So called Macross Facts

[Totoro242]

Here are a few real ones that I have had to debunk mutliple times:

Myth: There is an SDF-2 seen in Robotech.

Fact: Not. Misa runs along a tunnel connected to a command center to get to the SDf-1 in Macross. Origin: Robotech TV series and comic book. In the TV show, Lisa and Gloval talk about the SDF-2 and in the comic, it is seen back to back with the SDf-1. It was written into the script to explain the third mound in Southern Cross.

Myth: There was an AJACs toy released from Southern Cross.

Fact: Not. Very few toys were made from Southern Cross AJACs was not one. Origin: Shoji Kawamori desgned a transforming helicopter for Dorvack. Two toy version were released in other toy lines in North America. Convertors and Transformers. Kawamori had no desgns in Southern Cross.

Myth: You had a red Veritech toy when you were a kid.

Fact: No. You had a Jetfire. Origin: Matsuhiro/Bandai acquired the Takatoku 1/55 molds and resold the toy with new colors to be released in Hasbro's Transformers line.

Edited August 9, 2005 by Totoro242

[Majestic]

Myth: The entire Macross 7 series sucked a mountain of ass.

Fact: The myth is true.

[KingNor]

Myth: The entire Macross 7 series sucked a mountain of ass.

Fact: The myth is true.

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oh noes! not in this thread please!

[Roy Focker]

MOD WARNING

Fact: Those who bring up Macross 7 to bash it in a topic that's not even about Macross 7 have also filmed a gay porn called "Gun pods a shooting"

Source: Drop the subject. Honestly some of you should be ashammed of yourselves for saying your a Macross fan. Many fans don't like every part of Macross but not all of them attack it with such mindless and unprovoked ways. I hate to be forced to make a habit of closing topics cause of Macross 7. Like it or not it is Macross and I'll rather see it's most immature critics removed before I'm forced to close anymore topics.

[azrael]

Here's a couple regarding the fold systems:

Myth: SDF-1 can fold within a planet's gravity well which is why the Zentradi were shocked by SDF-1's apparent fold in Earth.

Source: Robotech, episode 3 dialog.

Truth: The Zentradi were shocked that Macross folded so close to the planet, endangering the surrounding area for no apparent reason.

Myth: Folding causes temporal displacement.

Source: Robotech, episode 11 dialog. Episode 29, Robotech Masters engage in fold operations and reappear in Episode 37, 15 years later at the far edge of the solar system.

Truth: Folding causes no temporal displacement. This was done to explain parts of Robotech's plot.

[Pat Payne]

Myth: Shammy is American/English

Source: Faulty fan translation of "Shammy Milliome" to "Sammy Malone/Millome"

Reality: Shammy is actually Finnish.

Myth: The Megaroad is essentially a larger version of the Macross.

Source: Early lineart from the TV series when they were planning to end with the launch of the Megaroad.

Reality: It was, originally, but the UN Spacy removed the forward section of the ship (the main cannon) and radically redesigned the ship when its mission profile changed to a colonization ship.

Myth: The Super Star Destroyer Executor...whoops, wrong myth file

Myth: The entire human race is wiped out (with the exception of the population of Macross) in Bodolzaa's attack on the Earth with no survivors at all.

Source: A misinterpretation of the effects of the attack

Reality: There were human survivors of the attack on Earth, deep in the Grand Cannons -- Misa, for instance -- and other underground facilities (perhaps in mines/nuke missile silos for instance) as well as a human colony on the moon, where the SDF-2 Megaroad was under conmstruction, but this was still a miniscule fraction of the 6,000,000,000 people on Earth.

Myth: Macross II is an official part of the Macross timeline, and shows the events that will happen in the Macross universe 80 years after the series.

Source: The appearance of Macross II on the official Macross website, and in the official continuity timeline.

Reality: Macross II is considered an "alternate future" within the series continuity, a "bastard child" designation given it by Studio Nue after some discussion with Big West, whom along with Bandai, commisioned the OAV without Studio Nue's input. So long as Kawamori and Nue were not believed to be interested or involved with another Macross project, Macross II was the official sequal. However, after Macross Plus and especially 7, it was realized that Macross II would conflict with them (both Macross II and Macross 7 answer the question, more or less indirectly, of where the Supervision Army came from) and so Macross II was allowed by Studio Nue to become a sequal to the fictional-within-the-Macross-universe DYRL?, thereby allowing it semi-canon status through the back door.

