Weapons Banter Thread

[myk]

It's alright I guess. It lost zero on me once though. I made a shot on paper. Made some adjustments (like only 4 clicks) and it was completely off paper and I couldn't find where it was hitting afterwards. This was only at 25 yards so 4 clicks shouldn't have made it go off paper.

I have a tru-glo as well, and I had better luck with mine. I really want an Aimpoint Pro or an EOtech 551 but.....ugh, so much money....

[badboy00z]

I have a tru-glo as well, and I had better luck with mine. I really want an Aimpoint Pro or an EOtech 551 but.....ugh, so much money....

Yes, very expensive for just a red dot. You should look into the the Vortex Strikefire and the Burris AR-332/536. They're called the poor man's Aim Point and ACOG by some people and they have gotten good reviews.

[myk]

Yes, very expensive for just a red dot. You should look into the the Vortex Strikefire and the Burris AR-332/536. They're called the poor man's Aim Point and ACOG by some people and they have gotten good reviews.

I've thought about those two but I don't want to feel like I've cheaped out on it. I dunno...

[Jasonc]

I've thought about those two but I don't want to feel like I've cheaped out on it. I dunno...

It's very tricky to find a place you can try new stuff out. No matter how much advertising, there are some products that are good for some, but not for others. With things like Eotech, Aimpoint, Trijicon, etc. (the bigger companies), lots of people swear by them simply because they've only used that one, or maybe a couple other options. In any case, it's hard to know how well those smaller brands hold up, especially when they aren't advertised as much. How much of it is ads vs. product quality, I don't know. I've found that in just going to the range and talking with fellow shooters, you'll find a wealth of information. Hell, I've even had a few that are willing to let you try what they have, and vice versa. I let one guy fire a few rounds from my Sig 516, and a month later, he bought one because of it. Likewise, I've been able to try a few add-ons from his setup. Maybe it's just that range, but so far, I've had great experience at the outdoor range. The only other similar experience up close with add-ons, is probably the gun shows. Still there are some things I'd like to try that nobody has. It's part of what makes this hobby expensive at times.

[badboy00z]

It's very tricky to find a place you can try new stuff out. No matter how much advertising, there are some products that are good for some, but not for others. With things like Eotech, Aimpoint, Trijicon, etc. (the bigger companies), lots of people swear by them simply because they've only used that one, or maybe a couple other options. In any case, it's hard to know how well those smaller brands hold up, especially when they aren't advertised as much. How much of it is ads vs. product quality, I don't know. I've found that in just going to the range and talking with fellow shooters, you'll find a wealth of information. Hell, I've even had a few that are willing to let you try what they have, and vice versa. I let one guy fire a few rounds from my Sig 516, and a month later, he bought one because of it. Likewise, I've been able to try a few add-ons from his setup. Maybe it's just that range, but so far, I've had great experience at the outdoor range. The only other similar experience up close with add-ons, is probably the gun shows. Still there are some things I'd like to try that nobody has. It's part of what makes this hobby expensive at times.

I find what you said especially true when it comes to finding holsters. It's like buying pants and not being able to try them out first and you just have pray it fits and that you like the feel of it. I went with a Galco Combat Master for my 1911 and at first I didn't like it very much but once it was broken in I really like it. Then I bought a Crossbreed Supertuck because my friend had one and he kept saying how good it was. I didn't like it at all and I spent close to a $100 for it. But carrying a full size 1911 IWB isn't the best idea either. lol

[Uxi]

I really want an ACOG for my ACR but I can't seem to let my 'fun fund' get much beyond a G before I burn it on something else. Pretty happy with the Aimpoint PRO but one of these days...

[azrael]

I really want an ACOG for my ACR but I can't seem to let my 'fun fund' get much beyond a G before I burn it on something else. Pretty happy with the Aimpoint PRO but one of these days...

New or Used? There are some used/mostly new Trijicon scopes running for about $850 on Ebay right now.

