Weapons Banter Thread

[Noriko Takaya]

Oh yeah, Here is the finished lower for my new AR build.

[miles316]

Will Gas operated firearm function in a vacume like on the moon? People are going on about the first 4 minutes of Iron sky were the moon NAZIS shoots one of the astronauts; I know that a bullet can be fired in a vacume because the powder has its own oxidiser, and the bullet is sealed will the gas piston that chambers the next bullet operate?

[pfunk]

Will Gas operated firearm function in a vacume like on the moon? People are going on about the first 4 minutes of Iron sky were the moon NAZIS shoots one of the astronauts; I know that a bullet can be fired in a vacume because the powder has its own oxidiser, and the bullet is sealed will the gas piston that chambers the next bullet operate?

sure, the gasses have to go somewhere, ie into the chamber, then out into the atmosphere or lack there of

[badboy00z]

Just ordered the Sig P238

Can't wait to get it in my hands! lol

[peter]

Woah, thread back from the dead! Nice! The last time this thread was up, I was only able to contribute edged-weapons pictures, but since then, I got my PAL and just got into shooting. Also got a job that pays me to do it once in a while.

This is for work:

And these are for fun:

Edited March 20, 2012 by peter

[peter]

The AR is fun to shoot, especially with a CMMG .22lr drop in (save on ammo, haha!). I did this at 10 meters (32 feet and change):

I'm pretty new to shooting so it wasn't as neat as it could have been

Edited March 20, 2012 by peter

[badboy00z]

Were you trying to spell something at the bottom? lol

[JB0]

A bullet-hole signature? That's classy any way you slice it.

[peter]

Haha, I was trying to write my name.The first letter came out legible, but the rest, I just got lazy.

[Valkyrie Driver]

Check out the PWS Mk1 series rifles, they come in 5.56x45mm NATO, and .300 AAC Blackout. I want a Mk116 with a spare .300Blk barrel. The 5.65 nato and the .300blk are the same except for the barrel and chamber. No reduction in mag capacity and get this, more stopping power. Not to mention the subsonic round sounds like a gnat fart when suppressed. Only problem is that they cost about 1800 bucks.

As for California, I'm sorry to say, Warmsater, that an AR-15 like most of us are used to seeing, is not legal in California. here is a source I found, http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=ar15

It may be possible to purchase one out of state, but you'll need to look into that. I'm actually surprised that you could get a pistol. I hope that helped.

[Noriko Takaya]

[peter]

Am I the only one that can't see Noriko's pics?

[pfunk]

Am I the only one that can't see Noriko's pics?

I can see em, using google chrome at work

[505thAirborne]

I'm using google chrome too and can see the pics, not sure whats with Mozzilla Firefox these days. Amazing rifles guys, I wish my stuff wasn't still in CA, I miss firing my Lee Enfields & Garands!!

[peter]

I'm using google chrome too and can see the pics, not sure whats with Mozzilla Firefox these days. Amazing rifles guys, I wish my stuff wasn't still in CA, I miss firing my Lee Enfields & Garands!!

Yep, that fixed it....

[anime52k8]

I've been using Firefox this whole time and I was always able to see them.

[Jasonc]

Yeah, sorry to bring this up from the grave, but I knew this was here, and didn't want to let the older post go unnoticed. Just got a couple new items. I've been out of the firearms sport for sometime, but with the thought of possibly having a child in the near future, and moving into a house, I figured it's time to "reacquaint" myself with them. I used to own a tricked out Glock 17, 19, and two sequential numbered Colt 1911s from 1914 in near perfect condition. Anyways, while I've long since let those go, Here are my new upcoming purchases.

First up, the FNH 57. Had a chance to test this out, and while the round is a small diameter round, it is basically a NATO rifle round in a handgun. It's a beast.

Then, I went ahead and purchased a Sig 516. While I'm not a big fan of the bullet button (thanks California dips!@t politicians) I heard there's workarounds and loopholes to this, such as homemade rifle stock, and that sort of thing. If anyone has the lowdown on any of that, I'd really like to know. I think both of these combined make a pretty formidable defense against riots, criminals, and the zombie apocalypse.

I do have a Chinese SKS rifle as well, and have seen some interesting aftermarket rifle stocks, such as a bullpup setup, and some others with adjustable and collapsible stock. Anybody have a preference? I haven't tried the bullpup setup, but the tight grip space of the trigger and forearm on the rifle seem intriguing.