Myth: Marcellus' briefcase contains...damn!

Myth: The professor/chief engineer was imbued by the energies of the missing fold engine

Source: RT novels

Reality: Nope, it was just the whim of the animators that gave him no visible eyes.

[jenius]

Myth: You had a red Veritech toy when you were a kid.

OR you were one of those lucky enough folks to actually get ahold of a Milia Takatoku. You now probably wish you didn't play with it so much when you were little 'cause it would make a sweet collectors item.

Seriously, that Mac7 attack was way lame, if I was gonna rip on it it woulda been way funnier Don't worry, I won't do that here -

MYTH: Sound energy actually has something to do with sound traveling through space.

Source: Well, it's called sound energy and its shown to work in space

Truth: I think it's a misnomer and the "sound" really hasn't nothing to do with it, it should be called "spiritia energy" or something. I can't recall if the valks actually have speakers on them but I'm hoping they don't and that the scientist just found some way of amplifying the spiritia energy... not the sound of the songs.

[Renato]

Truth: I think it's a misnomer and the "sound" really hasn't nothing to do with it, it should be called "spiritia energy" or something.  I can't recall if the valks actually have speakers on them but I'm hoping they don't and that the scientist just found some way of amplifying the spiritia energy... not the sound of the songs.

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The Sound Force and Jammingbirds valks have built-in speakers which transmit sound waves, but they are only used within the atmosphere of planets, as they are obviously ineffective in space. However, for space battles the pilot launches speakerpods that penetrate the enemies' crafts, and thus the sound reaches them.

In later episodes, other weapons are introduced which utilise the sound energy itself, not just sound waves, which can travel through space. For example, the Sound Boosters and the Sound Blaster (I think that's what it was called -- the one that uses the Battle 7 Gunship) use the sound energy convertor and fire off beams of energy.

[Hurin]

Myth:  There was an AJACs toy released from Southern Cross.

Fact: Not.  Very few toys were made from Southern Cross AJACs was not one.  Origin: Shoji Kawamori desgned a transforming helicopter for Dorvack.  Two toy version were released in other toy lines in North America.  Convertors and Transformers.  Kawamori had no desgns in Southern Cross.

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Wasn't there a Matchbox Ajacs toy from Robotech?

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[Hurin]

Was this thread intended to be a "differences between Robotech and Macross?" Because that seems to be what it's rapidly becoming.

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[JB0]

Was this thread intended to be a "differences between Robotech and Macross?"  Because that seems to be what it's rapidly becoming. 

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That's just because The Blasphemy has colored a lot of people's perceptions of the one true anime.

[jenius]

OOh, i got more:

Can we do this with toys too?

Myth: The Yamato YF-19 and YF-19A are very anime accurate

Truth: (in Jon Stewart voice): eh, not so much. Graham made some great comments on the differences a while back.

Myth: Bandai considered reissuing the taka GBP and the SDF-1

Truth: I believe the mold is on the bottom of the ocean.

Myth: Toynami reissued the VF-1S MPC due to popular demand

Truth: Apparently they had a distribution nightmare when issuing them originally and by the time they resolved it it was already time for Max to be selling so they just put the extras in a warehouse for later.

Myth: Gakken made Shadow Fighter toys but they never made it to market.

Truth: Not bloody likely, they *probably* just considered it if the first series of toy were big sellers.

Myth: Yamato is going to release a YF-19FP

Truth: DAMN YOU YAMATO!!!! It puts the toy in the basket or else it gets the hose again!

[jenius]

PS - I may be wrong about some of that stuff. Correct me if I am... as I'm sure you will.

[azrael]

Fine, you want a non-RT related fact. I'll give you a recent urban legend.

Myth: The SV-51 design inspiration is actually the F/A-18 Hornet, not the Su-27.

Source: Fan observation that the SV-51 pulls many elements from a F/A-18.

Reality: The SV-51 was indeed inspired from the Su-27. Early design sketches/lineart of the SV-51 show a distinct resemblence to the Su-27/Sukhoi design.

[Beltane70]

Here's another one that I always hear:

Myth: In the Japanese version of Macross, they show the two technicians actually seeing blood on the seat of Roy's cockpit.

Source: Fans of Robotech who swore they saw said scenes when watching the original versions or, in unedited versions of Robotech

Truth: We never, ever see blood on Roy's seat. The scene only shows the reactions of the technicians to what they saw inside of Roy's cockpit.

