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The 2nd coming of the YF-19, Part 2


David Hingtgen
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Probably the easiest method for FAST Pack-less gunpods, would be to have simple plug-in, removable false half gunpods on the belly plates, to give the appearance of them being semi-recessed.

Which is what I suggested at the bottom of my post.

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Probably the easiest method for FAST Pack-less gunpods, would be to have simple plug-in, removable false half gunpods on the belly plates, to give the appearance of them being semi-recessed.

Graham

Which is what David suggests with what he tabs as "gunpod parts".

The illusion that they're there with plug-in false half pods are the way to go... but I hope the plug holes on the underbelly aren't some ghastly round holes this time around but maybe thin slits that look ok even with the pods removed.

Retractable landing gears are also preferred if it's feasible with some telescoping method as mentioned... The locking method for telescoping LG's should be something yamato should pay extra attention to and I hope they don't simply rely on friction. Removeable landing gears are perfectly acceptable in my case, but I'd like to see if they try and make it work.

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And the answer is: Magnets! Magnetically attached "half-gunpods" on the belly plates. It'd be easy to hide some magnets in the belly plates.

And if the belly FAST packs were magnetically attached too, they could be made very thin.

However, I'm thinking the FAST packs too may need to use the "half gunpods" as well. Just look at the D'stance----it requires insanely long gear that can't possibly retract into the wells to have like 1mm of ground clearance with all the stuff attached to the belly.

If people accept half-gunpods for the armor-less belly, they should accept the same half-gunpods for the armored belly. Full-size gunpods would be for battroid only. (I'm thinking the same set of half-gunpods could be used for both armored and un-armored belly in fighter mode, so there's not a bunch of different sets to keep track of--just one set that'd fit the belly plates with or without armor)

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And the answer is: Magnets! Magnetically attached "half-gunpods" on the belly plates. It'd be easy to hide some magnets in the belly plates.

And if the belly FAST packs were magnetically attached too, they could be made very thin.

However, I'm thinking the FAST packs too may need to use the "half gunpods" as well. Just look at the D'stance----it requires insanely long gear that can't possibly retract into the wells to have like 1mm of ground clearance with all the stuff attached to the belly.

If people accept half-gunpods for the armor-less belly, they should accept the same half-gunpods for the armored belly. Full-size gunpods would be for battroid only. (I'm thinking the same set of half-gunpods could be used for both armored and un-armored belly in fighter mode, so there's not a bunch of different sets to keep track of--just one set that'd fit the belly plates with or without armor)

Looking at the d'stance pics I dont think it's necessary for the FP's to also require half gunpods. Heck looking at the pic below, if they somehow shrink the size of the pods themselves, they might make it work even without fastpacks...

D'stance yf-21

Anyway enough about the yf-21... this is the yf-19 thread. ^_^

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The Kawamori Design Works books has pics showing how the 2 gunpods attached to the YF-21 in fighter mode without FAST Packs. They are semi-recessed into the belly plates.

In episode #2 of the Mac Plus OVA, there is an aerial gunnery scene, where the YF-19 & YF-21 are in fighter mode, shooting their gunpods and beam weapons. If you freeze frame this scene, you can see the gunpods mounted on the YF-21's belly plates IIRC.

Graham

Oh whoa, thanx Graham.

So the 21 has 2 gunpods at all times? Nice... B))

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I just really don't think the FAST-pack-less gunpods on the -21 are feasible on a toy. Space in the belly is so critical the thickness of the gear doors and tire tread is an issue. And there's supposed to be room for guns? You'd need massive doors and hinges in the belly plates, even if you did have room. The height of the doors alone would equal the depth of the belly. It can work in 1:1 scale with a bit of anime magic and the sliding doors Kawamori is oh-so-fond-of in the M+ and later valks. But not with simple hinged doors and 1:60 scale.

Basically--I think any attempt at doing so would so compromise the design, it'd end up looking worse than the original Yamato YF-21. Just skip it, and make the gunpods fast-pack only.

