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Originally the plan for Boxey was for him to play son to Chief Tyrol as father and Boomer as mother.

Good thing daggit wasn't included in the dialogue.

Felgercarb wasn't good enough as a curse word.

Speaking of Felgercarb watch

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The diector's cut is here.

That was awesome. ^_^

And yeah..."feldercarb." I don't miss it much. Neither do I miss "Yahren," "Centon," "Daggit," or any of the other dumb "space" words they came up with for the original show.

I can see why they kept "Frak," though. But I bet if the series had been on HBO instead of the Sci-Fi Channel, they would've dropped that, too.

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I feel a little sorry for Boxey in the new version, because I don't think I've seen him since he was playing cards with Boomer the miniseries. I thought he was actually going to be a character, instead of just a little in-joke thrown in to make people think, "PLEASE, Lord, don't let him get a robot dog!"

It's a better than becoming a lead in Galactica 1980. :lol:

I hope at least RDM implied his character made it to the end of the show.

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Okay...screw my DVD provider! She's not the boss of me!

I stopped by the used DVD shop near my house today, and BOOM! Unrated Extended Edition of Razor for only $5.00!

I'll start watching it in a little while. ^_^

Welcome to the dark side... You've officially entered the realm of BSG fandom.

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Okay...screw my DVD provider! She's not the boss of me!

I stopped by the used DVD shop near my house today, and BOOM! Unrated Extended Edition of Razor for only $5.00!

I'll start watching it in a little while. ^_^

Given that Razor Flashback episodes 1 and 2 aren't in the DVD help yourself.

Razor Flashback 1

Razor Flashback 2

You'll see in Razor and Razor Flashback that Galactica was the naked odd duck among her fellow class. RDM said in a podcast the ribs were always there and she didn't need additional armor smooth armor. Apparently designed to take on nukes.

My favorite of the Razor Flashback webisodes was a glimpse of a full blown Colonial-Cylon War without the cheating CNP backdoors.

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Welcome to the dark side... You've officially entered the realm of BSG fandom.

I bought the Miniseries a few weeks ago...and I was talking with my mom last week, and mentioned that I was watching the show and really liking it (all she knew was that that it got stellar reviews in the newspaper), and she asked, "Is that something you'd want from Christmas or your birthday?"

And I said, "Sure." ;)

Given that Razor Flashback episodes 1 and 2 aren't in the DVD help yourself.

Razor Flashback 1

Razor Flashback 2

You'll see in Razor and Razor Flashback that Galactica was the naked odd duck among her fellow class. RDM said in a podcast the ribs were always there and she didn't need additional armor smooth armor. Apparently designed to take on nukes.

My favorite of the Razor Flashback webisodes was a glimpse of a full blown Colonial-Cylon War without the cheating CNP backdoors.

Thanks...I wonder why they didn't put the first two in the movie? An extra four minutes of material wouldn't have slowed the movie down much.

And yeah, I liked the movie a lot.

The first half seemed kind of...unnecessary, since it was merely dramatizing events that had been fully narrated during the series (although Kain's relationship with Six was something of a surprise...I originally thought Kain's death was kind of anticlimactic, but I'm going to have to revise that opinion now). But the "present day" story was quite interesting, and it was fun to see the new series' take on the old Cylon types. It doesn't really change my impression of most of the events of the past season and a half (although it would've if Shaw had been able to communicate the Hybrid's message to Lee), but overall, qite a nice addition to the story.

And now it's time to gird my loins and finish up the original series...dare I go on to Galactica 1980 when I'm done? Will I be able to stand watching it? Will all you nice folks be able to stand my bitching about it? :p

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I tried watching an episode of Galactica 1980. Once... I think my mind tried to block out most of the experience for the sake of self-preservation. All I remember is that our intrepid pilots were chaperoning a bunch of fleet kids masquerading as cub scouts. Hijinks ensue. I think that's where I blacked out.

