Newbie Questions on Macross

[wolfx]

Anybody knows what the UN Spacy is in Robotech universe? It seems like they didn't remove it from their toys and art.

[dna]

Anybody knows what the UN Spacy is in Robotech universe? It seems like they didn't remove it from their toys and art.

Offhand I'd say they replaced it with the RDF and didn't bother to airbrush it from the cels.

[1st Border Red Devil]

Anybody knows what the UN Spacy is in Robotech universe?

Best guess....

the preAnti-Unification War name of what would become the United Earth Forces. The UEG and UEF replaced the old United Nations circa 2005 or so. RDF is NOT the official name.

[Boxer]

Is there a UNA (United Nations Army?) branch? Or are they just a department of the Space Marines?

Yes I checked the compendium

[Druna Skass]

Noted are:

UNS - UN Spacy (Space Navy, get it now????)

UNAF - UN Air Force

UNN - UN Navy

UNSAF- UN Space Air Force

UNSM- UN Space Marines

Since there is already the Space Navy, what need is there for the UNSAF?

[Druna Skass]

Is the Anti-UN fighting a guerilla style war with the UN or can they actualy go head to head with them?

[azrael]

Is there a UNA (United Nations Army?) branch? Or are they just a department of the Space Marines?

As I said, noted are......(see previous post). There may be an Army but they have yet to be mentioned in any official publications.

Since there is already the Space Navy, what need is there for the UNSAF?

Who knows.....

Is the Anti-UN fighting a guerilla style war with the UN or can they actualy go head to head with them?

A little of column A and a little of column B. As I see it, there are factions (I don't see an actual central authority among the Anti-UN but I don't seem them as just terrorists cells since they have a distinct military discpline surrounding them). In the Americas, they are probably dealing with guerillas (like the ones in Guatamala back in the day). In the Pacific/Atlantic and in Eurasia (and perhaps Australia), the UN is probably facing a much more organized group. I can't really make out the situation in the Middle East/Africa.

This is conjecture, of course. The basis for this answer is from scenes in M0 and the Compendium.

[Aurel Tristen]

What does SPACY means? is it engrish for space?

Did all the armed forces of the U.N. form the SPACY?

Think "Navy". Get it? The "y" at the end?

http://www.anime.net/macross/story/encyclo...pacy/index.html

No. There are other branches of the UN Armed Forces.

Noted are:

UNS - UN Spacy (Space Navy, get it now????)

UNAF - UN Air Force

UNN - UN Navy

UNSAF- UN Space Air Force

UNSM- UN Space Marines

http://www.anime.net/macross/story/glossary/index.html

Space Navy.... is not correct

Space Forces...

The U. N. Spacy does not use Navy ranks. Only the U. N. Navy does. The Spacy uses Air Force/Army ranks. So Space Army or simply Space Forces might be more correct.

[Aurel Tristen]

Grenade Box Protector is correct.

Yes, that was spelled out in Macross Hobby Handbook, but may not be completely official. Ground Battroid Protector may be more official.

[Aurel Tristen]

Is there a UNA (United Nations Army?) branch? Or are they just a department of the Space Marines?

Yes I checked the compendium

A more direct translation is "United Nations Ground Forces" or what might be translated as "United Nations Army"

The Japanese word for United Nations is actually different than what Macross uses the basic word means intergrated/joint. But it is used to mean U.N. (United Nations) in Macross.

[azrael]

Space Navy.... is not correct

Space Forces...

The U. N. Spacy does not use Navy ranks. Only the U. N. Navy does. The Spacy uses Air Force/Army ranks. So Space Army or simply Space Forces might be more correct.

True, but it just makes it easier to explain why it has a "Y" at the end of it. I could have very well used "Army" but hey, I honestly don't care.