[Renato]

Here's another one that I always hear:

Myth: In the Japanese version of Macross, they show the two technicians actually seeing blood on the seat of Roy's cockpit.

Source: Fans of Robotech who swore they saw said scenes when watching the original versions or, in unedited versions of Robotech

Truth: We never, ever see blood on Roy's seat. The scene only shows the reactions of the technicians to what they saw inside of Roy's cockpit.

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You know, it's weird. I pretty much grew up believing that I had seen that non-existant footage somewhere, and I was gobsmacked when I saw the series after a very long time and there was nothing.

[Roy Focker]

Fact: A Valkyrie in battroid is the same size as a Zentradi and can thus fit inside a pod.

Source: You can blame multiple sources of Robotech media but the original animation can be blamed as well. Even though the Zentradi were shorter than a VF-1 in battroid mode many times the animators showed them at equal heights and even had Max wearing one of their uniforms. The connection that they can fit in pods was made up by the fans.

Fact: The infamous Orguss Valkyrie name is Jotun.

Source: Well presented Robotech Fan Fiction I believe.

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[UN_MARINE]

Fact: The Strike valkyrie & its descendants (VF-19, etc.) are a part of ROBOTECH

Source: Wishful thinking from ROBOTECH fans (maybe even HG *ahem*)

Truth: ROBOTECH never graduated past the "regular" FAST packs.

some people might argue that "clash o' the bionoids" sez otherwise....

well in that case, the list starts from the VF-4

[dr_vandermeer]

Fact: A Valkyrie in battroid is the same size as a Zentradi and can thus fit inside a pod.

Source:  You can blame multiple sources of Robotech media but the original animation can be blamed as well.  Even though the Zentradi were shorter than a VF-1 in battroid mode many times the animators showed them at equal heights and even had Max wearing one of their uniforms.  The connection that they can fit in pods was made up by the fans.

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Really? Well there's one I didn't know. Is there some scale line art to show the size differences between the 2? Definitely seeing the Zentradi and Battroid together at about equal height and the Max with uniform scene put that in my head as fact.

[Ignacio Ocamica]

Really? Well there's one I didn't know. Is there some scale line art to show the size differences between the 2? Definitely seeing the Zentradi and Battroid together at about equal height and the Max with uniform scene put that in my head as fact.

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Here you have some lineart

[JB0]

Really? Well there's one I didn't know. Is there some scale line art to show the size differences between the 2? Definitely seeing the Zentradi and Battroid together at about equal height and the Max with uniform scene put that in my head as fact.

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Here you have some lineart

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Note that a battroid is about equal to a LARGE zentradi, but comes well above the average height. So there IS some fudge room, though the ings alone make it very unlikely a battroid would ever fit into zentradi mecha.

[akabob]

Clothing probably wouldnt be too hard though. Especially if it was for a taller soldier. Plus whos to say every soldier was exactly the same size.

[Witchblade]

Fact: A Valkyrie in battroid is the same size as a Zentradi and can thus fit inside a pod.

Source:  You can blame multiple sources of Robotech media but the original animation can be blamed as well.  Even though the Zentradi were shorter than a VF-1 in battroid mode many times the animators showed them at equal heights and even had Max wearing one of their uniforms.  The connection that they can fit in pods was made up by the fans.

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Really? Well there's one I didn't know. Is there some scale line art to show the size differences between the 2? Definitely seeing the Zentradi and Battroid together at about equal height and the Max with uniform scene put that in my head as fact.

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It's been awhile since I've actually seen the scene (at least a year) but I seem to remember that the uniform was quite baggy on Max's Valk, even accounting for typical anime magic. The collar was way high, the hat obscured almost the whole head- and that's with the VF-1A head laser sticking up. He was also able to convert to Gerwalk while still wearing the jacket.

Also was there a shifitng of sizes between the tv series and the movie? Again going on memory, but the full-sized males and females looked about equal when they were living amongst each other in the final episodes. In DYRL, however, I thought the Meltrons seemed a good deal smaller, and much less "alien" looking, reinforcing the idea they were a separate "race". (Or more than likley typical sci-fi chauvenism. Ever noticed how the Martian princess is always a total babe in a bikini ruling an army of jaundiced Neanderthals with antennae? But I digress... )

[JB0]

It's been awhile since I've actually seen the scene (at least a year) but I seem to remember that the uniform was quite baggy on Max's Valk, even accounting for typical anime magic. The collar was way high, the hat obscured almost the whole head- and that's with the VF-1A head laser sticking up. He was also able to convert to Gerwalk while still wearing the jacket.

