JValk Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 maybe it was damaged in battle? Dibs on this one for the MT forum if yall dont mind? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Although the series has a softer touch right now, Gilliam's death established that it can get gritty and dark, and I'm expecting the series to take a darker turn towards the end. Lucca should have a pink and blue VF-25... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy001 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I think the rebel commander was conspiring with Sheryl's hot but sinister manager. For what, I have foggiest idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I thought it was episode 7? Wasn't episode 6 Double Vision? (i.e. the one with the singer who would have been Priss's replacement character?) Whichever one that they were trapped in the tower. Hell, that was episode 8, wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisaForever Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) Whichever one that they were trapped in the tower. Hell, that was episode 8, wasn't it? There were only 7 baka Then there was Crash Wait, nevermind... there were 8 Edited July 1, 2008 by MisaForever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Dex Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Whichever one that they were trapped in the tower. Hell, that was episode 8, wasn't it? There were only 7 baka Then there was Crash Wait, nevermind... there were 8 Off topic.. off topic... off topic... jk, but we should probably be getting back to the ep.12 discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Off topic.. off topic... off topic... jk, but we should probably be getting back to the ep.12 discussions. I think this is very relevant. Being that Luca is Nene, I am going to assume he will remain totally useless until the last episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 That "G.I. Joe battle" didn't seem too out of place to me. I mean, on one hand Ogotai had a battleship armed to the teeth aimed at Temjin's group. On the other hand, Temjin had access to nuclear warheads and a squad of Quaedluuns ready to use them. If either side provoked the other too far, they'd be condemning themselves(and probably everyone, mutually assured destruction FTW) to death. Damn, in a situation like that I'd implicity avoid mowing down the guys on the other side... i agree. i never got the impression of a "gijoe" battle. what i felt was that they were just laying down warning shots (or cover fire at times), just to keep the other side in its place. they were keeping their trump cards until it was necessary for a real battle (ogotai with his battleship, temjin with his nuclear missiles). If ranka hadn't arrived on time, then we would have seen an honest to goodness zentraedi bloodbath, since ogotai had already given the order to fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 the person who spilled the most blood is Ranka QFT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 i agree. i never got the impression of a "gijoe" battle. what i felt was that they were just laying down warning shots (or cover fire at times), just to keep the other side in its place. they were keeping their trump cards until it was necessary for a real battle (ogotai with his battleship, temjin with his nuclear missiles). If ranka hadn't arrived on time, then we would have seen an honest to goodness zentraedi bloodbath, since ogotai had already given the order to fire. That's the feeling I got, that it was all warning shots and covering fire. Despite the two sides dislike for each other I got the feeling they weren't quite ready to turn things into a bloodbath. And Alto is becoming quite the acconmplished knife fighter. Anyway, hope we get to see some more of the Vajra soon. They have been absent for far too long. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I wonder if NUNS have phased out the original Zentran Regult since epi.12 show they only have Q-Reas now. Wait, isn't it Q-Raus are originally built specially for Meltran since Zentran are unable to handle its maneuverability? I demand some VF-171 in action, and please Kawamori, show us the Batroid or the Gerwalk mode at least in one frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Guld Goa Bowman Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I demand some VF-171 in action, and please Kawamori, show us the Batroid or the Gerwalk mode at least in one frame. Your not the only one who wants to see more of the VF-171. The only time we had seen the battroid mode was in the flashback of Michael's sister shooting her ex and that shot was just a quick flash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I wonder if NUNS have phased out the original Zentran Regult since epi.12 show they only have Q-Reas now. Given that the Regult is basically a walking deathtrap it wouldn't surprise me all that much if they had. In theory the human organization would presumeably have a greater degree of regard for the lives of the Zentraedi troops serving under it than the original Zentraedi forces did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronnang Dunn Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) Given that the Regult is basically a walking deathtrap it wouldn't surprise me all that much if they had. In theory the human organization would presumeably have a greater degree of regard for the lives of the Zentraedi troops serving under it than the original Zentraedi forces did. Actually the Regults were very well armed (energy weapons galore) and were pretty maneuverable in space. They also were very good and fast mechanized infantry units. In big numbers, they were devastating... They had practically no armor though... (The TIE fighters of the Macross universe...!!!) Edited July 2, 2008 by Kronnang Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 And Alto is becoming quite the acconmplished knife fighter. Thats nearly an understatement. Seems like he pulls it out every chance he gets. (His knife that is) Anyway, hope we get to see some more of the Vajra soon. They have been absent for far too long. Graham Amen to that. We need a big Vajra fix to make up for their no show for the last few episodes. Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taksraven Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Given that the Regult is basically a walking deathtrap it wouldn't surprise me all that much if they had. In theory the human organization would presumeably have a greater degree of regard for the lives of the Zentraedi troops serving under it than the original Zentraedi forces did. The Regults were certainly *the* cannon fodder of the Zentraedi forces. This is the usual problem of units that attempt to be the "jack of all trades", (ground and space assault). I think that using a Regult would be like using a Valk that was stuck in Gerwalk mode. A valk stuck in Gerwalk could do everthing but not as well as it could in either specialised mode. (Battroid or fighter) I think a worse deathtrap to be stuck in would be the Gnerl Fighter Pod, which had very limited capabilities compared to the Regult and Valkyrie. Taksraven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Actually the Regults were very well armed (energy weapons galore) and were pretty maneuverable in space. They also were very good and fast mechanized infantry units. In big numbers, they were devastating... They had practically no armor though... Didn't say that they didn't have good weapons on them. It's ironic that the humans built a number of heavily armored mecha... and ran into the Zentraedi who went the exact opposite and built a number of Regult variants that were all overgunned (to the point where the armor on the human mecha didn't mean very much) to the extreme but had paper thin skins. Regardless, Western human philosophy (and the Japanese have adopted this particular bit) tends to favor providing troops and personnel with at least minimal protection whenever possible. Given the non-armored nature of the Regults, I can't see them staying in use any longer than is absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnuskn Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Didn't say that they didn't have good weapons on them. It's ironic that the humans built a number of heavily armored mecha... and ran into the Zentraedi who went the exact opposite and built a number of Regult variants that were all overgunned (to the point where the armor on the human mecha didn't mean very much) to the extreme but had paper thin skins. Regardless, Western human philosophy (and the Japanese have adopted this particular bit) tends to favor providing troops and personnel with at least minimal protection whenever possible. Given the non-armored nature of the Regults, I can't see them staying in use any longer than is absolutely necessary. Seeing how Klan survived being shot down in her Qeadluun, I think that goes without saying. Unless Brera just wanted to test her skill out and is *that* precise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VFTF1 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Vajra: I don't miss them at all. They are biological weapons who exist to kill. Ergo - they are rather boring, once you basically get the hang of fighting them. In SDF Macross, when the Zentrans would constantly swarm the Macross, at least we would also see Breetai and Exedol hatching some plan, and the Zentrans would often be executing some kind of a strategic maneuver. Ergo - it was interesting to watch. The Vajra just swarm in and kill NUNS. Big deal. Boring. Ergo - I think it was a good move on the part of the show creators to NOT have Vajra swarming all over the place every episode. You can't really sing to them like you can to the Protodevilin, and they have no character, let alone character interaction amongst themselves. GI JOE fight: Ok - I can agree with the IDEA that the two sides were holding back for the reasons given above - HOWEVER... Warfare is always chaotic. It is simply a fiction that when you have a large number of gittery guys in close range with weapons of that caliber pointed at eachother that when they begin shooting - they will only fire warning shots and make mean looking faces and nasty remarks. There is always the risk that someone will panic and go a little overboard. I guess you can argue that the Zentrans are EXTREMELY well disciplined... But then again - the whole episode was about the utterly UN-DISCIPLINED 33 Marine brigade which was so undisciplined that it was rebelling against their commanding officer... So ... sorry to say it - but they could have worked a tad harder on this aspect of the episode. But I forgive them because all of it was justified by the ends: Ranka and the Song Booster VFTF1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electric indigo Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Amen to that. We need a big Vajra fix to make up for their no show for the last few episodes. Well we get the multi-eyed green guy in the next episode, let's see what it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Focker Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 VFTF1, completely agree with you on the chaotic nature of warfare. like when was a pickup game of basketball or football simply just a friendly game? i reserve some hope for the vajra though. leon did suggest they seem to be controlled by external higher intelligence, potentiallly much in the same way the breetai would use the zentraedi. it may be just that this higher intelligence hasn't yet exhibited any strategic moves or tactics (although they did apparently manage to conceal a red crab in one of the frontier islands, even if it may have been prematurely foiled by ranka's singing). i'm hoping we'll get to see something like a good zerg player later on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batou Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I wonder if NUNS have phased out the original Zentran Regult since epi.12 show they only have Q-Reas now. Wait, isn't it Q-Raus are originally built specially for Meltran since Zentran are unable to handle its maneuverability? I demand some VF-171 in action, and please Kawamori, show us the Batroid or the Gerwalk mode