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Episode 12  

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  1. 1. Episode 12 Rating

    • Positive (Zentradi! Deculture!)
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    • Negative (Pixie Squad is the only Zentradi-love I need)
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Aw, how lame! Sheryl goes through all the trouble of setting up this awesome present for Alto and then he

takes some other girl out for the flight!?!?

Man, people we're saying in the episode 11 thread that he was less of a d-bag than Hikaru, but I think that single handedly beats out anything Hikaru did. How, 'bout taking care of the girl that brought you here!?!?

Seeing Ranka take the lead both professionally and romantically and seeing Sheryl's frustration,

I can't help but wonder if Sheryl will go the way of Asuka Langley in a self-destructive downward spiral. I don't think Frontier is that type of show, and I hope that Sheryl puts up a good fight after she recovers.

It's been mentioned in the news threads when discussing episode titles/teaser summaries,

Ranka and Alto crashing and finding the WTF-1 really sounds like Hikaru and Misa finding the protoculture ruins in DYRL now that we know what they find.

I'm glad people still think it's a good idea 15 years later to

strap a bunch of giant speakers onto a Valkyrie and go singing into combat. That was quite awesome, although I still think Ranka's outfit

looks too much like Sandra Bullock's water glass talent outfit in Miss Congeniality. She's also still too Moe for me.

The fight between

Alto and the rebel leader

was just a giant blue-baller for me. It started out with so much potential to be a good dogfight but fell so flat. We're 12 episodes in and I've yet to see one that holds a candle to any of the Macross Plus ones. Possibly the simulated fight in Episode 4, and maybe the Alto vs. Brera in Episode 9, but come on. I want one good one! The finishing move was quite excellent though, I liked seeing

Alto get his hands dirty with the prog knife.

Finally, I am scared to death of fly by wire aircraft and this episode only further reinforced how much I don't want to pilot one, especially a helicopter.

Oh, and not that I'm a fan of discussing the previews but

Luca and what's his name with the hair meeting in his office? Is our mild mannered schoolboy an unwitting agent of the enemy? Or is it just a simple sales call for LAI

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Seeing Ranka take the lead both professionally and romantically and seeing Sheryl's frustration,

I can't help but wonder if Sheryl will go the way of Asuka Langley in a self-destructive downward spiral. I don't think Frontier is that type of show, and I hope that Sheryl puts up a good fight after she recovers.

I was starting to wonder the same thing.

Considering that Sheryl was one up because not only did she fail to use her music to sway the Zentradi cause she was sick, but then her "student" surpassed the teacher. On that note... is that the Megaroads!?

So many questions now and a sub will help with my limited Japanese. Man I can't wait til next week!

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The fight between

Alto and the rebel leader

was just a giant blue-baller for me. It started out with so much potential to be a good dogfight but fell so flat. We're 12 episodes in and I've yet to see one that holds a candle to any of the Macross Plus ones. Possibly the simulated fight in Episode 4, and maybe the Alto vs. Brera in Episode 9, but come on. I want one good one! The finishing move was quite excellent though, I liked seeing

Alto get his hands dirty with the prog knife.

Judging by the preview, it looks like you will get your wish, as the fight between Alto and Brera looks to be pretty sweet.

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Oh, and not that I'm a fan of discussing the previews but

Luca and what's his name with the hair meeting in his office? Is our mild mannered schoolboy an unwitting agent of the enemy? Or is it just a simple sales call for LAI

He probably called Luca in to discuss the usage of the prototype fold booster. After all, Luca did say that if they get it right then it would make it so that they can fold across the galaxy in two or even one jump. The new booster probably put a big damper on their plans.

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That is not a Megaroad class ship. If you watch previous episode openings, they show the Megaroad 01 taking off from earth. It has a hollowed out transparent front section that would have been the macross cannon on the original. You can also check out an image of the design on the Macross Mecha Manual. What we see in this episode looks like the Macross.

I doubt that it was a prop used in the filming of DYRL, simply because I don't think it would be abandoned to rot like that. If anything it would have been used as some kind of tourist attraction or something like that post filming. Besides even films in the future have a budget. Why build a full-size warship when you could use models or state of the art CG or both?

As for the use of the Q-rea, I'd rather use a Q-rea or Q-rau than the Nos-G, regault, or glaug if I had one available.

In the end, HOLY $H1T. :o What an episode.

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Tortal 7 Days (Engrish) :p

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Major Ogotai

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Temjin loves ninjin yeah! Seven-colored ninjin didn't look like it was popular :p

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Sissy Temjin in his Q-Rea (note the size)

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2000m ship?

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some girl-on-girl action :lol::p

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Nanase surprised by Ranka's... furry thingy... :ph34r:

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seems like the jettisoned fast packs 'stick' together differently?