The collar was also turned up and tugged as high as it went.

I can only assume the hat pulled down so well because the 1A has a tiny head relative to proper human/zentran proportions.

Really, though, the only way it works at all is if Max jumped someone about Britai's size. And Britai can rip a Valk apart bare-handed, so it's not too likely...

[Renato]

Myth: Kaifun is Minmay's brother.

Source: DYRL never explains he is her cousin, yet contains at least two instances of him being referred to as "brother" by Minmay. The explanation is only ever given in SDF Macross, I believe.

[mikeszekely]

G7. Myth: Bruno Global's rank is Captain.

Source: The constant references to him as "Captain Global"

Reality: Global is actually a Brigadier General, IIRC. The term "Kanchou" literally means "One who is in charge of a warship," and is given to a person of any rank who is the commander of a warship. Much like in the US Navy, where it's not uncommon to see LCDRs and CDRs called "captain" so-and-so while in command of a warship. The actual rank title in Japanese for the rank of Naval Captain is "Itto-Kaisa"(JNSDF) or "Tai-sa."(IJN, USN, Generic Military)

Is that like Bright, in Gundam? Until the White Base got to Jaburo, wasn't he actually an Ensign? Come to think of it, he never held the official rank of Captain through the entire One Year War, although I do remember hearing him called "Bright-taisa" in Z or ZZ.

[nhyone]

Myth: Kaifun is Minmay's brother.

Source: DYRL never explains he is her cousin, yet contains at least two instances of him being referred to as "brother" by Minmay.    The explanation is only ever given in SDF Macross, I believe.

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Kaifun is Minmay's cousin in the tv series, and recasted as her brother in DYRL. This is to simplify the love triangle for a 1-1/2 hour movie.

[Mechamaniac]

Robotech-related myths here...

1. Myth: The Zentradi were chasing the Macross because of something intrinsically and identifiably special with the ship.

Source: Robotech, where the SDF-1 was originally the laboratory of a alien scientist.

Reality: The Zents were chasing the Macross for two reasons: first to eradicate the Supervision Army, although the mission was later changed to "capture" when they found the Macross' seemingly mysterious ability to repair (something Zents couldn;t do with their equipment)

Myth: The Zentraedi couldn't repair their own equipment:

Source: RT and Pat Payne's post

Reality: The Zentraedi are seen several times throughout SDF Macross repairing their own equipment. Remember Kamzin in his wifebeater when their ship was crashed in the Amazon, and he was bitching at his guys to get it fixed.

[Father Jack]

Robotech-related myths here...

1. Myth: The Zentradi were chasing the Macross because of something intrinsically and identifiably special with the ship.

Source: Robotech, where the SDF-1 was originally the laboratory of a alien scientist.

Reality: The Zents were chasing the Macross for two reasons: first to eradicate the Supervision Army, although the mission was later changed to "capture" when they found the Macross' seemingly mysterious ability to repair (something Zents couldn;t do with their equipment)

Myth: The Zentraedi couldn't repair their own equipment:

Source: RT and Pat Payne's post

Reality: The Zentraedi are seen several times throughout SDF Macross repairing their own equipment. Remember Kamzin in his wifebeater when their ship was crashed in the Amazon, and he was bitching at his guys to get it fixed.

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I think kamzin makes a refrence to the fact that the humans taught them how to repair their own equipment in that scene. I think he says something about using human culture against humanity in this way.

Could be wrong though.

[JB0]

Robotech-related myths here...

1. Myth: The Zentradi were chasing the Macross because of something intrinsically and identifiably special with the ship.

Source: Robotech, where the SDF-1 was originally the laboratory of a alien scientist.

Reality: The Zents were chasing the Macross for two reasons: first to eradicate the Supervision Army, although the mission was later changed to "capture" when they found the Macross' seemingly mysterious ability to repair (something Zents couldn;t do with their equipment)

Myth: The Zentraedi couldn't repair their own equipment:

Source: RT and Pat Payne's post

Reality: The Zentraedi are seen several times throughout SDF Macross repairing their own equipment. Remember Kamzin in his wifebeater when their ship was crashed in the Amazon, and he was bitching at his guys to get it fixed.

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That's much later, though. And Kamjin has a bunch of "cultured" zentradi that spent time in human factories, on uman sconstruction crews, etc.