at least in one frame. "Phased out" implies they would be replaced with something. Recall that there are just a handful of Glaugs left because all the factories that built them got blown to atoms and the Zentradi don't know how to make more. Zentran are fighters, not engineers, not designers, not lovers. Satan's Dolls and all that. The ones that joined with the UNS/NUNS after SW1 clearly learned and developed these skills and others from their interactions with humans, but I don't think we've seen anything indicating that any of the Zentradi are actually designing new mecha to replace their old designs, though. I always assumed that the PC created all the mobile factories, and the Zentran/Meltran had essentially been fighting a war of attrition ever since the PC died out or disappeared. As the factories get destroyed (as they would be highly valuable military targets), their ability to replace lost arms is lessened each and every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilSpex Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I think people are trying to make excuses for the lame battle scene between the Zentraudi factions. Lets face it, Macross Frontier is just probably never going to be as gritty as the original series, even though most of us would like it to be. The rest of the episode was pretty good. Ranka`s appearance is how Sound Force or whatever in Macross 7 should have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I don't see Macross Frontier as toned down in violence compared to SDF Macross. So far Macross Frontier has been pretty bloody. Gilliam's red waterfall of death, the Vajra's throat geyser death at Ozuma's knife, Ozuma's injury, the suicide of Mikhail's sister; the violence seems to be on the typical broadcast anime level. There was nothing in SDF Macross that was extremely violent; Kakizaki's death was probably the most visually/audably graphic violence in SDF Macross, at least in a disturbing way. The Zentradi soldier's death at the hands of Hikaru/Roy was very brief. Roy's death was pretty tame and largely bloodless. And there's more than a few "GI Joe" battles in SDF Macross. Max and Kakizaki chased off a bunch of Zentradi soldiers by shooting at their feet. Hikaru dispatched a Zentradi soldier with a rifle and his helmet glass made him nice and faceless to tone down the violence. The entire "First Contact" story arc in SDF Macross was very GI Joe-esque by the same benchmark that fans in this thread are using. In fact, nearly all the Zentradi soldier sequences in SDF Macross were typical no-one-harmed, everyone-surrenders fare. Do You Remember Love? is where all the graphic violence was found; Max's head shot, Milia's blood bath aboard Britai's ship, Focker vs. Kamjin, etc. That was the really good stuff But that's what you can get away with in a movie versus a television series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 SDFM made a point of being nonviolent. Half way through the show, three of the main characters make it a point to try and not kill their opponents. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I got a question, did the Zentran had other miclones in the planet helping them, when they seize the reaction warheads, and Alto is sneaking to his VF he sees some trucks carrying the reaction warheads and then we get a shot of Ogotai seeing this trucks which are clearly not zentran in size...so, who's driving them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumdumgai Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Heh, maybe those are zentraedi sized remote control cars. Those trucks could be driven by hostages. "Drive these trucks or we turn you into a red smear on the ground." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Or they have a miclone chamber stashed. Back stabbing Ally killer Quamzin used to steal those things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 hahaha, but if their so proud of being Zentrans, why would they go through the miclone process just to serve and not fight... hahaha oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerocombatpilot Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Can somebody tell me who is singing the DYRL song at the end of this episode? Is it Ranka or Sheryl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichterX Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Ranka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germán Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Can somebody tell me who is singing the DYRL song at the end of this episode? Is it Ranka or Sheryl? Is Ranka Lee/Megumi Nakajima. DYRL song is the ending of the deculture episode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Vajra: I don't miss them at all. They are biological weapons who exist to kill. Ergo - they are rather boring, once you basically get the hang of fighting them. In SDF Macross, when the Zentrans would constantly swarm the Macross, at least we would also see Breetai and Exedol hatching some plan, and the Zentrans would often be executing some kind of a strategic maneuver. Ergo - it was interesting to watch. The Vajra just swarm in and kill NUNS. Big deal. Boring. Ergo - I think it was a good move on the part of the show creators to NOT have Vajra swarming all over the place every episode. You can't really sing to them like you can to the Protodevilin, and they have no character, let alone character interaction amongst themselves. VFTF1 Not talking about having Vajra swarms every episode, but it's been ages since we saw any Vajra at all. At least some Vajra action every 3-4 eps would be nice. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_foul_fowl Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I can't help it... but... <voiceover> Tonight... ALL will be revealed! </voiceover> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamweaver13 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I can't help it... but... <voiceover> Tonight... ALL will be revealed! </voiceover> but... who IS the final cylon??!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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