There also is this note:

The UN Spacy follows naval traditions for its overall hierarchy and positions, but uses the rough equivalent of World-War-II-era Imperial Japanese Army and modern United States Air Force/Army ranks for its ranks.

http://www.anime.net/macross/story/encyclo...pacy/index.html

So in a sense, yes, I can get away with calling a "Space Navy" (since all I was doing was explaining the "y" in SPACY, but i could have also used Space Army)

Edited June 21, 2004 by azrael

[Aurel Tristen]

Can a valk stall? Like I mean going straight up.

According to Masahiro Chiba (MAT), yes, a VF-1 Valkyrie can stall at an air speed of 115 knots during a sharp 20 degree turn-back maneuver,

[Aurel Tristen]

Space Navy.... is not correct

Space Forces...

The U. N. Spacy does not use Navy ranks. Only the U. N. Navy does. The Spacy uses Air Force/Army ranks. So Space Army or simply Space Forces might be more correct.

True, but it just makes it easier to explain why it has a "Y" at the end of it. I could have very well used "Army" but hey, I honestly don't care.

There also is this note:

The UN Spacy follows naval traditions for its overall hierarchy and positions, but uses the rough equivalent of World-War-II-era Imperial Japanese Army and modern United States Air Force/Army ranks for its ranks.

http://www.anime.net/macross/story/encyclo...pacy/index.html

So in a sense, yes, I can get away with calling a "Space Navy" (since all I was doing was explaining the "y" in SPACY, but i could have also used Space Army)

It would be Army and we should all care about what we tell newbies.

[Aurel Tristen]

Speaking of the Macross's city, is it in the legs or the main body?

Macross Leg Schematic and Structural Layout:

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/img..._schematic.html

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/img..._schematic.html

[Aurel Tristen]

Do all the Meltran and Zentran gunboats have firepower equal to the Macross's? It just seemed to me that that ship had firepower comparable to the larger Zentran ships.

Likely.

You have to remember that a gunboat is basically just a floating cannon.

The larger vessels weren't intended to be used solely as big guns. So they didn't carry a weapon as large proportionately as a gunboat would.

The Macross is overpowered for it's size because that's what gunboats are.

Actually, the Nupetiet-Vergnitzs class has a huge cannon that is mainly used for combat again large mobile fortresses, while Millia's ship is a gun destroyer with a short range cannon because it is a special forces unit, while there is the heavier gun destroyer which has a long range firing cannon, like the Macross.

There are different specifications because the ships serve different purposes.

[Aurel Tristen]

This just bugged me recently.  When VF's are in space are the intakes covered or not?

Should be.

Otherwise you risk debris flying into your turbines.

Not only that, but there's nothing to 'take in'

the vacuum of space might even suck out the fuel through the intakes

The VF-1 doesn't have liquid fuel... nuclear powered!

The VF-1 does use liquid fuel.

They wouldn't need to be refueled by this:

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...ent_vessel.html

if they didn't have liquid fuel.

See: http://manuals.macrossmecha.info/vf1/valkyrie_fuel.html

[Aurel Tristen]

Thought I'd ask this here...

Who is Lt. K. Warmaker?

Word play on Kawamori's name, I'd imagine.

[Aurel Tristen]

Gotta wonder if any of the transformation equipment leftover from the SDF-2 remains inside the structure though...

And the Megaroad may not be an entirely fixed ship. There's a thread discussing this.

No, Anubis is correct. The Megaroad class may be made of different components, but it is a fixed ship design.

Kawamori has not said whether or not the Megaroad is transformable or not. While, it might seem unlikely-it should not be stated that the Megaroad is nontransformable.

[JB0]

Do all the Meltran and Zentran gunboats have firepower equal to the Macross's? It just seemed to me that that ship had firepower comparable to the larger Zentran ships.

Likely.

You have to remember that a gunboat is basically just a floating cannon.

The larger vessels weren't intended to be used solely as big guns. So they didn't carry a weapon as large proportionately as a gunboat would.

The Macross is overpowered for it's size because that's what gunboats are.

Actually, the Nupetiet-Vergnitzs class has a huge cannon that is mainly used for combat again large mobile fortresses, while Millia's ship is a gun destroyer with a short range cannon because it is a special forces unit, while there is the heavier gun destroyer which has a long range firing cannon, like the Macross.

