do not disturb Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 nothing much to report. i still have not gotten my refund and i doubt he'll issue one. he knew exactly what he was doing as this was his first reply in paypal's dispute resolution center.... From Seller: York Hill Chan on 12/3/2007 16:01 PST Freind, just let u know that u are unable to claim through paypal because they just care about did we ship the items to u but not the item damage or not? Just share with u. its cool though, its was a $200+ lesson and its a lesson well learned. my main concern was that no one else on these boards(or any other fan site) would end up in the same situation as me and this experience ensures it. toy-wave did it to himself and now that the cats out of the bag, i'm sure more and more people will report the same kinds of problems, issues, and shady business practices they've experienced when shopping with toy-wave. i paid using paypal. the funds were transferred from my CC but in the end, the CC company said it was technically a paypal payment so theres not much they could do for me. but like i said, i'm already over it. hes on the blacklist, i doubt he'll ever be taken off, and most importantly he won't get best of another MW'er any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coko128 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I want to say thank you very much to do not disturb. He told us a real world story that may happen to anyone of us. He shared much useful information with us from PayPal. It certainly helps us stay away from future hassle and dispute with some bad sellers. It is my pleasure to join this conservation. To be part of the community, I want to share another story I found out from eBay recently. I like VE-1 and I constantly searching on eBay to find there is any good deal around. Keep in mind, I have no relationship with gopengo and I never do any business with him. I only share what I see to all of you. Recently, I found out gopengo acting dishonestly and try to fool the good buyer like us. gopengo posted his VE-1 on eBay for $899.99 + shipping. The auction was over on 12/2/07 and no one bidding on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Bandai-Hi-Metal-M...emZ280178410809 gopengo relisted his VE-1 on eBay for the same price $899.99 + shipping. The auction was over on 12/9/07 and no one bidding on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Bandai-Hi-Metal-M...emZ280180915208 HERE IS WHAT I THINK HE ACTS DISHONEST. HE RAISED HIS PRICE FOR $100 BUT HE LETS PEOPLE MAKING OFFER. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOUR OFFER MATCHES UP $899.99, HE WILL SELL HIS VE-1 TO YOU. gopengo posted his VE-1 again on eBay for $999.00 + shipping. The auction will over on 12/20/07. So far there is one potential victim may fall into his trap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=280184081662 I visually examine his VE-1 many times. There are some obvious flaws there. The best I can give is C9. We all know C9 is not the same as C10. He called C9 as NEW on his eBay auction. I think it is another evidence to show he is a dishonest seller. I NOMINATE gopengo AS A BAD SELLER on the list of Dangard Ace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightmareB4macross Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I want to say thank you very much to do not disturb. He told us a real world story that may happen to anyone of us. He shared much useful information with us from PayPal. It certainly helps us stay away from future hassle and dispute with some bad sellers. It is my pleasure to join this conservation. To be part of the community, I want to share another story I found out from eBay recently. I like VE-1 and I constantly searching on eBay to find there is any good deal around. Keep in mind, I have no relationship with gopengo and I never do any business with him. I only share what I see to all of you. Recently, I found out gopengo acting dishonestly and try to fool the good buyer like us. gopengo posted his VE-1 on eBay for $899.99 + shipping. The auction was over on 12/2/07 and no one bidding on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Bandai-Hi-Metal-M...emZ280178410809 gopengo relisted his VE-1 on eBay for the same price $899.99 + shipping. The auction was over on 12/9/07 and no one bidding on it. http://cgi.ebay.com/1984-Bandai-Hi-Metal-M...emZ280180915208 HERE IS WHAT I THINK HE ACTS DISHONEST. HE RAISED HIS PRICE FOR $100 BUT HE LETS PEOPLE MAKING OFFER. OBVIOUSLY, IF YOUR OFFER MATCHES UP $899.99, HE WILL SELL HIS VE-1 TO YOU. gopengo posted his VE-1 again on eBay for $999.00 + shipping. The auction will over on 12/20/07. So far there is one potential victim may fall into his trap. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=280184081662 I visually examine his VE-1 many times. There are some obvious flaws there. The best I can give is C9. We all know C9 is not the same as C10. He called C9 as NEW on his eBay auction. I think it is another evidence to show he is a dishonest seller. I NOMINATE gopengo AS A BAD SELLER on the list of Dangard Ace. Coko, Did you purchase something from gopengo and get reamed? I just don't understand why you keep pursuing this issue. It is completely irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterryno Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Coko, Did you purchase something from gopengo and get reamed? I just don't understand why you keep pursuing this issue. It is completely irrelevant. Yes true. Unless you purchased something and then got screwed then there is no reason for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coko128 