[Jasonc]

New or Used? There are some used/mostly new Trijicon scopes running for about $850 on Ebay right now.

The one thing I worry about, buying on ebay, is warranty, and if the item is truly new or a return and repackaged to look new. I want an ACOG as well, but I think I'm gonna wait till I get my tax money back.

[Uxi]

There's a lot of fakes. I've seen a few used that I was willing to spend on. I was VERY close to getting one on Lightfighter but then my old lady's transmission blew up and I had to fix that instead.

Trijicon is a pretty good company and I think they would take are of me. As long as it isn't stolen, which outside of fakes is the other big issue with used and deals too good to be true...

[shake]

New optic coming out from trijicon... it will be announced very soon

[peter]

Well I see one good thing about a mag disconnect safety is if you have young kids in the house. You can keep one in the chamber and the mag somewhere else so when you need it, just pop the mag in and shoot. Of course it is best to teach kids to respect and stay away from guns but not all kids absorb what you try to teach them. For the 1911 I can do without the thumb safety really. Some people don't like the grip safety but I do.

Man, kids and guns.....that debate could go on for hours. I guess when I have kids, I'll trust in the trigger lock and the safe (restricted firearms have to be double-locked in Canada) when their young. When they get older, I'll teach them safe-handling of firearms, maybe even put them in an official safety course. My opinion, education and familiarity is the best thing you can do to prevent negligent discharges. Edited January 18, 2013 by peter

[Uxi]

New optic coming out from trijicon... it will be announced very soon

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/01/trijicon-ccas-continuously-computed-aiming-solution/#axzz2I4WeTpN1

[shake]

http://www.ammoland..../#axzz2I4WeTpN1

No, Sir.

It's a variable power scope (1-6)" VCOG"

Edited January 19, 2013 by shake

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[Benson13]

Maaaaannn, do I love those Miniguns. There is just nothing those things don't chew up.

[peter]

Now that's my kind of Peace symbol on that WV Van.

Are those pics from Shot Show?

Edited January 19, 2013 by peter

[shake]

Now that's my kind of Peace symbol on that WV Van.

Are those pics from Shot Show?

It's the Magpul logo

All the pictures are from SHOT show 2013

[Uxi]

Love the 6/12 carrier. I retrofitted by Spartan II with First Spear's tubes cbun.

I would like to put an ARX-160 in my safe next to the ACR, as well. mmm

[Kyp Durron]

Brought this home from the local fun shop today:

Gen 4 G19 w/3 "normal capacity" 15 round mags, and a Korean made 31 round PW mag. I have two more of these on layaway, which is a good thing, since the large box full of them are already GONE. Paid $29 each for them which is a steal considering there are people selling them for $100 now...each.

I plan on having a backstrap reduction done later on to give a shorter trigger reach, but I can shoot it well enough as it is for now.

-Kyp

Edited January 20, 2013 by Kyp Durron

[Uxi]

I only ever really saw the use for the 33 rounders with a G18. Which in my dream world I would be able to own one day. Even though I know from experience that I would probably never use it. Ammo is too expensive and while area suppression is fun, by definition it's... lacking... in precision accuracy. I miss my Ma Deuce more than anything. :cry:

Today is gun appreciation day. I gave my ACR and a couple other weapons some love but didn't buy anything.

[shake]

FirstSpear's new vest for maritime

Edited January 20, 2013 by shake

[Kyp Durron]

I only ever really saw the use for the 33 rounders with a G18. Which in my dream world I would be able to own one day. Even though I know from experience that I would probably never use it. Ammo is too expensive and while area suppression is fun, by definition it's... lacking... in precision accuracy. I miss my Ma Deuce more than anything. :cry:

Today is gun appreciation day. I gave my ACR and a couple other weapons some love but didn't buy anything.

I typed 33 by mistake, these Korean PW versions are 31 round mags. I use these mags while at home, because I've never known anyone who wished they had fewer rounds in a self defense situation.

