Yamato's VF-1 V2. And Yamato is a smaller company that puts out valkyries with LOTS of parts to be assembled. I don't buy the easy to assemble bit. Especially with the power that Bandai has. If that is the case, then like many people worried about, Bandai cheaped out on us.

I'm still hoping Bandai will miraculously solve all the proportion problems, have transparent plastic nose sensors, and have some good landing gear. But I sure as hell am not holding my breath on it.

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Have you seen the new pre-order pics for the vf-25's on Bigbadtoystore? Are those pics of the toy or the model?

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out

Ozma version photo they have is definitely the model, I think someone had posted the exact same pic on the 1/72 model thread. Now... the Alto one, I'm not so sure. it has the beefier look of the 1/60 DX, but it could just be my eyes playing tricks on me. In all likelihood the folks at big bad toy store probably made an error here.

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Have you seen the new pre-order pics for the vf-25's on Bigbadtoystore? Are those pics of the toy or the model?

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product...amp;picture=out

the alto is a picture of the model, but it's not transfromed right. the legs are sitting too high so it looks shitty like the 1/60, but if you look closely you can see swing arms that can lower the legs, which means it's the model.

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For the price point the 1/60 is going at, it's similar to the price point of Yamato's VF-1 V2. And Yamato is a smaller company that puts out valkyries with LOTS of parts to be assembled. I don't buy the easy to assemble bit. Especially with the power that Bandai has. If that is the case, then like many people worried about, Bandai cheaped out on us.

Its a similar price point, but the VF-25 is in the same size class as the YF-21, YF-19, VF-0, et al.

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the alto is a picture of the model, but it's not transfromed right. the legs are sitting too high so it looks shitty like the 1/60, but if you look closely you can see swing arms that can lower the legs, which means it's the model.

Considering those are the model pictures mistransformed I'm wondering if those awkward hip placements have been like the DX where the hips are just mistransformed. We know the hips can be positioned much lower on the model. Yes its a long shot, but it would be nice for bandai to pull a miracle. I still have faith, but patience is running thin.

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Its a similar price point, but the VF-25 is in the same size class as the YF-21, YF-19, VF-0, et al.

Ah, but like the VF-1 the VF-25 has a lot of color schemes that can be produced to milk the mold. Not as many as with the VF-1, but still a fair amount: Alto, Ozma, Michel, Lucca, Cannon Fodder, M-zero stand in, Sheryl scheme (All that VF), Ranka scheme (All that VF), and 25th Anniversary (All that VF). Being much larger of a company, I think the cost of materials would be negligible for Bandai concerning the size of the VF-25.

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Considering those are the model pictures mistransformed I'm wondering if those awkward hip placements have been like the DX where the hips are just mistransformed. We know the hips can be positioned much lower on the model. Yes its a long shot, but it would be nice for bandai to pull a miracle. I still have faith, but patience is running thin.

There’s almost no chance the hips will be fixed unless they completely redesign the crotch. As it is there's no way for it to be miss transformed. The model has clearly visible swing arms; the DX has pegs that stick strait out form the crotch piece, no way for it to swing.

Ah, but like the VF-1 the VF-25 has a lot of color schemes that can be produced to milk the mold. Not as many as with the VF-1, but still a fair amount: Alto, Ozma, Michel, Lucca, Cannon Fodder, M-zero stand in, Sheryl scheme (All that VF), Ranka scheme (All that VF), and 25th Anniversary (All that VF). Being much larger of a company, I think the cost of materials would be negligible for Bandai concerning the size of the VF-25.

Really? what would those look like, I would love to see those. (were would you get all that VF, by the way)

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Gundam gundam gundam gundam gundam... macross? what? GUNDAM. G U N D A M. someone drag that pic back up.

eh? please stay on topic. this thread is about the bandai 1/60 DX VF-25, not gundam [/graham]

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