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 No, I did not buy anything from gopengo. I have no relationship with him. I never rename my Macross World ID or eBay ID. My purpose is sharing a REAL STORY to all of you and hope none of us get trapped from a dishonest seller. May I ask in your opinion, the way gopengo sells his VE-1 is honest or dishonest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterryno Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 No, I did not buy anything from gopengo. I have no relationship with him. I never rename my Macross World ID or eBay ID. My purpose is sharing a REAL STORY to all of you and hope none of us get trapped from a dishonest seller. May I ask in your opinion, the way gopengo sells his VE-1 is honest or dishonest? Well my friend. Thanks for the heads up, but this thread is for Bad Sellers not for dishonest selling parctices. If you had boughten from him and gotten screwed he could be nominated here but if you have not boughten anything and just want to warn people of the possibility of this person being dishonest then that is a kind gesture but needs to be put in a different thread. THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr March Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) i paid using paypal. the funds were transferred from my CC but in the end, the CC company said it was technically a paypal payment so theres not much they could do for me. I see. Well it was a thought. Typically, credit card companies and e-stores have a non-signature loop hole. Unless there is some back end agreement (like there appears to be between the credit card company and PayPal), the credit card company will always refund to their card holders unless presented with a signed sales slip. Without it, the vendor is on the hook, even if e-mails and electronic receipts were exchanged. The credit card company always said "if there is no signed sales slip, we side with our card holders." But in this case, it appears the credit card company defers the transaction to PayPal jurisdiction. Lousy. Edited December 14, 2007 by Mr March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coko128 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I appreciate for your comment. Thanks. Well my friend. Thanks for the heads up, but this thread is for Bad Sellers not for dishonest selling parctices. If you had boughten from him and gotten screwed he could be nominated here but if you have not boughten anything and just want to warn people of the possibility of this person being dishonest then that is a kind gesture but needs to be put in a different thread. THANKS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp Durron Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Jesus Christ, Do Not Disturb, you didn't get screwed, you got RAPED! With no Vaseline, no first kiss, and not even a good ol' fashoned complementary reach-around! > Not only do I think that Toy-Wave should be on the Blacklist permanently, they should also be forever banned from these forums. -Kyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zar Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Well, I believe I have to say what I think. I´ve been dealing with Ken for almost a year and bought at least once or twice a month from him. I never had a bad experience, usually items were shipped within 4 days of receiving payment, so I really don´t have anything to complain about. I understand the dissapointment of getting a damage toy, but I think this is too much. I thinks it´s quite clear that this is some kind of factory issue, I mean, Ken can´t go revising every box of every item he has searchig for factory flaws and such. I think this is the case of a bad tempered customer who just can´t deal with the fact that he is going to have to wait more for his toy to get to him, and I don´t understand why is he trying to ruin Ken (I mean, why do you have to put such a thing on your frigging sign? this is just too much) SO please MW´ers I call for some sense and please think this over, this is a good trustable seller, and I think the community needs to support him on this one rather than supporting a BAD TEMPERED customer who is just angry, besides... Ken showed good will in trying to solve the problem, either by replacing the item or by offering a refund as I read in some post earlier. We don´t need to crucify our good sellers, or else we might earn the tittle of the bad (and ever complaining) people of macrossworld. Please.. just think about this. Zar. P/d: sorry do not disturb, I´m not trying to attack you, but I think your attitude is definitely wrong. I hope your situation has a satisfactory end for you and for Ken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nukatsuka Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Did you read all of the posts? From what I read the seller refuses to even offer a refund after receiving the item back. I say you cant double dip. Cant keep the toy that was sent back and keep the money. The refund should be given. Please correct me if Im wrong. Well, I believe I have to say what I think. I´ve been dealing with Ken for almost a year and bought at least once or twice a month from him. I never had a bad experience, usually items were shipped within 4 days of receiving payment, so I really don´t have anything to complain about. I understand the dissapointment of getting a damage toy, but I think this is too much. I thinks it´s quite clear that this is some kind of factory issue, I mean, Ken can´t go revising every box of every item he has searchig for factory flaws and such. I think this is the case of a bad tempered customer who just can´t