...Sadly, I looked up the episode just to make sure it wasn't some sort of delusional fever dream, and it does exist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Super_Scouts

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I originally thought Kain's death was kind of anticlimactic, but I'm going to have to revise that opinion now).

Thus "Frak you" and "You're not my type" takes an entirely new meaning.

Now that you've watched it here are my sfx nitpicks.

Firstly the Galactica type and the Valkyrie types. They are too big in the Scorpion Shipyard scene. Valkyrie mesured 1200 meters. While the Galactica type got bulkier than the Pegasus.

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Another is the inconsistencies in the Berzerk class escort. According to Charles Oines of Irrational Designs porfolio the ship dubbed Berzerk class escort is 842 meters. The supervising director upsized it beside the Pegasus while leaving the rest in.

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On the Battlestars we get that the Galactica type may not be standardly built. As with the Columbia.

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On Basestars we see the original double saucer Basestar. Much like its successor it is a missile attack ship. We also see the precurssor to the double Y Basestar with the Guardian basestar. These baseships launch Centurion piloted raiders.

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On another note the double Y basestars notice since Collaborators they've changed the render. This is a recon. The original look carrying a capacity of 864 Raiders while the newer render 434 Raiders. These are based on available slots.

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Thus "Frak you" and "You're not my type" takes an entirely new meaning.

Crap, that's RIGHT! I forgot that she said, "You're not my type."

Ewww...not that Kain didn't deserve it, but that a pretty horrible send-off...especially since, throughout the movie, Kain seemed...nicer? more relaxed? than she had in the show, up until the Six was revealed. I think that finding out that she had given her love to a traitorous Cylon really made something shrivel up and die inside Kain.

And then, "You not my type." In other words, "You loved me, but I was only using you the whole time." Again, ewwww...

Now that you've watched it here are my sfx nitpicks.

Firstly the Galactica type and the Valkyrie types. They are too big in the Scorpion Shipyard scene. Valkyrie mesured 1200 meters. While the Galactica type got bulkier than the Pegasus.

Another is the inconsistencies in the Berzerk class escort. According to Charles Oines of Irrational Designs porfolio the ship dubbed Berzerk class escort is 842 meters. The supervising director upsized it beside the Pegasus while leaving the rest in.

On the Battlestars we get that the Galactica type may not be standardly built. As with the Columbia.

On Basestars we see the original double saucer Basestar. Much like its successor it is a missile attack ship. We also see the precurssor to the double Y Basestar with the Guardian basestar. These baseships launch Centurion piloted raiders.

On another note the double Y basestars notice since Collaborators they've changed the render. This is a recon. The original look carrying a capacity of 864 Raiders while the newer render 434 Raiders. These are based on available slots.

Yeah...I didn't notice any of that. :unsure:

Unsurprising, since (if you've been following the Robotech thread), I thought the Macross was 1200 meters, which apparently means I'm an idiot. B))

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I just watched "Experiment in Terra" today, which finishes off the trilogy of episodes about Terra, which (wink wink) may or may not be earth (turns out it's not).

Another episode presenting the idea that civilian government is weak and ineffectual, and only a military dictatorship can really get things done.

Needless to say, I find this idea rather abhorrent. Strong defense? Sure. Realistic approaches to genuine threats? Absolutely. Dictatorship...? Well, that's a different story entirely.

One of the biggest problems I'm having with the Original Series now as I near its end, is its willingness to raise incredibly huge, complex questions (about government, or *ahem* religion), and then just kind of toss off a facile answer. Then everyone smiles. Freeze frame. The end.

I would hope that, had the series been granted a second season, they would have explored these recurring themes with a little more depth, but I doubt it would have happened.

Anyway, only two episodes left...and by the Lords of Kobol, I'll be glad to leave this series behind.

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My take on Terra (Though it is another name for Earth) is that it is a lost colony. Terrans also have their own colonies and ships. But not comparable to Colonials or Cylons.