There are different specifications because the ships serve different purposes.

That's sort of what I was trying to get at.

The Macross just SEEMS to be more powerful proportionately because it was never intended to be a general-purpose vehicle. They put a lot more of the ship into the gun, proportionally, then most of the other vehicles.

Hence the notable lack of onboard anti-mecha weaponry. It's not SUPPOSED to defend itself, because it has escorts. Self-defense would just draw power from the cannon.

The Vergnitzs cannon didn't seem as powerful proportionately as the Macross cannon did. If it was, the final battle of Space War 1 would've likely consisted of a single shot into Bodolzaa's Fulbtzs-Berrentzs from a distance, rather than the bold, audacious, and somewhat suicidal Macross Attack.

Aside from a probable upper limit on or non-linear scaling(IE doubling the size of the cannon doesn't double the power output) of the technology, the Vergnitzs needed space and energy for other stuff too. It wasn't JUST a cannon.

Unfortunately, it lends a false impression that the Macross is somehow more advanced, because it's got such a large punch in such a small package.

[Aurel Tristen]

In the AnimEigo notes for the Box set, it states that the VEFR-1 is a 'non-macross ship' in addition to the Orguss Valkyrie. If this is the case, where is it from?

For information on the VEFR-1 see:

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat/vari/vefr1.html

[Aurel Tristen]

Nousjadeul Ger-Kai

Details on armament and stuff can be found @ mahq.net

All of that information is made up. It is not accurate and should be disregarded. There are many mistakes on that site.

It should be know that officially, it has only been identified as "Enemy Battle Suit".

[1st Border Red Devil]

The VF-1 does use liquid fuel.

Just to back up what Nanashi has said....nuclear reactors would be the power plant for the Valkyrie. Reaction mass (liquid water maybe?) is still necessary to go from point a to point b as well as being used in vernier thrusters and so forth. No reaction mass and no movement.

[JB0]

The VF-1 does use liquid fuel.

Just to back up what Nanashi has said....nuclear reactors would be the power plant for the Valkyrie. Reaction mass (liquid water maybe?) is still necessary to go from point a to point b as well as being used in vernier thrusters and so forth. No reaction mass and no movement.

Furthermore, you also need something for the reactor to fuse.

There's no reason for that to not be stored as a liquid, particularly since the cleanest fusion reaction uses helium and the easiest use hydrogen, both of which you will HAVE to liquify to get a reasonable amout of fuel in the tank.

[Blaine23]

Grenade Box Protector is correct.

Yes, that was spelled out in Macross Hobby Handbook, but may not be completely official. Ground Battroid Protector may be more official.

I knew I'd read it somewhere, thanks Nanashi.

Where is it referred to as Ground Battroid Protector?

[azrael]

we should all care about what we tell newbies.

But that would take the fun out of the thread....

The newbies should still read the Compendium first though, which most don't do.

[Aurel Tristen]

Grenade Box Protector is correct.

Yes, that was spelled out in Macross Hobby Handbook, but may not be completely official. Ground Battroid Protector may be more official.

I knew I'd read it somewhere, thanks Nanashi.

Where is it referred to as Ground Battroid Protector?

Excuse me, it should be "Ground Battle Protector" weapon system, while the Compendium says "Ground Combat Protector". Its not GCP-1S though... : P

[Aurel Tristen]

Grenade Box Protector is correct.

Yes, that was spelled out in Macross Hobby Handbook, but may not be completely official. Ground Battroid Protector may be more official.

I knew I'd read it somewhere, thanks Nanashi.

Where is it referred to as Ground Battroid Protector?