deal with the fact that he is going to have to wait more for his toy to get to him, and I don´t understand why is he trying to ruin Ken (I mean, why do you have to put such a thing on your frigging sign? this is just too much) SO please MW´ers I call for some sense and please think this over, this is a good trustable seller, and I think the community needs to support him on this one rather than supporting a BAD TEMPERED customer who is just angry, besides... Ken showed good will in trying to solve the problem, either by replacing the item or by offering a refund as I read in some post earlier. We don´t need to crucify our good sellers, or else we might earn the tittle of the bad (and ever complaining) people of macrossworld. Please.. just think about this. Zar. P/d: sorry do not disturb, I´m not trying to attack you, but I think your attitude is definitely wrong. I hope your situation has a satisfactory end for you and for Ken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misterryno Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Did you read all of the posts? From what I read the seller refuses to even offer a refund after receiving the item back. I say you cant double dip. Cant keep the toy that was sent back and keep the money. The refund should be given. Please correct me if Im wrong. If that SOB is gonna keep the money as well, they'll just half to remember that karma will come back for them...maybe not today...maybe not tomorrow....maybe not even for a few years...but when they least expect it....BLAM.....hit by a truck EDIT: By this I am not saying I THINK anything bad should happen to this person.......But I'm NOT karma. Edited December 14, 2007 by misterryno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zar Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 all BS aside, shipping times, claims, and all that other madness, one fact still remains.... YOU SHIPPED ME A USED/BROKEN TOY! my only 2 responsibilities as a buyer are 1. to place the order. 2. pay in a timely fashion. thats the only thing i can do as a buyer. whatever the case maybe, the reason i asked for the refund is this... QUOTE Hi Item has received and now we are investigating on weather should send u a refund or replacement of new ones We have open the box and those defects you refer is not that conspicuous as we expected, but we will refer this to Yamato HK for anexchange Also even we are able to send the exchange item to u, it will reach over your side after new year because the post cut off date to US closed today. i placed my order on november 15th, its now december 13th but now they want me to wait another month to get what i paid for. maybe i'm crazy but anyone else see something wrong with this? -------------------- BEFORE YOU PURCHASE ANYTHING FROM THE LIKES OF TOY-WAVE, PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THIS THREAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eriku Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 (edited) Well, I believe I have to say what I think. I´ve been dealing with Ken for almost a year and bought at least once or twice a month from him. I never had a bad experience, usually items were shipped within 4 days of receiving payment, so I really don´t have anything to complain about. I understand the dissapointment of getting a damage toy, but I think this is too much. I thinks it´s quite clear that this is some kind of factory issue, I mean, Ken can´t go revising every box of every item he has searchig for factory flaws and such. I think this is the case of a bad tempered customer who just can´t deal with the fact that he is going to have to wait more for his toy to get to him, and I don´t understand why is he trying to ruin Ken (I mean, why do you have to put such a thing on your frigging sign? this is just too much) SO please MW´ers I call for some sense and please think this over, this is a good trustable seller, and I think the community needs to support him on this one rather than supporting a BAD TEMPERED customer who is just angry, besides... Ken showed good will in trying to solve the problem, either by replacing the item or by offering a refund as I read in some post earlier. We don´t need to crucify our good sellers, or else we might earn the tittle of the bad (and ever complaining) people of macrossworld. Please.. just think about this. Zar. P/d: sorry do not disturb, I´m not trying to attack you, but I think your attitude is definitely wrong. I hope your situation has a satisfactory end for you and for Ken. I'd like to hear your explanation of how clear nail polish on a joint is a "factory issue". And please list links and/or references to your research in this matter. Please also show us where DND was offered a refund. Edited December 14, 2007 by eriku Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Zar, do me a solid and send me $200 in toy-waves behalf then i'll gladly remove my sig and ask for Ken to be un-blacklisted....yeah i didn't think so. i'm sure Ken contacted you and asked you to post something on his behalf but i'm tell ya right now, you're making it worse. i said i was over it, i wasn't lying when i said that. he can keep my $200 and lose about 2000 customers, i don't care one way or the other. the balls in his court but at this point i don't think anyone on this board cares if he sends the refund or not, myself included. the guy has proven to be untrustworthy so he might as well just keep my $200, keep the used POS he sold me, and go on with his life as i will with mine. really i'm over it, you should get over it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangard Ace Posted December 14, 2007 Author