David Hingtgen Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 Probably the easiest method for FAST Pack-less gunpods, would be to have simple plug-in, removable false half gunpods on the belly plates, to give the appearance of them being semi-recessed. Which is what I suggested at the bottom of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nani?! Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Probably the easiest method for FAST Pack-less gunpods, would be to have simple plug-in, removable false half gunpods on the belly plates, to give the appearance of them being semi-recessed. Graham Which is what David suggests with what he tabs as "gunpod parts". The illusion that they're there with plug-in false half pods are the way to go... but I hope the plug holes on the underbelly aren't some ghastly round holes this time around but maybe thin slits that look ok even with the pods removed. Retractable landing gears are also preferred if it's feasible with some telescoping method as mentioned... The locking method for telescoping LG's should be something yamato should pay extra attention to and I hope they don't simply rely on friction. Removeable landing gears are perfectly acceptable in my case, but I'd like to see if they try and make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 11, 2006 Author Share Posted October 11, 2006 And the answer is: Magnets! Magnetically attached "half-gunpods" on the belly plates. It'd be easy to hide some magnets in the belly plates. And if the belly FAST packs were magnetically attached too, they could be made very thin. However, I'm thinking the FAST packs too may need to use the "half gunpods" as well. Just look at the D'stance----it requires insanely long gear that can't possibly retract into the wells to have like 1mm of ground clearance with all the stuff attached to the belly. If people accept half-gunpods for the armor-less belly, they should accept the same half-gunpods for the armored belly. Full-size gunpods would be for battroid only. (I'm thinking the same set of half-gunpods could be used for both armored and un-armored belly in fighter mode, so there's not a bunch of different sets to keep track of--just one set that'd fit the belly plates with or without armor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nani?! Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 (edited) And the answer is: Magnets! Magnetically attached "half-gunpods" on the belly plates. It'd be easy to hide some magnets in the belly plates. And if the belly FAST packs were magnetically attached too, they could be made very thin. However, I'm thinking the FAST packs too may need to use the "half gunpods" as well. Just look at the D'stance----it requires insanely long gear that can't possibly retract into the wells to have like 1mm of ground clearance with all the stuff attached to the belly. If people accept half-gunpods for the armor-less belly, they should accept the same half-gunpods for the armored belly. Full-size gunpods would be for battroid only. (I'm thinking the same set of half-gunpods could be used for both armored and un-armored belly in fighter mode, so there's not a bunch of different sets to keep track of--just one set that'd fit the belly plates with or without armor) Looking at the d'stance pics I dont think it's necessary for the FP's to also require half gunpods. Heck looking at the pic below, if they somehow shrink the size of the pods themselves, they might make it work even without fastpacks... D'stance yf-21 Anyway enough about the yf-21... this is the yf-19 thread. Edited October 11, 2006 by Nani?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaHX Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 The Kawamori Design Works books has pics showing how the 2 gunpods attached to the YF-21 in fighter mode without FAST Packs. They are semi-recessed into the belly plates. In episode #2 of the Mac Plus OVA, there is an aerial gunnery scene, where the YF-19 & YF-21 are in fighter mode, shooting their gunpods and beam weapons. If you freeze frame this scene, you can see the gunpods mounted on the YF-21's belly plates IIRC. Graham Oh whoa, thanx Graham. So the 21 has 2 gunpods at all times? Nice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 (edited) Gee...I guess the news has kinda died on this one. Edited October 11, 2006 by kensei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 I just really don't think the FAST-pack-less gunpods on the -21 are feasible on a toy. Space in the belly is so critical the thickness of the gear doors and tire tread is an issue. And there's supposed to be room for guns? You'd need massive doors and hinges in the belly plates, even if you did have room. The height of the doors alone would equal the depth of the belly. It can work in 1:1 scale with a bit of anime magic and the sliding doors Kawamori is oh-so-fond-of in the M+ and later valks. But not with simple hinged doors and 1:60 scale. Basically--I think any attempt at doing so would so compromise the design, it'd end up looking worse than the original Yamato YF-21. Just skip it, and make the gunpods fast-pack only. ::lightbulb!:: Or possibly---make special "fighter mode only" gunpod parts---like, just the visible bottom half of the gunpods. Attach to the belly plates, and there you go. But trying to actually INSERT a full gunpod into the belly isn't going to happen. But that would add extra parts and no respectable 20+ year old man can possibly keep track of all the parts for a toy he'll probably only transform enough times to count on one hand. Impossible Propaganda I say! (in all reality though it's great idea. It would cut down heavily on the kibble and look even better in fighter mode.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream Man Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Are the arm guns on the 21 beam cannons or machine guns? coz as long as its armed, it doesnt really NEED the extra gunpods...I always liked the idea of the internal weaponry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Are the arm guns on the 21 beam cannons or machine guns? coz as long as its armed, it doesnt really NEED the extra gunpods...I always liked the idea of the internal weaponry The YF-21 arm mounted cannons are laser weapons. That's one reason I liked to YF-21 so much; it's excessively armed compared to all the other Valkyries. It's got two gunpods, two arm mounted laser cannons, one head mounted laser, and internal hardpoints. The YF-19 has a similar loadout except for a second gunpod, but the YF-19 does have extra ammunition clips for it's single gunpod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Yeah. The YF-21 gunpods aren't reloadable anyway, so it's pretty even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted October 11, 2006 Share Posted October 11, 2006 Yeah. The YF-21 gunpods aren't reloadable anyway, so it's pretty even. The YF-21 gunpods are reloadable. They aren't disposable, requiring a newly built gunpod every time the mech comes back from a battle. They just aren't practical to reload in the field. You need at least some downtime to properly load the GV-17L gunpods. So combat conditions rule out reloading on the fly. Which is basically the same situation