Morpheus Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 The biggest mystery is: Why the hell the 113th Zentran Marine never realized the Macross-4 Global was sitting in their backyard? They've must be really lazy or to busy eating the 7 seven colored carrot. I wonder if the Big Zam type Vajra will appear to challenge to Konig Monster.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 No no, he's right. Brera moves the Valk through the harmonica. He even shouts "Listen to my harmonica" when he flights into battle, we just haven't seen it yet. Dynamite! lol Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 He's probably on the floor with a smile on his face. twitching. Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 The biggest mystery is: Why the hell the 113th Zentran Marine never realized the Macross-4 Global was sitting in their backyard? They've must be really lazy or to busy eating the 7 seven colored carrot. I wonder if the Big Zam type Vajra will appear to challenge to Konig Monster.... As Alto said exploration was sabotaged. Temjin despite his Zentradi superiority manifesto still got help and info from a miclone. Even if she is a cyborg. Temjin said to his trrops there is something on the planet that would benefit their cause. So he may have an idea that the Global is there but have no idea what's within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN_MARINE Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 awesome episode! i woulda nuked the site from orbit... just to be sure so our 3rd faction wants a civil war and a war with the vajra? pretty exciting stuff. is LAI the 3rd faction ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grss1982 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) preview: at last, VF171 battroid in action http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?act=...st&id=55334 finally, VF171 registers a confirmed kill http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?act=...st&id=55335 that head looks cool, perhaps even cooler than ozma's http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?act=...st&id=55336 alto in armored packs! i wonder if he got an S or still vanilla25 http://macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?act=...st&id=55337 YES!!!! VF-25 with Armored Pack in Alto Color Scheme. The Armored VF-25 Looks Read BADASS: http://i30.tinypic.com/23kf6ux.jpg Its probably just the vanilla VF-25. BTW, is the VF-171 the one with the dual head lasers or the one of the quad head lasers? twitching. Taksraven With the pictures above, Graham must need new pants by now. Edited July 5, 2008 by grss1982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) awesome episode! i woulda nuked the site from orbit... just to be sure so our 3rd faction wants a civil war and a war with the vajra? pretty exciting stuff. is LAI the 3rd faction ? LAI is owned by Luca's family so I don't think so. More like Leon and LAI are considered pawns by Grace much like Temjin. We still don't know where SMS owner Mr. Viller (Birla?) stands in all of this. Though I get the feeling of Sharon Apple all over again. AI revolution having all of the Protoculture's children and legacy destroying each other. Edited July 5, 2008 by RedWolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grss1982 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 This SCREAMS of a Macross Zero Reference: http://i27.tinypic.com/zmzl93.jpg IIRC, there is a similar still shot of Roy's VF-0S reaching out for his gunpod. Don't remember, which episode though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 This SCREAMS of a Macross Zero Reference: http://i27.tinypic.com/zmzl93.jpg IIRC, there is a similar still shot of Roy's VF-0S reaching out for his gunpod. Don't remember, which episode though. The start of episode 4 when is refueling plane is shot down and he has to try to catch his gunpod. Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isamu Starkiller Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 The creature that Ranka and Alto saw in the bushes looked very similar to Ranka's Carby back on the Frontier. And it looks like Nanase is over feeding it too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 That annoyed me a bit as well. It felt as if the animators got a bit lazy (should've at least made Alto look as if he were actively doing something). Still, I wonder though how much a disadvantage not having Super Packs was for the 25, seeing as Alto actually took off Brera's leg in episode 9. Would having Super Packs be advantageous in an atmosphere? It would increase the straight line speed but more than a clean 27? And wouldn´t it increase the mass of the 25 and reduce agility? I would think that having a clean plane is better in atmosphere. Alto probably forgot ¨never fly level for more than 30 seconds¨. Even when he escaped he was flying straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 The creature that Ranka and Alto saw in the bushes looked very similar to Ranka's Carby back on the Frontier. And it looks like Nanase is over feeding it too! Thats ok, as long as she doesn't feed it after midnight. Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isamu Starkiller Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Would having Super Packs be advantageous in an atmosphere? It would increase the straight line speed but more than a clean 27? And wouldn´t it increase the mass of the 25 and reduce agility? I would think that having a clean plane is better in atmosphere. Alto probably forgot ¨never fly level for more than 30 seconds¨. Even when he escaped he was flying straight. He hasn't escaped yet... One of two things are bound to happen, Alto will use Mikhails fold booster pack or the Dimention eater will receed and Gallia 4 will explode ala Alderaan and Alto will be dodging chunks of Gallia 4 as he escapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isamu Starkiller Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Thats ok, as long as she doesn't feed it after midnight. Taksraven Have we just renamed Carby Gizmo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron5864 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Did anyone noticed if the shuttle that took Sheryl in the beginning left before the purple bomb went off? It did not look like it was on the runway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 He hasn't escaped yet... One of two things are bound to happen, Alto will use Mikhails fold booster pack or the Dimention eater will receed and Gallia 4 will explode ala Alderaan and Alto will be dodging chunks of Gallia 4 as he escapes. I meant when Brera was called off by Grace, Alto scuttled off straight and level. Now I have a image of him quietly soiling himself trying to put on the LAI fold booster before the blast hits him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 You deserve this.... The slapping is overrated really, you could have gotten Klan to step on me or something. I think that would have hurt more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameSt11 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 GAR Alto? RankaxAlto relations? Good animation and sizable fighting? This episode is almost as good as ep 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) The rest of this I'm not as sure about, since I'm relying on the first sub, but it seems like Grace is acting to try and spark a civil war between Zentradi and humans by setting off the bomb. That seems like a pretty interesting development, if it bears out. What faction would have it in their self-interest to spark such a conflict? The other thing the sub mentions that I found interesting is something about the Vajra following the path of the fold communications. Perhaps the Vajra are attracted to these somehow? Perhaps as a consequence of the mysterious purple crystals they seem to have assimilated? On a final note, it seems pretty certain Grace survives, because she asks Brera to wait for further orders from her, right before setting off the bomb. She doesn't seem to be committing suicide, or just trying to spare his feelings. She's entirely in control of the situation. Actually it seems more like a war between the NUN and the VAJRA... Brera's primary mission was to assault the hive thus causing a hostile reaction from the queen. Capturing Ranka was his secondary mission objective. The VAJRA will be very probably blamed for Grace's destruction of the 33th. And nope, if Grace was truly in control, Sheryl would be dead... Edited July 5, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandy Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 My first reaction? Hoooooly poo MUST HAVE NEXT EPISODE NAO! Oh and Ranka ftw ^o^ Go save her Alto! I know you didn't die >.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info600 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Anyone else notice the third source of thrust in the VF-25 gerwalk mode? engines *2, check; APU? ...check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_WOZ Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 That's the backpack, just like the VF-1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3v Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Would having Super Packs be advantageous in an atmosphere? It would increase the straight line speed but more than a clean 27? And wouldn´t it increase the mass of the 25 and reduce agility? I would think that having a clean plane is better in atmosphere. Alto probably forgot ¨never fly level for more than 30 seconds¨. Even when he escaped he was flying straight. But the Super Pack should add alot of speed and firepower, something he seemd to use quite well in their earlier fight in episode 9. What I'm wondering now is if the Vf-25 is at a disadvantage in an atmospheric environment simply because it can't use its FAST packs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HMP_Goose Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 I thought the point of a FAST pack was to add thrust in a vacuum only . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