Share Posted December 14, 2007 Actually I'm waiting to see what he does next. If he a) takes one of his existing stock and sends you a replacement immediately so you don't have to wait for Yamato HK or b) if he makes you wait for Yamato HK to verify the one item is damaged before sending you a replacement. If he does a) then taking him off the Blacklist is almost a definite. If it's b) then it's your call because you're the affected party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream Man Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 See, this comesasa shock to me. I have bought....Lord, I dont even know how much from him. 3/4 of my Saint Seiya collection, my SV-51, My Nora will be from him, both my YF-19's and 4 of my 6 VF-0'S, My Cm Parlabor, i think some transformers..... i have never had a problem with him. i had a damaged Zero A, told him, sent it back and he swapped it, no hassles. i admit, i have had a few boxes with crushed corners, but never to the point where it would damage the toy. Im not saying whats happeend to DND is right or fair or anythign like that. i just offer the observations of a long time customer; over 30 or so purchases and no complaints at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twoducks Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 DnD, this is incredible. You wait a lot of time after paying full EMS price, you get a $hit toy ('cause those pics sure as hell aren't from a factory QC problem), you have to pay the return shipping and to top it all off the seller puts a claim against you in Paypal!! Item and service have not been good, the item has been returned so a refund should be made immediately.... Each second that refund isn't made more credibility is lost. Tic-toc Toy-wave, tic-toc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Well, I believe I have to say what I think. I´ve been dealing with Ken for almost a year and bought at least once or twice a month from him. I never had a bad experience, usually items were shipped within 4 days of receiving payment, so I really don´t have anything to complain about. I understand the dissapointment of getting a damage toy, but I think this is too much. I thinks it´s quite clear that this is some kind of factory issue, I mean, Ken can´t go revising every box of every item he has searchig for factory flaws and such. I think this is the case of a bad tempered customer who just can´t deal with the fact that he is going to have to wait more for his toy to get to him, and I don´t understand why is he trying to ruin Ken (I mean, why do you have to put such a thing on your frigging sign? this is just too much) SO please MW´ers I call for some sense and please think this over, this is a good trustable seller, and I think the community needs to support him on this one rather than supporting a BAD TEMPERED customer who is just angry, besides... Ken showed good will in trying to solve the problem, either by replacing the item or by offering a refund as I read in some post earlier. We don´t need to crucify our good sellers, or else we might earn the tittle of the bad (and ever complaining) people of macrossworld. Please.. just think about this. Zar. P/d: sorry do not disturb, I´m not trying to attack you, but I think your attitude is definitely wrong. I hope your situation has a satisfactory end for you and for Ken. did you read the posts, or look at the pictures? There's clearly nail polish on the wing hinges. I seriously doubt that's factory fresh. And DnD has been a long time and active poster here who has been very calm and cool even when he's had crap unfairly thrown his way. Frankly, I don't care if 9 out of 10 customers got their orders on time if the 10th customer is going to get treated this way. No way am I taking a chance on being the tenth guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 As a member I side with DND... but as a mod I think we should all refrain from escalating the situation any further and see how it plays out. Both parties involved should keep us updated with any developments and everyone else should keep out. There's enough here for people to be wary of dealing with Toy-Wave. And as DND already stated, let's not turn this into a witch hunt. Also, I gotta say coko128, that's enough of your weird crusade against gopengo. You've never dealt with him so you can't just sign up to this forum JUST to blacklist him. And people, please! make sure you record every communication of your transactions good or bad. And make it easier for DA or any of the mods to figure out the SSL and Blacklisted people. DND did a good job documenting his loss, but there's too many other people that get screwed and you can't ask a mod to be judge and jury based on your pleas. We can only go by burden of proof, we're not here to take sides. You can't bribe us with toys or money... but you sure can try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Ageed. Speaking in general there is a chance that all good sellers could go bad. Unlike big companies the small fries can only suck so many loses before they try to pass them on to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker773 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 and i was about to order a few valks from them...ergh.. guess i'll stick with hlj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valkyrie13 Posted December 15, 2007 Share Posted December 15, 2007 yes yamato only uses one piece of tape, 4 pieces in total, one piece on each side of the plastic tray. considering what i know now, he definitely shipped you a lemon and figured you'd never pay to have it shipped back. and if you did ship it back, he'd would've probably screwed you out of your money and the item, just like he did to me. sorry i didn't have time to name them and post a blurb under each one, i got this job that expects me to work time to time. yes those are pics of the 4 re-taped sides, nail polished areas, as well as the missile attachment points that are all 'stress white' from when someone who didn't know what they were doing, forced the missiles onto it. whatevs, i'm over it. i knew something like this would happen. 