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2285/sn...27083916cd6.jpg (Alto's)

http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/356/sna...27091447af5.jpg (Michel's)

LAI's new fold booster (still in development)

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double seats at the push of a button :ph34r:

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Ranka (Starry) Attack!

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Mysterious monster? is it the same one in next ep's? looks like it has a huge base/bottom... and did this things hatch from those egg-like stuff?

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What ships in the background?!

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Leon doing some manicure while Luca trying out salesman. Luca doesn't look v successful there :p

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Eyecatch

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Some random pic

Interesting,

Looking at the pic:

- The rogue zentran captured several reaction warheads and attached it to thie Q-reas

- At the preview episode, looks like at one time the SDF-1 was resurected and led a fleet, notice the Guantanamo class and other unknown class ship at the pic.

- The SDF-1 would be disappeared when its leading the fleet (maybe it fold drives went berserk again, this time taking the whole ship with it)

- Since the capital of NUNS (SDF-1) is gone, that may explain the new structure of NUNS with Howard Glass as the president

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Ok, I had a class to attend this morning in addition to an exam, so I couldn't watch this episode earlier. Then there were thunderstorms all day keeping me from using my computer until they finally lifted. I have since gotten through the 6 pages here, downloaded and watched ep. 12. Now the first think I need to say is.....

WTF!!?? (I have read everything in this thread now so I know I had to say it).

It's the frakking Macross!!! I never expected the Macross to show up on not-Earth. My head is swimming with ideas of what could explain this but I don't think I can. This is something that I think only waiting until next week will do for me. However I love reading speculation.

On the other hand I thought this episode was really well done. I find the Fast pack storage system intriguing. Also I kind of liked the way Ranka came along and tamed the Zentradi. Sometimes the power of music (not magic) is a good thing (I've said I don't care for Mac7 that much but I think they did this well in this ep). I have so many things I could say now but I has all pretty much been said and this episode was so astonishing I don't know how much more I can really say anyway.

Good Episode.

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Aw, how lame! Sheryl goes through all the trouble of setting up this awesome present for Alto and then he

takes some other girl out for the flight!?!?

Man, people we're saying in the episode 11 thread that he was less of a d-bag than Hikaru, but I think that single handedly beats out anything Hikaru did. How, 'bout taking care of the girl that brought you here!?!?

Actually, if I understand correctly, Alto is initially hesitant to go, but Michael tells him that Ranka's come all the way for his sake, and that he should think of her feelings. Besides, Alto clearly recognized what Sheryl was going through for his sake when he was at her bedside. So I don't think that he's ungrateful. If anything, this is why Sheryl needs to get herself a support network. With Michael on tactics and Nanase and Luca on intel, you could pair pretty much anyone with Alto.

:lol:

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I'm starting to wonder if a second Macross class ship was made and that isn't the SDF-1 we all know and love. I know the original SDF-2 became Megaroad-01 but maybe for reasons known only to themselves the UNS.. or NUNS depending on when this happened built another ship in this configuration... only to have it lost and end up crashed on Gallia 4 for some reason. Those are definitely Guantanamo's and others in the background during the preview.

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This episode was sooo good that it brought tears to my eyes..TEARS!! This was 100 percent old school macross goodness that I have been waiting on since Macross 2! While I am sure that was not Breeti, Exedore, and Kyron (sorry for the Robotech names) it was still good to see them no matter how the writers explain them being there! Also the appearence of the SDF-1 at the end, plus the DRYL song playing with original Macross ending (except the VF 27 instead of Hikaru's fan jet)

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This episode was sooo good that it brought tears to my eyes..TEARS!! This was 100 percent old school macross goodness that I have been waiting on since Macross 2! While I am sure that was not Breeti, Exedore, and Kyron (sorry for the Robotech names) it was still good to see them no matter how the writers explain them being there! Also the appearence of the SDF-1 at the end, plus the DRYL song playing with original Macross ending (except the VF 27 instead of Hikaru's fan jet)

made this episode my all time favorite!! Ranka is so hot, she makes the Zentradis' nose bleed!! I glad to see Ranka save the day, and Sheryl take a back seat for a change. I've never liked her and probably won't, although having her fall ill does change my attitude toward her (a little). ^_^

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I voted Negative for this episode.

That "ATTACK" was too much for me. The Ending almost redeem the episode though.

That Macross ship is probably ANOTHER Supervision Army's ship that crashed due to the same stuff that disable Alto's plane.

Probably related to the same technology salvaged/rooted from the day of ASS-1

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Did the Zentradi fighting

remind anyone else of the old GI Joe cartoons. One side had red lasers, one side had blue lasers and no one got hurt?

And thanks to those folks who provided some insight on the dialogue. I'm glad to hear that Alto was being somewhat considerate rather than completely selfish. I'll retract my statement about him pulling a Hikaru.