-Kyp

[Jasonc]

I haven't kept up with Glock, or any of the news on them, but why is it that California won't allow Gen. 4 Glocks? I'm sure it's something stupid, but can someone give me the rundown?

[Kyp Durron]

I haven't kept up with Glock, or any of the news on them, but why is it that California won't allow Gen. 4 Glocks? I'm sure it's something stupid, but can someone give me the rundown?

Glocks do not have a magazine safety, which became a requirement to be rostered in 2007. :-\

-Kyp

[anime52k8]

When you see it... you'll facepalm hardcore

really..... by •Braydenmaine •VRW•, on Flickr

Edited January 24, 2013 by anime52k8

[myk]

^^^Lol, no wonder he's having to really look into that optic. Anyway, I'm going to ask this question here because we're much more open-minded and tolerant than, let's say a gun forum:

If 1911's are so finicky when it comes to 'ammo, 'mags, often needing a "break-in" period and/or gunsmithing after purchasing to increase its reliability, how did the 1911 serve as the US military's primary sidearm for almost a century?

[peter]

I have no idea what you're talking about man, haha! My R1 shot straight right out of the box, I shoot cheap Norinco ammo ($310 CAD for 1,000 rnds of .45 ACP FMJ), and I picked up a couple of Wilson Combat mags just like the clerk suggested. What I found was that the factory mags fed just as well as the Wilson Combat ones, but one can never have too many mags, so I'm not fussed about buying a few extra.

I'm a crap shot but my 1911 practically shoots itself. I clean the thing religiously, but that's because I like to (I find it sort of therapeutic after a day at the range). Maybe it won't handle so well if I didn't clean it. I have a pal that NEVER cleans his Glock. In fact, he once put 2,000 rounds through without cleaning it once, just to see if it would still function, and it did. I'm not sure if my 1911 would do the same, but I just wouldn't do it. But then again, he got better groupings with my 1911 (after trying it just once) than he ever did in the three years he owned his Glock 19. He was slightly pissed.

[Jasonc]

^^^Lol, no wonder he's having to really look into that optic. Anyway, I'm going to ask this question here because we're much more open-minded and tolerant than, let's say a gun forum:

If 1911's are so finicky when it comes to 'ammo, 'mags, often needing a "break-in" period and/or gunsmithing after purchasing to increase its reliability, how did the 1911 serve as the US military's primary sidearm for almost a century?

Any gun worth its weight, should shoot out the box. Out of all the 1911s I've had in my hands, I've never had to break it in, or have had ANY sort of issues. Even the old 1914 made 1911s I had fired perfectly after 89 years before they went bye-bye. Sometimes, it's a "you get what you pay for", sometimes it's just a lemon, sometimes it's a simple fix that gets it going. I don't know about the brand you got, but I do have to admit that I haven't heard much about 1911s needing to be broken in. Did you strip it down and clean it before firing it? I've always done that to my guns when first getting them. Usually they are ready to go, but maybe it wasn't cleaned and oiled properly or at all? Sorry, just trying to brainstorm here without simply claiming you got a lemon.

[myk]

Any gun worth its weight, should shoot out the box. Out of all the 1911s I've had in my hands, I've never had to break it in, or have had ANY sort of issues. Even the old 1914 made 1911s I had fired perfectly after 89 years before they went bye-bye. Sometimes, it's a "you get what you pay for", sometimes it's just a lemon, sometimes it's a simple fix that gets it going. I don't know about the brand you got, but I do have to admit that I haven't heard much about 1911s needing to be broken in. Did you strip it down and clean it before firing it? I've always done that to my guns when first getting them. Usually they are ready to go, but maybe it wasn't cleaned and oiled properly or at all? Sorry, just trying to brainstorm here without simply claiming you got a lemon.