2007 has not been a good year for me in many ways, this is just icing on the cake. This may belong in another topic but since it was discussed, let me share with you what is considered acceptable as a matter of sell-buy practice in Hong Kong. When I go visit a toy store in Hong Kong, I generally looking for a bargain. Sometimes, I will buy a toy in a box that was opened and retaped (or just with the first tape cut open). These often sell at a huge discount to new toys even though the parts may be complete and the inner plastic bags sealed. The ones that are really "mint" will fetch the price that a "NEW" toy deserves. Other times, the stores will sell you an item on display if it's unique, rare or just very sought after (e.g., Master Replicas Limited Signature Editions of Star Wars gadgets). I try to barter the price down since it was open and on display (although in a locked glass cabinet) and often succeed. Here's the interesting part... Some sellers will offer to sell you something that is "mint" and "new" and it is indeed just that. However, I get a chance to inspect the content inside and to do so, the seller will have to cut open the tape sealing the box, the tape sealing the plastic containers or bags inside the box. They do all this, and if I find nothing wrong, then clearly I have to buy it. If I find a flaw or a QC issue or otherwise don't want it for good reason, then guess what? They simply reseal, retape and that's the end of story. I always thought that these items would be either returned to the manufacturer (which I heard is very difficult to do in Hong Kong because of lopsided bargaining powers in favor of toy manufacturers or distributors and not the retailers) or sold at a discount to someone who doesn't mind the flawed condition or open boxes. I guess the third option would be to ship it to a customer outside of Hong Kong who is unlikely to raise this as an issue for fear of incurring higher shipping cost and who don't want to deal with the hassle. Just my 50 cents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Canuck II Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 I feel I should add my two cents on this Toy-Wave matter, but honestly it may complicate matters. I've purchased from Toy-Wave several times without incident, but after reading dnd ordeal I went back and checked my SV-51 I purchased from Toy-Wave. While the toy itself seems in ok condition the plastic tray has several (3-4) layers of tape, much like DND experienced. The left wing joint might have what looks like dry clear nail polish, but it's very hard to tell, I can't say if is is indeed nail polish or not. It does not however have any stress marks on the weapon sockets yet the weapons refuse to stay on, but this could be a Yamato QC issue. So other than the multiple layers of tape on the tray I would guess my SV-51 is new, but then again who knows. I do know the hip ball joints were very loose, which I easily fixed by tightening some screws, but perhaps someone who did not know how to tighten the hips returned it and I got it, hence the multiple layers of tape on the tray, but that's just a guess. Anyway, with dnd ordeal and my slight suspicion that the SV-51 I purchased was not Mint, I will in the very least think twice before using Toy-Wave and most likely look elsewhere for my future purchases, so thanks to DND for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream Man Posted December 16, 2007 Share Posted December 16, 2007 the weapons not staying int he sockets is a QC issue, having nothing to do with TOy-Wave. Im sorry this has happened DND, But I have used TW for to long to not stand up for them and support them fully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 the weapons not staying int he sockets is a QC issue, having nothing to do with TOy-Wave. Im sorry this has happened DND, But I have used TW for to long to not stand up for them and support them fully. go look at the pictures i took of the missile hardpoints and the dried nailpolish. that has nothing to do with QC, that was used and abused my someone else, then returned to toy-wave, then sold to me as new. what about the fact that he asked me to return it, then after i sent it back, he filed a claim with paypal and kept the item and my money? you still want to defending that thief? please read the entire thread before you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghadrack Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 Just another Macrossworlder chiming in that I have done business with Toy-Wave a couple times in the past uneventfully, but knowing how suddenly reliable retailers can go bad, I am watching this thread to see how Ken handles his business. My 2 cents, When I pay for a high end collectible figure like this I am not interested in buying what appears to be a used display model, the re-taping and clearly used hinges/hardpoints are pretty clear evidence. I hope you are provided with a resolution that satisfies you DND, I think it is still possible, but at this point I am sure that will take a meaningful, personal response and immediate action. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robodragon Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 I have been watching this for a while now and I can now say that as long as this is taking and with no respectable end to this issue in site, I will not be buy anything from Toy-Wave. I have been tempted a couple times but now the temptation is lost. This is why I stick with HLJ and Ebay sellers I have dealt with in the past. I'm the guy that always seams to be the 1 out of 10 that get screwed. I feel the same way, every one chimes in and talks about how good a seller is that has ripped me off but know one wants to step up and give me the money I lost with them, or give me a replacement out of their collection. What makes a seller good is not all the times everything goes well, but how they deal with the problems and make things right. The opportunity for Toy-Wave to make things right has come and gone to get my service. If he fixes this for DND he will be doing the thing but the speculation will be because of all the flack and not because he is a stand up seller. Good luck DND, I hope you get what is just. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scream Man Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) go look at the pictures i took of the missile hardpoints and the dried nailpolish. that has nothing to do with QC, that was used and abused my someone else, then returned to toy-wave, then sold to me as new. what about the fact that he asked me to return it, then after i sent it back, he filed a claim with paypal and kept the item and my money? you still want to defending that thief? please read the entire thread before you post. i have read the thread, everything since your first post. i don't know what the other side of the story is though. i mean we have heard your side, but everything has 2 sides to it, so until i hear what Ken has to say I will continue to remain optimistic that there is simply a communication breakdown or something like it. The boxes being crushed is different. i have had a few like that, though the toy inside has always been in perfect shape. ive mentioned it to Ken before, and he hasnt really changed that, so if u are an MISB collector then yeah it could suck to get stuff from him. I throw the boxes away so it doesnt bother me. I looked at the pics too. But photos could show anything. I mean Ken could just as equally claim u tried to do the nailpolish fix yourself, and tried to force the missles onto the wings as well. How do we know? If u like I can show u some photos of a modified VF-0 and then claim it came that way. How could you prove I was wrong? Im not suggesting you did this, Im just suggesting that an argumenet the otehr way can be made just as easily, and based on my prior, and continued, dealings with Ken I have seen nothing to back you up, and everything to back him up. i may be proven wrong about him. I would hate that, i truly would. I guess im asking people not to jump to a side before they hear both sides. Edited December 17, 2007 by Scream Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted December 17, 2007 Share Posted December 17, 2007 (edited) I guess what you're really asking is for Ken to post a reasonable response, as we know he has read this and posted once before. Instead Ken is being dead quiet. I think you also would have to agree that if someone buys something EMS they shouldn't have to wait weeks for the item to even be shipped. What explanation can Ken have for that that would make that okay? Then I suppose we also need a reason why it would be okay for someone to have an item returned to them and then keep the money for having sold that item. That's another tough one to offer a good story for that makes that seem okay. You would think if Ken were convinced DND had tampered with the product he would have told DND to f off as being a dishonest buyer but he didn't do that. Maybe he's really forgiving and thought DND did tamper with it and still offered an exchange. How do you then get to the point where you insist the exchange take forever and refuse to offer a refund when the exchange is refused? Edited December 17, 2007 by jenius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 Everything else is "he said - he said" but the fact that toy-wave filed a paypal claim against DnD and has since come to a stalemate on the refund/exchange issue is the only thing that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 i have read the thread, everything since your first post. i don't know what the other side of the story is though. i mean we have heard your side, but everything has 2 sides to it, so until i hear what Ken has to say I will continue to remain optimistic that there is simply a communication breakdown or something like it. theres no communication breakdown. notice how he hasn't been by to say a damn thing since his first post? you think he's actually going to show his face here again? the dude is busted, not by just me but a whole slew of people that got his used stock sold to them as new. one by one they're all coming out. they were just afraid to speak negatively about a so called reputable seller and get reemed for it by the rest of the community. i have no such fear, i don't care if everyone hates me, i'll call out anyone whos trying to pull a fast one here or anywhere else. The boxes being crushed is different. i have had a few like that, though the toy inside has always been in perfect shape. ive mentioned it to Ken before, and he hasnt really changed that, so if u are an MISB collector then yeah it could suck to get stuff from him. I throw the boxes away so it doesnt bother me. whos talking boxes? while i prefer a nice box, i much prefer