as the old GU-11s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadghost Posted October 12, 2006 Share Posted October 12, 2006 yes ........yes...I on the other hand will simply wait for a second or third fixd version with repaired problems, fast packs, fold booster, and MAYBE a tiny lower price if possible. But what about a YF-21............just the idea makes me drool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELEINEN Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 The YF-21 gunpods are reloadable. They aren't disposable, requiring a newly built gunpod every time the mech comes back from a battle. They just aren't practical to reload in the field. You need at least some downtime to properly load the GV-17L gunpods. So combat conditions rule out reloading on the fly. Which is basically the same situation as the old GU-11s. I kind of like the idea of a disposable gunpod. I can imagine a giant recycling bin at the hangar, that the pilot has to drop his spent pod in after a battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 And thus, we find yet another market for Macross; the enviromentalists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isamu_dyson Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 No news or pictures for the YF-19 ?, there still gimmicks to find !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mister_e Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 This thing comes out in November right? Which means it probably won't make it stateside until early December...not much more time left. I guess I need to start saving soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 The YF-21 gunpods are reloadable. They aren't disposable, requiring a newly built gunpod every time the mech comes back from a battle. They just aren't practical to reload in the field. You need at least some downtime to properly load the GV-17L gunpods. So combat conditions rule out reloading on the fly. Which is basically the same situation as the old GU-11s. Which is pretty much what I meant. They are cartridge-less style gunpods. While not disposable, you could pretty much bet that the YF-21 would get rid of the Gunpod if it is spent, it's a common thing for pilots to do in anime. Screw the UN budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promethuem5 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 It's true. Look at Gundam.... lots of the earlier designs didn't have reloadable guns... in the original series, Amuor ditches dozens of beam rifles in space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 I'm reminded of the scene in Lord of War where you see warehouses full of M-16s left after the US leaves... the guns weren't worth enough to transport them back, cheaper just to build new ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Just bumping in hopes to keep people's interest and bring out those hidden gimmicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 dude, I'm stumped. I can't think of anythihng else other than a rotating cockpit and a removable magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Max Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 Working ejector seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dizman Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 (edited) I'm betting on fold back wings, removeable hatch covers, and working lights. Edited October 14, 2006 by dizman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross73 Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Spring loaded Landing Gear. like the 1/55 or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promethuem5 Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 The Sweepable wings seem like a doable one.... /MAYBE/ removable panels if Yamato is feeling ambitious... I seriously doubt any sort of lights on the valk itself... removable magazine better be one of them tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sh002 Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Just wondering who has preordered this with the cheapest price so far? I preordered from HLJ with early bird price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isamu_dyson Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Just wondering who has preordered this with the cheapest price so far? I preordered from HLJ with early bird price. same here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priss! Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 same here I do it, at HLJ "early bird" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted October 15, 2006 Share Posted October 15, 2006 Just wondering who has preordered this with the cheapest price so far? I preordered from HLJ with early bird price. Check Godzilla's thread in the For Sale section. Great price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted October 15, 2006 Author Share Posted October 15, 2006 I'm still trying to figure out "who'll get it first--and can ship it to me first". Saw one person say Neova I think, for being close to Yamato's factory. Price isn't much of a concern--it'll be around 200 bucks regardless, +/- 10 bucks isn't worth a week or two of waiting for an ultra-fan of the YF-19 like myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isamu_dyson Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 for a "gimmick" ... a little isamu fig. in the "make the plane with his hand" pose, to put next to the YF-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante74 Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 How about that flying bicycle they use in the first scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I'm still trying to figure out "who'll get it first--and can ship it to me first". Saw one person say Neova I think, for being close to Yamato's factory. Price isn't much of a concern--it'll be around 200 bucks regardless, +/- 10 bucks isn't worth a week or two of waiting for an ultra-fan of the YF-19 like myself This thing will retail in Japan and the surrounding areas for $120 is my guess. Put a $20 mark up on it and ship it to the US and I'm thinking $170 should be the max price. For those considering going to Neova, I think it took 4 days for his package to make it to me... I call that fast. I don't know his asking price at the moment, nor do I know how quick he gets things from Yamato, but if shipping time alone counts then I could vouch for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isamu_dyson Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 How about that flying bicycle they use in the first scene. it'll be great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_i_t_h_l_o_r_d Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 How about that flying bicycle they use in the first scene. I suppose when you say, "flying" you meant hovering. I do remember wheels were hugging the ground but the main bike itself was kind of suspended in mid-air without the aid of conventional shocks and springs but thru the use of what I assume to be magnets. It would be nice to have something that gives all the 1/60th collection a sense of scale rather than the wingspan comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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