No, not at all, I'm open to ideas. I looked at the 1911 platform and decided I wanted to give it a try, but from my studies on the intrawebz I noticed that it didn't matter how much or how little people spent on their 1911's, or what brand of gun they bought; it always seemed like there were a lot of people having a "break-in" period that was always accompanied by discussions about these guns being finicky on what types of 'mags and 'ammo they used. Generally, the problems disappeared after 2-300 rounds of factory loaded, ball-type 'ammo. I went with the RIA because it didn't have any less or any more issues than the other brands that I read about, be it a Kimber, Colt, Les Bear, etc. I didn't feel comfortable dropping $1K or so on a gun that might have teething problems, so I bought the RIA just to see if I liked the platform. Now that I've decided that I like 1911's, maybe even more than my 92FS, the options I have before me are to see this gun through its break-in, take advantage of the warranty if I have to, or just buy a higher-end 1911 altogether. I have to say that I've only put 150 rounds through it, and the last range trip saw a lot fewer problems-maybe two, so this whole "break-in" thing might have some merit. For the next outing, I'm hoping my Wilson Combat 47D 'mags will help. Either way, I'm determined to have a 1911 I can trust my life with. I've talked to other 1911 owners who say that their gun is only a range toy, but to me that's ridiculous. If you can't trust your life to a weapon it's junk IMO.

And where the heck is Benson? Lol...

Edited January 25, 2013 by myk

[Jasonc]

Well, you definitely want to trust the weapon in a home defense situation. My USP is in my night stand drawer, ready to use at a moments notice, and after stripping it down, cleaning and re-lubing all the important parts of it, I feel I can trust that as a grab and go. That's good to hear, if your 1911 is straightening up for you (kinda sounds like a child that's learning to behave).

[peter]

I'd trust my 1911 with my life, that's for sure, but I think I would put that sort of trust in all of my firearms. That's why I take them to the range, and make sure they do the exact same thing every single time - put a hole where I want it.

That being said, I would probably never use any of my firearms for home defense. The stupid laws up here criminalize the victim more than the criminal in most cases. If some peice of $hit breaks into my place while I'm home, and all he has is a knife, I'd go to jail for putting a hole in his head with my 1911. I figure I'd have less than 2 seconds to decide what the guy was armed with and choose accordingly with what I defend my home with. It's sooo stupid. Of course, my firearms are all locked up (and in some cases, trigger locked and locked in a case) so by the time I get my locks open and a mag in the well, a round chambered and ready to rock and roll, I'm sure I'll have been stabbed or full of holes by then.

Edited January 25, 2013 by peter

[Benson13]

And where the heck is Benson? Lol...

I'm current on this thread, I just don't have any intelligent input. Most of this is about various types of civilian firearms and my experience in that is extremely limited. My experience lays in military small arms and their employment in urban environments.

Just something my Special Forces buddy and I are kicking around is opening up a gun store/home protection consulting business. Teaching people how to properly protect their home with their own firearms could be fun and personally rewarding. Like I'm doing some good in the world again.

[myk]

I'm current on this thread, I just don't have any intelligent input. Most of this is about various types of civilian firearms and my experience in that is extremely limited. My experience lays in military small arms and their employment in urban environments.

Just something my Special Forces buddy and I are kicking around is opening up a gun store/home protection consulting business. Teaching people how to properly protect their home with their own firearms could be fun and personally rewarding. Like I'm doing some good in the world again.

Lol, I just wanted to make sure you were still out there. I figured you were too busy doing the Halo thing anyway.

Are you guys switching to 1911's? I had heard the military would be making that move eventually, and that the Marines have already ordered a batch...

[Benson13]

Lol, I just wanted to make sure you were still out there. I figured you were too busy doing the Halo thing anyway.

Are you guys switching to 1911's? I had heard the military would be making that move eventually, and that the Marines have already ordered a batch...

Nope Halo is dead to me except on Mondays now.

So what do you guys think of the business idea? Do you think people would be interested in learning how to protect their own home by learning from a professional?