Edited August 21, 2012 by Jasonc

[myk]

The bullet button is actually pretty easy to get around, I am told. A friend of mine, who claims to have a collection spanning 40 individual firearms, mostly CA legal rifles, tells me that someone with a long enough of a fingernail could activate the button. There are the work-arounds like the custom stock, a ring with a protrusion that can reach inside of the button's cavity, for example. My friend says he just uses the tip of a bullet to activate it, of all things. Then, he told me about this: http://www.riflegear.com/p-489-ar15-bullet-button-wrench.aspx, or something like it.

Did you hear about the bill that was trying to handicap guns and their buyers even further by eliminating the bullet button altogether? My gun friend told me that particular bill was soundly defeated just last week, but there are more bills like it on the way. Because of this, I am going to step up and buy that AR-15 style rifle I've always wanted, because I'm just not sure how much longer these guns will be available to us legally. Do you have any suggestions on what to get? Mind you I'm not trying to buy some tricked out, Delta-Force-ready wonder weapon that costs $5K, just a good, solid AR-15 type of a gun that'll keep the looters/zombies at bay...

[Jasonc]

The bullet button is actually pretty easy to get around, I am told. A friend of mine, who claims to have a collection spanning 40 individual firearms, mostly CA legal rifles, tells me that someone with a long enough of a fingernail could activate the button. There are the work-arounds like the custom stock, a ring with a protrusion that can reach inside of the button's cavity, for example. My friend says he just uses the tip of a bullet to activate it, of all things. Then, he told me about this: http://www.riflegear...ton-wrench.aspx, or something like it.

Did you hear about the bill that was trying to handicap guns and their buyers even further by eliminating the bullet button altogether? My gun friend told me that particular bill was soundly defeated just last week, but there are more bills like it on the way. Because of this, I am going to step up and buy that AR-15 style rifle I've always wanted, because I'm just not sure how much longer these guns will be available to us legally. Do you have any suggestions on what to get? Mind you I'm not trying to buy some tricked out, Delta-Force-ready wonder weapon that costs $5K, just a good, solid AR-15 type of a gun that'll keep the looters/zombies at bay...

It's funny that you'd mention the link on riflegear, I just bought two of them for that purpose. As for What AR-15 to buy, it's really hard to suggest one for someone. Everybody like the same generalities of the rifle, or carbine (which is more accurate), but it's what you want afterwards that starts makng the difference. I bought mine because I simply wanted one that field tested well, and the sig sauer 516 had great test in mud, water, and so on, and still fired A LOT of rounds. I also liked the quad rail, which leaves a lot of space for adding great accessories. I'm not going to go all out and trick it out, but I do want a a few things, and that setup will allow them to easily be installed. There's also two different firing types, and different firing types have different "supposed" drawbacks", but definitely do research first, and hold them in your hands. I suggest going to a reputable gun store, and just asking the questions. They do range from $900 to $3000, Mine was $1500. I'm going to learn this gun inside and out, and next, I'll be building my own.

Honestly though, I think I'm more happy about the FNH 57. It fires a 5.7 x 28 NATO round, and is one of the most accurate handguns I've ever fired. Like I said above, slim round, but what's behind the round is beefy for a handgun. When this comes in, I'm definitely going to put some rounds through it.

[southpaw]

The elegance of a sword combined with the accuracy of a gun...

Triple Sword!!!

makes me wish somebody makes a live action sci fi fantasy movie about gunswords gunblades etc.

[Chowser]

If getting an AR for the first time, buy complete. If not, build your own. It is a learning experience. My first was a S&W MP15T right before the current president was elected. The L.E. dealer offered me a price I couldn't refuse. Since then I have built three of my own (all mid-length gas system). I am still waiting on the ATF for my SBR tax stamp before I build my 10.5". And it will be a little longer since I am in the process of rebuilding.

If I am able to, I will get a suppressor for it that will work with both 5.56 and 300BLK.

[Jasonc]

Does anyone here have an SKS rifle? If so, anyone familiar with this aftermarket stock for it? Looks comfy, but not sure about it. I don't want to buy it if it's not worth it, or isn't going to make the gun I have already, a better piece overall. If not, I'm looking at some other stocks that are more conventional, but still lighten it up, and will allow for some extras.

[Benson13]

The AR is fun to shoot, especially with a CMMG .22lr drop in (save on ammo, haha!). I did this at 10 meters (32 feet and change):

I'm pretty new to shooting so it wasn't as neat as it could have been

You seem to have missed center mass. I recommend adjusting your front sight post. J/K. Great shooting.