Also this a take on the Cold War and MAD. With the Nationalists as the West and the Eastern Alliance as the Soviet equivalent.

Yeah since Saga of the Star World the civilian governments are portrayed as weak if it goes for a peace settlement. Enemies are not to be trusted mentality.

In the real world it is not that simple minded. Even opposing governments and factions go in negotiations.

The Galactica is a Dues Ex Machina taking down the nuclear missiles. As is the Ship of Lights.

The Ship of Lights are portrayed as some mysterious ascended beings. With Iblis as some fallen angel , who had a hand in the extinction of the original reptile Cylon race and the creation of the mechanical Cylons.

Oh if you're interested there is a Battlestar Galactica 1980 reimagined series comic out now. What is so differrent about it? Two words... Dr. Gaius Zee. Oh Felgercarb!

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Colonel, I served with Saul Tigh; I knew Saul Tigh; Saul Tigh was a friend of mine. Colonel, you're no Saul Tigh.

Nah Just Tigh... Colonel Tigh. An aged Boomer replaces him as XO in Battlestar Galactica 1980.

oBSG Colonials don't have last names. But if 1980 is to go by they do change their names come adulthood.

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Additonally:

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Colonel, I served with Saul Tigh; I knew Saul Tigh; Saul Tigh was a friend of mine. Colonel, you're no Saul Tigh.

Of course not. That's Bob Tigh of the Virgon Tighs. Distant cousin. I know it can get confusing with the strong family resemblance, though....

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My take on Terra (Though it is another name for Earth) is that it is a lost colony. Terrans also have their own colonies and ships. But not comparable to Colonials or Cylons.

Also this a take on the Cold War and MAD. With the Nationalists as the West and the Eastern Alliance as the Soviet equivalent.

Yeah since Saga of the Star World the civilian governments are portrayed as weak if it goes for a peace settlement. Enemies are not to be trusted mentality.

In the real world it is not that simple minded. Even opposing governments and factions go in negotiations.

The Galactica is a Dues Ex Machina taking down the nuclear missiles. As is the Ship of Lights.

The Ship of Lights are portrayed as some mysterious ascended beings. With Iblis as some fallen angel , who had a hand in the extinction of the original reptile Cylon race and the creation of the mechanical Cylons.

Oh if you're interested there is a Battlestar Galactica 1980 reimagined series comic out now. What is so differrent about it? Two words... Dr. Gaius Zee. Oh Felgercarb!

Calm down, clam down...I'll get there eventually... :p

Nah Just Tigh... Colonel Tigh. An aged Boomer replaces him as XO in Battlestar Galactica 1980.

oBSG Colonials don't have last names. But if 1980 is to go by they do change their names come adulthood.

Yeah, I know. But "Colonel, I knew Colonel Tigh" just doesn't sound right. And "Saul Tigh" has such a nice ring to it, don't you think? ;)

Of course not. That's Bob Tigh of the Virgon Tighs. Distant cousin. I know it can get confusing with the strong family resemblance, though....

Oh, the Virgon Tighs? Are the related to the Picon Tighs? I met Bettie-Sue Tigh at the high school hop last week. Nice girl, good family.

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I think I saw him at a convention a few years ago. Unfortunately, he didn't get as much attention as Richard Hatch at the same con.

I'm not surprised...the original Tigh is an eminently forgettable character. The only truly good scene he had (that I can recall and/or have seen so far) was when he convinced Apollo and Starbuck to go against the orders of the Quorum of Twelve in "Baltar's Escape." That was kind of funny.

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I'm not surprised...the original Tigh is an eminently forgettable character. The only truly good scene he had (that I can recall and/or have seen so far) was when he convinced Apollo and Starbuck to go against the orders of the Quorum of Twelve in "Baltar's Escape." That was kind of funny.

Yeah, even though it would be years before a show made the second in command of anything important (if Star Trek TNG didn't start it, please tell me), he still had a big responsibility in the fleet. Like in "Fire in Space."