a toy isn't secondhand. I looked at the pics too. But photos could show anything. I mean Ken could just as equally claim u tried to do the nailpolish fix yourself, and tried to force the missles onto the wings as well. How do we know? If u like I can show u some photos of a modified VF-0 and then claim it came that way. How could you prove I was wrong? so yeah i purposely took a toy i just paid $200 for, waited 2 weeks for, then decide to fukk it all up and send it back just because i'm that type of guy, because i live for the drama, because i wanted to wait even longer to get the item i purchased...that makes a lot of sense. Im not suggesting you did this, Im just suggesting that an argumenet the otehr way can be made just as easily, and based on my prior, and continued, dealings with Ken I have seen nothing to back you up, and everything to back him up. i may be proven wrong about him. I would hate that, i truly would. but you're suggesting i did just that! and you're saying i'm dishonest because "i have seen nothing to back you up and everything to back him up". do you have any idea how many sale/trades i've had here? can you count how many times i've been nominated to the SS list? how many times i've helped out a fellow member? does Ken even hang here with us? theres no particpation, he doesn't chill with us, no nothing, the dude only comes here to make money, end of story. I guess im asking people not to jump to a side before they hear both sides. i didn't ask anyone to take my side but you certainly picked a side didn't you? i only posted what was going on then i asked people to stop posting here and to PM me as this incident is a distraction on the boards you think you're really helping Ken by posting? personally i think you're hurting him more each time this thread gets a reply since it brings everyones attention to it but feel free to reply some more, i'm sure he appreciates you bumping up this thread and playing the hero on his behalf since hes not man enough to come here to explain himself. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- but you know what, we'll just say everything i said is a lie because thats just the kind of guy i am. forget the fact that the missile hardpoints were all jacked, forget about the nailpolish, forget about the amount of time it took to get my item, forget about the item being used, forget about the box being re-taped 3 times, forget about all that BS...but one fact still remains that can't be overlooked...HE STOLE MY MONEY! as i stated many times, i'm over it, why don't you get over it or PM me if you want to discuss it further. just move along and let him/me be. bottomline i'm out $200 bucks...but hey that never happened either, i'm lying about that one too. BTW, i've been called a lot of things by a lot of people here but in all my time on MW, you're the first person to accuse me of being dishonest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpaint22 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I'd like added Crazy Toys Patadise (crosszgundam) for selling used or returned goods, ordered a HCM Pro Gundam, it arrived but has been used or returned, missing parts, scratched and the box had three pieces of tape on one end, so it's been opened more than once. Emailed him quite a few times with no reply and even when I try to get incontact through "ask a question" on a cuurent item I still get ignored. I know someone else on here had a bad dealling just can't find what page it's on. Crap seller stay away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do not disturb Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 I'd like added Crazy Toys Patadise (crosszgundam) for selling used or returned goods, ordered a HCM Pro Gundam, it arrived but has been used or returned, missing parts, scratched and the box had three pieces of tape on one end, so it's been opened more than once. Emailed him quite a few times with no reply and even when I try to get incontact through "ask a question" on a cuurent item I still get ignored. I know someone else on here had a bad dealling just can't find what page it's on. Crap seller stay away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry to hear about that man. MW member sqidd uses those guys all the time for his macross purchases. he said he was pretty friendly with the guy, maybe he can pass along the message, maybe even help you out in getting what you paid for. shoot him a PM, it can't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warpaint22 Posted December 18, 2007 Share Posted December 18, 2007 sorry to hear about that man. MW member sqidd uses those guys all the time for his macross purchases. he said he was pretty friendly with the guy, maybe he can pass along the message, maybe even help you out in getting what you paid for. shoot him a PM, it can't hurt. Thanks dnd, it's a crap situation but lucky for me I'm a good modeler and was able to scatchbuild two new anckle guards and now it looks great. I'm more concerned that you get your money back as that's utter sh#t what you are going through. I was thinking of odering from toy wave but after reading all about your deallings that wont be happening. If a seller screws me over once that's it I'm through with them. Thanks for your concern it's nice to know that some people care, it's wrong for sellers to treat people like this and they seem to forget how many people are on this forum and that we all talk about our deallings. This should be a warning to any sellers out there, screw any of us over and lose lot's of business!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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