info600 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) But the Super Pack should add alot of speed and firepower, something he seemd to use quite well in their earlier fight in episode 9. What I'm wondering now is if the Vf-25 is at a disadvantage in an atmospheric environment simply because it can't use its FAST packs. ever heard of the phrase "speed is life"? but more likely it's just the multiple distractions that Alto can throw @ Brera... btw: the armor packs can also do speed boosts, but the only reason that Ozma didn't discard it was the fact that the armor pack has more metal...(it must be) Edited July 5, 2008 by info600 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted July 5, 2008 Author Share Posted July 5, 2008 That's the backpack, just like the VF-1 If you notice on the lineart (top left), there appears to be a set of nozzles pointing to the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_WOZ Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 I see, then... "It's the backpack, just like the YF-19" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 But the Super Pack should add alot of speed and firepower, something he seemd to use quite well in their earlier fight in episode 9. What I'm wondering now is if the Vf-25 is at a disadvantage in an atmospheric environment simply because it can't use its FAST packs. The 27 seems to do fine in vacuum and atmosphere without FAST packs. And I can´t recall seeing a 25 using super packs in a atmosphere even Gilliam ditched his super pack before entering island 1. Perhaps a valk that relies on FAST packs too much can become vulnerable. I´m thinking the YF-19 or YF-21 would be less vulnerable in most situations because they rely less on FAST. Its probably just me but I would prefer a valk which is so good it doesn´t need FAST packs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) Actually it seems more like a war between the NUN and the VAJRA... Brera's primary mission was to assault the hive thus causing a hostile reaction from the queen. Capturing Ranka was his secondary mission objective. The VAJRA will be very probably blamed for Grace's destruction of the 33th. I think Grace wanted to cause bad relations between Frontier and the other fleets as well. There was a line from Cathy waaaaaaaay back in the very first episode about the possibility of a diplomatic disaster if anything were to happen to Sheryl. And 12 episodes later, it looks like we almost saw that come to pass. Frontier would be blamed for carelessly putting Sheryl in a dangerous position so that Frontier could acheive some minor benefit. The 27 seems to do fine in vacuum and atmosphere without FAST packs. And I can´t recall seeing a 25 using super packs in a atmosphere even Gilliam ditched his super pack before entering island 1. iirc Gilliam ditched his pack so that he could squeeze through the already shrinking opening that the Vajra blew in the dome. So I don't know if we can yet authoritatively say that Super Packs can't be used in an atmosphere. At the very least, a VF-25 ought to be able to operate with the packs in an atmosphere while in GERWALK mode. Edited July 5, 2008 by junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grss1982 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Wait I just realized something if valks sensors and Zentraedi ship sensors are affected by the jamming why wasn't the following listed below not affected? == Grace's cyborg body == VF-27 == Ex-Gear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoNameSt11 Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 Wait I just realized something if valks sensors and Zentraedi ship sensors are affected by the jamming why wasn't the following listed below not affected? == Grace's cyborg body == VF-27 == Ex-Gear Well Alto said it was only the Guidance system that were being knocked offline, and flying without knowing your positioning is pretty dangerous. Grace's cyborg body wouldn't rely on the same instruments to fly an aircraft. I imagine Ex-Gear is similar since it's mostly an exoskeleton and wouldn't require those utilities to work. As for the VF-27....¿Yo no se? Brera's whole cockpit setup isn't traditional since it's all hollowgraphicy so it might not need those readings? I'm just throwing something out there though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 (edited) The biggest mystery is: Why the hell the 113th Zentran Marine never realized the Macross-4 Global was sitting in their backyard? They've must be really lazy or to busy eating the 7 seven colored carrot. Or it was a wreck and since they have little affinity for repair, it was useless to them and/or had already been gutted for all useful materials. It is also entirely possible that is where they got the Reaction missiles from. I doubt NUNS would supply a remote Zentreadi outpost with dozens of reaction weapons... Edited July 5, 2008 by Zinjo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badboy00z Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 The creature that Ranka and Alto saw in the bushes looked very similar to Ranka's Carby back on the Frontier. And it looks like Nanase is over feeding it too! It did look similar but that one had legs like the big vajra and it had the BFG looking spike thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkrealmbahamut Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 It did look similar but that one had legs like the big vajra and it had the BFG looking spike thing. Could be the difference between defensive mode so to speak and relaxed. The lil pink tentacles creep me out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isamu Starkiller Posted July 5, 2008 Share Posted July 5, 2008 I'm surprised no one questioned why Grace, a cyborg, needed to wear glasses! If my wife went from blind as a bat to 20/20 with lasik in 2007 why can't cyborg's in 205X have perfect vision! Or is it all part of a well thought out disguise to divert suspision.... Let this be a warning, keep an eye on those female librarians, they could be evil cyborgs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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