[peter]

You seem to have missed center mass. I recommend adjusting your front sight post. J/K. Great shooting.

Haha, thanks. That was done at 10 meters, with my crappy red dot (no magnification). I'm a terrible shot, especially with the pistol. Just gotta get used it I guess, and practice more. I watched Magpul Dynamics Precision Rifle and never felt more stupid in my life. They were using terminology and techniques that were beyond me by leaps and bounds and I just had no idea what they were talking about half the time. Oh well, maybe in time, it will all mean something to me. I've also gotten a few new toys since that pic: The Remington 870 and the Remington R1 are both new. Also, last week I bought a GSG 1911, will post some pics of that when I pick it up. Edited September 21, 2012 by peter

[Benson13]

Looks like you got all your bases covered there Peter. Shooting takes practice and sticking to the fundementals will keep you on point. Don't worry about all those fancy techniques you see on TV and the intercoursenet, some are useful, most aren't.

For me all my experience is from military weapons. I'm good enough with a rifle, but I can make art with the M240B and M249. Unfortunately I don't get to play with those anymore because of my duty position. I bought my first civilian firearm about a year and change ago. So clown decided it would be cool to leave a bomb at the mall I take my family to. I take my XD40 anywhere I can legally especially after that Aurora shooting that killed 2 of my coworkers and wounded a few others. Remember kids, exercise your 2nd Amendment rights or don't cry when you're unprepared for something bad that happens.

[Jasonc]

Looks like you got all your bases covered there Peter. Shooting takes practice and sticking to the fundementals will keep you on point. Don't worry about all those fancy techniques you see on TV and the intercoursenet, some are useful, most aren't.

For me all my experience is from military weapons. I'm good enough with a rifle, but I can make art with the M240B and M249. Unfortunately I don't get to play with those anymore because of my duty position. I bought my first civilian firearm about a year and change ago. So clown decided it would be cool to leave a bomb at the mall I take my family to. I take my XD40 anywhere I can legally especially after that Aurora shooting that killed 2 of my coworkers and wounded a few others. Remember kids, exercise your 2nd Amendment rights or don't cry when you're unprepared for something bad that happens.

Geez, man, that's some heavy stuff. I am thinking of, in near future, getting a conceal & carry. It should be helpful that I work for LAPD (civilian position), and had to do the same background checks and same interview processes that are in place for officers. My other option, is possibly going to reserve officer status. I'd be able to get some good training from that, and even do some patrol on a mid watch.

[Benson13]

I don't think I could ever be in LE again, I've lost almost all faith in humanity. It's not like you ever get to deal with normal human beings. They're always out of sorts if you're with the victim or you're dealing with the scum of the Earth. It wears on you emotionally and if you have a family they're the ones that really pay the price.

[peter]

Looks like you got all your bases covered there Peter. Shooting takes practice and sticking to the fundementals will keep you on point. Don't worry about all those fancy techniques you see on TV and the intercoursenet, some are useful, most aren't. For me all my experience is from military weapons. I'm good enough with a rifle, but I can make art with the M240B and M249. Unfortunately I don't get to play with those anymore because of my duty position. I bought my first civilian firearm about a year and change ago. So clown decided it would be cool to leave a bomb at the mall I take my family to. I take my XD40 anywhere I can legally especially after that Aurora shooting that killed 2 of my coworkers and wounded a few others. Remember kids, exercise your 2nd Amendment rights or don't cry when you're unprepared for something bad that happens.

Hi Benson,

Thanks for advice. I'm fairly new to shooting, let off my first round earlier this year and I've been hooked ever since. I got into civilian fierarms about the same time I got to do it for work (during my basic course) and discovered it was a pretty steep learning curve. I'm a pretty crappy shot, but I've got an open mind and I try to learn as much as I can. Also, my trade in the military won't get me to the pointy end very often, but I get to have a bit of fun on courses and exercises. Here's a shot of me on a recent ex with a pal that I met:

And another pic of me with some fun stuff on the same ex:

Sorry to hear about your friends, and the incident at the mall. That totally blows. I'd carry too if I could, but it's not likely that will ever happen where I live. Good luck man.

[Jasonc]

Those look like .50 cal. rounds Good times for sure.

[peter]

Those look like .50 cal. rounds Good times for sure.

Yeah, can you beleive they pay us to do this stuff?? The last time I checked at Cabela's, 50 rounds will cost you a Yammie 1/48 and change.