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I voted Negative for this episode.

That "ATTACK" was too much for me. The Ending almost redeem the episode though.

That Macross ship is probably ANOTHER Supervision Army's ship that crashed due to the same stuff that disable Alto's plane.

Probably related to the same technology salvaged/rooted from the day of ASS-1

Can't be another SA ship, it has ARMD carriers docked to it.

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You know what... screw what I just said. It can't be another Macross. I forgot that Daedalus and Prometheus was attached to the original ship, so it can't be OTHER Macross. But then again, continuity has been broken before.

EDIT: BEATEN in less than a minute.

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OK SPECULATION TIME!! :)

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4604/sn...27080719vj2.jpg

this thing looks like a fully-grown version of the green squirrel pet of Ranka. and probably came from those eggs we've seen.

look at the bottom - seems like purple crystals? :)

so those crystals are sourced from these monsters huh?

and Sheryl's illness could really be due to her panty coming into contact with the little green thief. although we know (from President Glass' broadcast) that humans are not affected by the v-type virus, Sheryl might be a rare case perhaps due to her genes (her blood type is special...)

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OK SPECULATION TIME!! :)

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4604/sn...27080719vj2.jpg

this thing looks like a fully-grown version of the green squirrel pet of Ranka. and probably came from those eggs we've seen.

look at the bottom - seems like purple crystals? :)

so those crystals are sourced from these monsters huh?

and Sheryl's illness could really be due to her panty coming into contact with the little green thief. although we know (from President Glass' broadcast) that humans are not affected by the v-type virus, Sheryl might be a rare case perhaps due to her genes (her blood type is special...)

Or it could be a common cold

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You know what... screw what I just said. It can't be another Macross. I forgot that Daedalus and Prometheus was attached to the original ship, so it can't be OTHER Macross. But then again, continuity has been broken before.

EDIT: BEATEN in less than a minute.

The Macross was rebuilt with ARMD carriers as per the ending of Flashback 2012. Continuity is fine. It is the Macross.

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The Macross was rebuilt with ARMD carriers as per the ending of Flashback 2012. Continuity is fine. It is the Macross.

Besides, there's no indication that the SA version of the gunboat transformed, right? It may not be the SDF-1, but it certainly has to be an Earth ship. If it is the Macross... I'm actually heartbroken to see it in such a state.

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Man, I haven't seen the episode yet, but it sounds really interesting, given the spoilers though, I wonder

how the set up between Sheryl, Ranka and Alto will end up. I vote threesome, but that's just me. Although I agree that Alto ditching Sheryl was a poor move, but it's interesting to see that Alto is essentially Hikaru recasted, but he isn't showing any real favoritism right now for either girls, and people call Mikhail a playboy.

My vote personally is for Sheryl right now, to me she is a bit more like Misa, strong personality, and know what she wants, but there is a chance that she might not make it out of this. After all, Ranka is also not a wishy washy type, partly thanks to Sheryl's encouragement.

One thought that's may be worth another spoiler,

there is an episode named goodbye sister down the road, another four or five episodes, what if it turns out people are right, and Sheryl and Ranka are sister, and one of them -- would have to be Sheryl, buys the farm. Then the title -- goodbye sister makes sense right? So it wouldn't necessarily be an end of the road for Ozama

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One thought that's may be worth another spoiler,

there is an episode named goodbye sister down the road, another four or five episodes, what if it turns out people are right, and Sheryl and Ranka are sister, and one of them -- would have to be Sheryl, buys the farm. Then the title -- goodbye sister makes sense right? So it wouldn't necessarily be an end of the road for Ozama

We've already had an episode titled "Goodbye Sheryl". I wouldn't read too much into the titles.

Or it could be a common cold

Or perhaps a common cold linked to a recurrence of the bad effects that she mentioned when she arrived in the airlock during the first episode.

I feel sorry for Sheryl, though. Admittedly, Alto did owe Ranka after not calling last episode. But I would imagine that one of the things that Sheryl envisioned when she set up Alto's "present" was the opportunity to go flying with him again. Instead Sheryl's unable to stand without support and Ranka gets to go up in the sky instead. Hopefully Sheryl gets the opportunity before they leave the planet.

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Did anyone notice the credit given to Haruhiko Mikimoto (美樹本晴彦) in the end. The credit makes reference to original character design. I'm thinking either the Bretai and Kamjin look alikes are really clones of the "original" or we may see flashbacks to Global, gasp, maybe Hikaru, Misa, or Minmay in the next episode. On another note, some were wondering why the VF-27 needed fold booster to get to Galia 4. Maybe the internal booster on the VF-27 aren't advanced enough to fold through those fold faults like the new fold booster can.

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