Lacking the education humanity gave them, their version of repairs can be seen when Max breaks Hikaru, Misa, and Kakizaki out of Britai's ship.

Most notably, beyond sweeping up the broken glass Britai's command area is left unchanged until post-war, when the entire ship is totally remodeled to make it suitable for mixed-scale use. This is in spite of his down time while Lap'Lamiz deals with things, so it's not because he was too busy for repairs.

[Pat Payne]

Now, the thing is, we know that the Zentradi have the CAPABILITY for repair (Presumably, the factory satellite and Bodolza's fortress both have automated repair/refit facilities -- it would make no sense for the Protocultures to allow ships to go running around that are damaged but not ready to be written off), but that -- getting into conjecture here -- the Zents themselves are dependent upon these Protoculture-supplied auto-repair areas, so that a Zent fleet that goes rogue quickly runs out of fuel, ammo, food, booze and repairs. That's why the Zents are so gung-ho to get the Macross once they realized it HAD been repaired...they wanted the ability to do it themselves ability AFTER losing the war...

Edited August 10, 2005 by Pat Payne

[Knight26]

Well there is also the thought that the Zent are little more then technician level when it comes to repair. There are several levels or repair when it comes to shipboard repair, technician level (the sailors), RMC level (regional maintenace centers, one step above the sailors), ISEA level (Me, technical experts and engineers who go in when things are really bad), and depot/shipyard level (take the thing off and completely overhaul it). The factory satelites probably have your depot/shipyard level repair facilites for all systems onboard ship. More then likely the zentraedi could do day to day repairs and maybe even some more complex level repairs, but nothing on the level of complete overhaul and replacement. A ship just can't operate without techs who can maintain their gear from normal wear and tear. They were probably greatly impressed by the SDF-1 because the primative humans repaired it without a factory satelitte, on the ground no less, and because it was completely retrofitted to serve human needs. Imagine how shocked the US fleet would be if they pulled into Tokyo harbor one day to find an old midway class completely retrofitted with japanesse components and was as capable, if not moreso, then our own.

[marsbiker22]

Myth: Kaifun is Minmay's brother.

Source: DYRL never explains he is her cousin, yet contains at least two instances of him being referred to as "brother" by Minmay.     The explanation is only ever given in SDF Macross, I believe.

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Kaifun is Minmay's cousin in the tv series, and recasted as her brother in DYRL. This is to simplify the love triangle for a 1-1/2 hour movie.

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actually, according to the Macross Compendium :

Fallacy: "Kaifun is Minmay's brother."

Explanation: Kaifun is Minmay's cousin (with no blood relations between them). Minmay says Kaifun is a "cousin who is like a brother" to her in his debut during the first series.

Source of fallacy: Assumption based on Minmay's name for Kaifun ("Kaifun-niichan"), an affectionate name for a brotherly figure.

[treatment]

Myth: Kaifun is Minmay's brother.

Source: DYRL never explains he is her cousin, yet contains at least two instances of him being referred to as "brother" by Minmay.    The explanation is only ever given in SDF Macross, I believe.

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Kaifun is Minmay's cousin in the tv series, and recasted as her brother in DYRL. This is to simplify the love triangle for a 1-1/2 hour movie.

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actually, according to the Macross Compendium :

Fallacy: "Kaifun is Minmay's brother."

Explanation: Kaifun is Minmay's cousin (with no blood relations between them). Minmay says Kaifun is a "cousin who is like a brother" to her in his debut during the first series.

Source of fallacy: Assumption based on Minmay's name for Kaifun ("Kaifun-niichan"), an affectionate name for a brotherly figure.

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Actually, the Compendium is referring specifically to the TV-series relationship, i.e. Kaifun-nii-chan.

The DYRL-relationship is brother-sister, however, i.e. Minmay specifically referred to him as nii-san.

Therefore, nhyone is correct.

[treatment]

fact/myth: the YF-1R/VF-1R exists in Macross-universe

source: robotech

reality: NO! It does not exist in Macross canon-universe or alternate-universe(MII). Whatever "lineart-inspiration" tomfoolery the MPC-toy/Battlecry-game was cobbled from was most likely an animation/art-mistake similar to the infamous nosecone-lasers.

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fact/myth: there is a Gundam in Macross-universe:

source: Macross II

reality: Macross II is alternate-universe and the "Gundam-Valk" (aka Metal Siren) only exists in Macross-II.

Edited August 10, 2005 by treatment