[myk]

Well I took the plunge today. I bought a Ruger 556E and a Bushmaster XT15. How the hell did I go from zero guns to two of them? Now, I realize I'm a complete noob here, but in the store, shouldn't these guns have their safeties on? Not only that, what's with people practically waving the guns around, pointing them everywhere like they're flags or something? The only thing I know about gun safety is that if you aren't shooting at something you're pointing the gun down and away from everyone, but then again what do I know? All the gun play I've ever had was in Call of Duty. The gun buying experience was kind of unnerving-hopefully I won't have to do this again...

[Benson13]

Well I took the plunge today. I bought a Ruger 556E and a Bushmaster XT15. How the hell did I go from zero guns to two of them? Now, I realize I'm a complete noob here, but in the store, shouldn't these guns have their safeties on? Not only that, what's with people practically waving the guns around, pointing them everywhere like they're flags or something? The only thing I know about gun safety is that if you aren't shooting at something you're pointing the gun down and away from everyone, but then again what do I know? All the gun play I've ever had was in Call of Duty. The gun buying experience was kind of unnerving-hopefully I won't have to do this again...

LMFAO. Just let the weakest links take care of themselves. Good news is, you've just seen the tip of the iceberg. Wait until you go to a public range. I just about had a PTSD flipout session on a whole group of people who should've been suck starting their pistols.

[Jasonc]

Well I took the plunge today. I bought a Ruger 556E and a Bushmaster XT15. How the hell did I go from zero guns to two of them? Now, I realize I'm a complete noob here, but in the store, shouldn't these guns have their safeties on? Not only that, what's with people practically waving the guns around, pointing them everywhere like they're flags or something? The only thing I know about gun safety is that if you aren't shooting at something you're pointing the gun down and away from everyone, but then again what do I know? All the gun play I've ever had was in Call of Duty. The gun buying experience was kind of unnerving-hopefully I won't have to do this again...

That's the rule of thumb, and the considerate thing to do. I get thoroughly annoyed seeing people at the gun shop, waving potential purchases around like morons. When I held all the ar-15s at the store, I kept them all pointed towards the ground, especially when feeling the trigger. I'm by no means a "veteran" when it comes to guns. Like I said, I did have a few back in the day, but owning them and being a master of weapons is very different. Still, simple etiquite and courtesy when handling firearms, loaded and unloaded is a good value to have early on.

[peter]

Well I took the plunge today. I bought a Ruger 556E and a Bushmaster XT15. How the hell did I go from zero guns to two of them? Now, I realize I'm a complete noob here, but in the store, shouldn't these guns have their safeties on? Not only that, what's with people practically waving the guns around, pointing them everywhere like they're flags or something? The only thing I know about gun safety is that if you aren't shooting at something you're pointing the gun down and away from everyone, but then again what do I know? All the gun play I've ever had was in Call of Duty. The gun buying experience was kind of unnerving-hopefully I won't have to do this again...

That's crazy man. I've never seen any nut jobs at a gun shop doing anything stupid like waiving it around and pointing it in any unsafe directions, and if they did, I'm sure they'd get asked to leave. That's not to say it's never happened, but I've just never seen it. Everytime I go to a gun shop, I always get the vibe that the staff are extremely serious and don't tolerate stupidity. Most shops won't even let you touch the hardware unless you show that you have your PAL (gun license in Canada) which requires the holder to have taken a safety course or at least have studied the material. Also, I know that the ranges have banned people for unsafe handling of firearms, so it seldom happens.

Now, as far as fire control is concerned, I don't think it's crucial to have it switched to safe, but before passing any firearm from one person to another, the firearm should at the very least always be cleared by the person doing the passing. The onus is then on the person who receives a firearm to inspect it and make sure it's clear. That being said, it couldn't hurt to have it switched to safe, or at least attempt to switch it to safe (in some firearms, you can't engage the safety unless you've racked the bolt first).

[Chowser]

I hate going to gun shops because of that. I usually just order my guns through my (now retired) boss. He gives them to me at wholesale price and doesn't charge me to transfer it.

last lower build was earlier this year, pre-summer. and the other lower is also pre-Spring and built, just waiting on ATF stamp for SBR (building it as 10.5" for suppressing later)

nothing to slap on either of them yet as I am in the process of rebuilding my life. probably just doing 5.56 for both. was thinking of 300BLK, but 5.56 ammo is easier to obtain (and cheaper).

on a fun note, I got these three in from the milsurplus program for work. all three have been registered as machine guns (they are full auto) and once the chief gives me my budget, this will be rebuilt with 12.5" uppers (for fitting in the cruisers)