Edit: There was Number One in the original Star Trek pilot.

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Yeah, even though it would be years before a show made the second in command of anything important (if Star Trek TNG didn't start it, please tell me), he still had a big responsibility in the fleet. Like in "Fire in Space."

Yes, his quick thinking in requesting that some mushies be brought to the bridge really saved the day. :mellow:

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I watched "Take the Celestra" yesterday. It wasn't as abysmally bad as some other episodes in the series.

Only one left to go, and then my endurance test is over...unless I decide to pick up Galactica 1980.

Only get Galactica 1980 if you wish to be committed to a Funny Farm afterwards....... Its really bad!

So are you still on Season 3 or getting close to Season 4?

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Only get Galactica 1980 if you wish to be committed to a Funny Farm afterwards....... Its really bad!

So are you still on Season 3 or getting close to Season 4?

I'm between seasons 3 and 4, and i've watched Razor. So I'm taking the time between seasons to finish watching the original series, which I find tremendously bad overall. :D

I figure I've watched 23 episodes of the first series (and I'm watching the last one sometime today). I figure if I've come this far I might as well rent Galactica 1980 and complete the saga...

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But... paying money for Galactica 1980 just sounds so... wrong. O.o At least I waited for the Space channel to show it.

Well, I look at it this way. I like the little locally-owned used DVD sales/rental shop. They've already paid for the DVDs and it's not like they need two copies of something like Galactica 1980. So I like to think I'm helping to support the store, not the product. :D

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Anybody ever notice the similarities between Macross and Galactica?

A ship or fleet full of military and civilians trying to find their way home. (Macross and Galactica),

A song having something to do with their survival. (Minmay's songs and All Along the Watchtower)

A great pilot dying or sacrificing themselves to save others. (Roy and Starbuck)

Finally finding "home" only to discover it's been devastated. (Earth in both series, or at least DYRL)

Realizing that your enemy and your own race were once united, or the same.

Calling a truce with former enemy rebels only to unite and battle against the rest of the common enemy.

Love triangles. (Boomer-Cally-Tyrol, Lee-Starbuck-Anders, Tigh-Six-Baltar)

Just a thought.

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Anybody ever notice the similarities between Macross and Galactica?

Just a thought.

It's funny. The reason my DVD Provider started, um, providing the DVDs was because I was working on Macross at the coffee shop where we hang out, and she asked what I was working on. I told her about Macross, and she immediately asked, "Have you watched Battlestar Galactica?" :lol:

Oh, and I didn't read your list of similarities because I figure there are some spoilers in there. Can anyone tell me if the coast is clear? :)

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Oh, and I didn't read your list of similarities because I figure there are some spoilers in there. Can anyone tell me if the coast is clear? :)

Not until the final episode where it become painfully obvious. :mellow:

If you happen to pass by Space Battles forum don't click the Battlestar Galactica thread. I placed a rant on the plot story progression.

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Not until the final episode where it become painfully obvious. :mellow:

If you happen to pass by Space Battles forum don't click the Battlestar Galactica thread. I placed a rant on the plot story progression.

I take it you don't like the last season?

(See, this is one of the reasons I want to watch Galactica 1980 before I go into Season 4. Nearly ANYTHING would look good in comparison.)

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Up until the mid season 4 that's where the mindfrak begins.

That's where the mindfrak BEGINS!?! :blink:

More than the ending of Season 3???

(Don't answer that, please. :) )

Hoo-boy, I feel like I'm in for something really special...but I'm not sure if it'll be a trick or a treat...

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That's where the mindfrak BEGINS!?! :blink:

More than the ending of Season 3???

(Don't answer that, please. :) )

Hoo-boy, I feel like I'm in for something really special...but I'm not sure if it'll be a trick or a treat...

You have to realize that WGA Strike really affected the planning and quality. Plus they had to wrap up the plotlines in 22 episodes of season 4 separated by a hiatus. 1 to 12 first half, 13 to 22 second half.

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