::lightbulb!::

Or possibly---make special "fighter mode only" gunpod parts---like, just the visible bottom half of the gunpods. Attach to the belly plates, and there you go. But trying to actually INSERT a full gunpod into the belly isn't going to happen.

But that would add extra parts and no respectable 20+ year old man can possibly keep track of all the parts for a toy he'll probably only transform enough times to count on one hand.

Impossible Propaganda I say!

(in all reality though it's great idea. It would cut down heavily on the kibble and look even better in fighter mode.)

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Are the arm guns on the 21 beam cannons or machine guns? coz as long as its armed, it doesnt really NEED the extra gunpods...I always liked the idea of the internal weaponry

The YF-21 arm mounted cannons are laser weapons. That's one reason I liked to YF-21 so much; it's excessively armed compared to all the other Valkyries. It's got two gunpods, two arm mounted laser cannons, one head mounted laser, and internal hardpoints. The YF-19 has a similar loadout except for a second gunpod, but the YF-19 does have extra ammunition clips for it's single gunpod.

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Yeah. The YF-21 gunpods aren't reloadable anyway, so it's pretty even.

The YF-21 gunpods are reloadable. They aren't disposable, requiring a newly built gunpod every time the mech comes back from a battle. They just aren't practical to reload in the field. You need at least some downtime to properly load the GV-17L gunpods. So combat conditions rule out reloading on the fly. Which is basically the same situation as the old GU-11s.

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The YF-21 gunpods are reloadable. They aren't disposable, requiring a newly built gunpod every time the mech comes back from a battle. They just aren't practical to reload in the field. You need at least some downtime to properly load the GV-17L gunpods. So combat conditions rule out reloading on the fly. Which is basically the same situation as the old GU-11s.

I kind of like the idea of a disposable gunpod. I can imagine a giant recycling bin at the hangar, that the pilot has to drop his spent pod in after a battle.

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The YF-21 gunpods are reloadable. They aren't disposable, requiring a newly built gunpod every time the mech comes back from a battle. They just aren't practical to reload in the field. You need at least some downtime to properly load the GV-17L gunpods. So combat conditions rule out reloading on the fly. Which is basically the same situation as the old GU-11s.

Which is pretty much what I meant. They are cartridge-less style gunpods. While not disposable, you could pretty much bet that the YF-21 would get rid of the Gunpod if it is spent, it's a common thing for pilots to do in anime. Screw the UN budget.

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Just wondering who has preordered this with the cheapest price so far? I preordered from HLJ with early bird price.

Check Godzilla's thread in the For Sale section. Great price.

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I'm still trying to figure out "who'll get it first--and can ship it to me first". Saw one person say Neova I think, for being close to Yamato's factory. Price isn't much of a concern--it'll be around 200 bucks regardless, +/- 10 bucks isn't worth a week or two of waiting for an ultra-fan of the YF-19 like myself.

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I'm still trying to figure out "who'll get it first--and can ship it to me first". Saw one person say Neova I think, for being close to Yamato's factory. Price isn't much of a concern--it'll be around 200 bucks regardless, +/- 10 bucks isn't worth a week or two of waiting for an ultra-fan of the YF-19 like myself

This thing will retail in Japan and the surrounding areas for $120 is my guess. Put a $20 mark up on it and ship it to the US and I'm thinking $170 should be the max price.

For those considering going to Neova, I think it took 4 days for his package to make it to me... I call that fast. I don't know his asking price at the moment, nor do I know how quick he gets things from Yamato, but if shipping time alone counts then I could vouch for him.

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How about that flying bicycle they use in the first scene.

I suppose when you say, "flying" you meant hovering. I do remember wheels were hugging the ground but the main bike itself was kind of suspended in mid-air without the aid of conventional shocks and springs but thru the use of what I assume to be magnets.

It would be nice to have something that gives all the 1/60th collection a sense of scale rather than the wingspan comparison.

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