Excuse me, it should be "Ground Battle Protector" weapon system, while the Compendium says "Ground Combat Protector". Its not GCP-1S though... : P

Just as AMM-1 should be "Amalgam-guided Multipurpose Missile", but Egan Loo chooses "Hybrid-guided Multipurpose Missile" The HMM-1 is another missile : P Another goof? ;;

Amalgam/Hybrid/Composite.... the original Japanese word could be translated as either of them--its all a matter of what fits. In this case amalgam fits best.

http://nanashi.macrossmecha.info/resrc/cat...siles/amm1.html

This is Animation Special Macross Plus (OVA) says that they are Anti-ground Multipurpose Missiles.... but this is not written in the Macross Compendium, because I believe the AMM-1 is more than just an Anti-ground missile.

Though, anti-giant combat was thought that it would mostly take place on the ground... that's why there is the whole Battroid ground combat complex.

[1st Border Red Devil]

Furthermore, you also need something for the reactor to fuse. There's no reason for that to not be stored as a liquid, particularly since the cleanest fusion reaction uses helium and the easiest use hydrogen, both of which you will HAVE to liquify to get a reasonable amout of fuel in the tank.

Ok...

any word on just WHAT the Valkyrie uses for reaction mass?

[JB0]

Furthermore, you also need something for the reactor to fuse. There's no reason for that to not be stored as a liquid, particularly since the cleanest fusion reaction uses helium and the easiest use hydrogen, both of which you will HAVE to liquify to get a reasonable amout of fuel in the tank.

Ok...

any word on just WHAT the Valkyrie uses for reaction mass?

Not as far as I know.

I don't think either fuel or propellant has ever been specified.

[Aurel Tristen]

Furthermore, you also need something for the reactor to fuse. There's no reason for that to not be stored as a liquid, particularly since the cleanest fusion reaction uses helium and the easiest use hydrogen, both of which you will HAVE to liquify to get a reasonable amout of fuel in the tank.

Ok...

any word on just WHAT the Valkyrie uses for reaction mass?

Unofficially (Masahiro Chiba/MAT)

:

http://manuals.macrossmecha.info/vf1/valkyrie_fuel.html

[KingNor]

Ok i want to get this strait:

The ASS-1 is the Macross (pre-rebuild)

Macross Zero is takeing place before the crash of ASS-1??

so.. the valkyries, wich i thought were designed to fight a possible invasion of giant humanoids, were infact, giant robots designed to fight other giant robots in a program aparently started before anyone even knew about the aliens?

[eugimon]

Ok i want to get this strait:

The ASS-1 is the Macross (pre-rebuild)

Macross Zero is takeing place before the crash of ASS-1??

so.. the valkyries, wich i thought were designed to fight a possible invasion of giant humanoids, were infact, giant robots designed to fight other giant robots in a program aparently started before anyone even knew about the aliens?

no, macross zero takes place after the crash of ASS-1, which figures prominently in the opening to episode 1 of mac zero...

macross zero takes place before the beginning of the orignal macross tv series.

so the valks were still made to fight giant humanoids... but the anti un also got the tech somehow so they end up fighting each other anyways... but the original intent was to fight giant humanoids.

[azrael]

The ASS-1 is the Macross (pre-rebuild)

Macross Zero is takeing place before the crash of ASS-1??

so.. the valkyries, wich i thought were designed to fight a possible invasion of giant humanoids, were infact, giant robots designed to fight other giant robots in a program aparently started before anyone even knew about the aliens?

Eh?

ASS-1 is pre-SDF-1 Macross-designation. ASS-1 refers to SDF-1 before it was overhauled into the Earth vessel we know.

M0 is taking place before SDF Macross (TV series) but well after it crashed (in fact, this is in the prologue of M0), so I don't see what the confusion is...

[IIymij]

this is pretty noob so here goes =)

http://www.theroseking.net/animehub/macross/highschool.jpg

i saw this picture on this site and i was wondering where its from because i dont recall this scene at all anywhere? can someone help me?

[eugimon]

this is pretty noob so here goes =)

http://www.theroseking.net/animehub/macross/highschool.jpg

i saw this picture on this site and i was wondering where its from because i dont recall this scene at all anywhere? can someone help me?

looks like flashback scenes from macross plus, probably from the movie version...