1st Border Red Devil Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 It's still a plot element added by Robotech that wasn't present at any point in Macross, nor even hinted at in the official backstory. 395582[/snapback] And its not even in Robotech itself, but in the novels. The Tv series is pretty clear, thanks to flashbacks, that the SDF-1 is just a ship of the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 It's still a plot element added by Robotech that wasn't present at any point in Macross, nor even hinted at in the official backstory. 395582[/snapback] And its not even in Robotech itself, but in the novels. The Tv series is pretty clear, thanks to flashbacks, that the SDF-1 is just a ship of the line. 395624[/snapback] There were statements in Robotech to the effect that it wasn't entirely standard-fare as well. RT has a few continuity goofs in it beyond the infamous invisible SDF-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Zor made the ship in the novels I think. And it was like his masterpiece or something. Kinda like a 'alus' but for robotech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Zor made the ship in the novels I think. And it was like his masterpiece or something. Kinda like a 'alus' but for robotech. 395632[/snapback] Yeah. And hid the last protoculture matrix aboard it. Or something. Then rammed it into the Earth to restore the flower of life to... It's homeworld? Or just another world it could live on? I sold my novels many moons ago. The cartoon had it as a special ship(Hey, we can fold within an atmosphere!), and I THINK they had something about us having a protoculture generator. Again, it's been a while. Last time I saw it was during Cartoon Network's first run. And having content chopped out and then a whole third of the series dropped doesn't exactly help(I was only watching FOR the MOSPEADA portion, too...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) Really? How is that so? 395547[/snapback] Because, for one, the Japanese population is going into a decline, and two, the foreigner population in Japan is growing. Which means... more non-Japanese citizens, mixed children. Which means Japan is less and less homogenous. Although for all practical purposes, Japan is still homogenous enough that the word refers both to the nation and the race interchangeably as if the two were unseperable (which they won't be for long). Unless you consider the fact that all modern Japanese have the same ancestry as people from all over East Asia. So while they think they're a pure race they're really just mutts like the rest of us (although to a lesser extent). Edited May 2, 2006 by Raptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) Oh yeah there was a protoculture thingy inside the ship but nobody knew it at the time. Only by the time of southern cross did they think to look for whatever it was that made the SDF1 so special. Robotechnology is so mysterious! So many aliens need our PC to live. Can anyone tell me what PC actually is in robotech? Is it like anima spiritua but for machines known as robotechnology? What a huge mess. When I was a little kid I assumed robots used this magic energy source (transmitted wirelessly) from the flowers. Aliens had antennae sensitive to this energy and whenever you had it, they could kind of "smell it" like a cockroach to food and would come to take it for themselves. Has it changed since then? Edited May 2, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Can anyone tell me what PC actuall is in robotech? Is it like anima spiritua but for machines known as robotechnology? 395685[/snapback] Magic batteries. Seriously... something about putting flower of life seed pods in a stasis field and the seeds get pissed because they can't germinate and dump lots of energy while trying to break loose. And magic waves that let mecha transform, along with a lot of other wierd voodoo effects. That's what the novels said, anyways. I'm pretty sure the seeds in stasis part was from the cartoon, and the magic waves are novel-exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) As I say my memories = jumbled mess. HG need a robotech compendium if they don't want thier fans to go crazy. I do know though that the stealth fighters in NG were specifically created by humans to kind of 'block the waves' so the invid could not detect the use of protoculture and thus locate the position of a human. Normal alpha fighter = no stealth because of the way the invid can sense PC. That I definately remember as part of the series. And I remember the robotech masters were freaking out because they were low on PC reserves or something so they came to take from us. The strange thing is that I sometimes get confused because in macross zero don't they mention they have a special PC type radar to help them detect PC ruins? Haha. Now I am totally mixing things up by getting confused between PC in macross and PC in robo. Edited May 2, 2006 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 And I keep seeing PC and going "Why are we talking about personal computers now?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nied Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 IIRC in the Robotech cartoon Protoculture is a power source nothing more nothing less. It's somehow plant based but beyond that not much is explained about it (the whole stasis field preventing germination was a rationalization from the RRG). In the novels its some mystical magical energy like the force only plant based and it makes mecha change shape, powers thinking caps and all sorts of other nonsense. In the cartoon the pre-crash SDF-1 is just some battleship fitted out to whisk around some VIP scientist and his nifty gadgets (including the "protoculture matrix" whatever that is) on whatever little trips he might go on. In the novels it's some custom wanktastic ubership that was designed by Zor himself while huffing protoculture fumes. Or something. Really I never much liked some of the unnecessary bullsh*t they invented for the novels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 No RT allowed in my thread Besides, no one cares. hehehe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myk Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Seriously... something about putting flower of life seed pods in a stasis field and the seeds get pissed because they can't germinate and dump lots of energy while trying to break loose. Heh. Don't forget about the "pollinator" dogs, that helped develop the Flower of...oh, nevermind... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 And people wonder why we mock the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundown Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 IIRC in the Robotech cartoon Protoculture is a power source nothing more nothing less. It's somehow plant based but beyond that not much is explained about it (the whole stasis field preventing germination was a rationalization from the RRG). Actually, I believe it was first introduced and detailed in the graphic novel. I followed RT pretty avidly then, and it was supposed to be the first time they attempted to explain some of that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Punch Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Really? How is that so? 395547[/snapback] Because, for one, the Japanese population is going into a decline, and two, the foreigner population in Japan is growing. Which means... more non-Japanese citizens, mixed children. Which means Japan is less and less homogenous. 395684[/snapback] I figured that was what you were talking about. I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, but it'd be nice if you could give me some numbers (birth rate/immigration statistics). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 I COULD find them... they wouldn't be all that impressive but they would show a clear pattern. Researchers expect the population of Japan cut in half by 2050 or something (since there's an extremely low birth rate and a large elderly population). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 I COULD find them... they wouldn't be all that impressive but they would show a clear pattern.Researchers expect the population of Japan cut in half by 2050 or something (since there's an extremely low birth rate and a large elderly population). 395910[/snapback] LOL, well then I guess we should welcome Japan into the 21st Century of industrialized nations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) Except that their birthrate is the about lowest and they have the highest, longest-living eldery population. Edited May 2, 2006 by Raptor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Border Red Devil Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 I'm pretty sure the seeds in stasis part was from the cartoon395687[/snapback] Nope, thats Carl Macek's explanation from The Sentinels. The Tv series only states protoculture is used in some fashion (which is unexplained) in generating energy. It appears to be related (or involves) nuclear fusion. Everything else about it being mystical and such is crap from the novels. The Flower of Life, however, has at least 2 religions built around it (and is NOT the same thing as Protoculture): that of the Masters and Invid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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