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The UN Spacy trademark in the US is an elusive one, I have talked with theLoneWolf about it in April but we couldn't confirm it's existence. Though it has been mentioned in older versions of this thread. The only UN Spacy trademark I'm aware of is the one in Europe and owned by some gaming company from Tokyo.

They will use a Japanese ruling, a Japanese decision on copyrights is perfectly valid in US courts as both the US and Japan are part of the Berne convention. edited for clarity.

Timeline: http://terrania.us/hg-fasa/

I'm not sure about this, BW actively intervened when HG filed for the Macross trademarks so it's hard to say BW doesn't care. Why would BW want to have that text changed? It doesn't affect them in the slightest.

Because there wasn't a ruling, as Seto stated. Fasa backed off and settled. And even if FASA would start a new case they can't win.

Not really, it just states the relationship between HG and Tats. At the time the judge could not have been aware of the fact that Tats could not pass these rights over to HG as Tats never owned them. The legal rights on the designs were only confirmed in Japan post 2000.

I doubt it, as Fasa thought they had bought the rights from Tats as well through a second party arrangement. Fasa can't win if the rights are BW's. "FASA claims to have acquired the rights to these model kits and images from Twentieth Century Imports ("TCI"), which allegedly acquired them from Tatsunoko".

The way I read it, according to the document. Tats gave HG co-ownership of it's designs. However Tats never owned these designs as confirmed by the Japanese lawsuits between BW and Tats. The judge just acknowledged this information as Fasa did not question it. I guess at the time both Tats, Fasa and HG thought Tats was the rightsholder but in hindsight they are not.

Don't see any legal angle in the US really. The only issue States side is HG clinging to the trademarks on the name Macross preventing Macross releases by other companies. Afaik the HG claim to the name Macross is legal. As Azreal discribed earlier, the US trademark system has a peculiarity that puts use before registration. HG could claim the name Macross as it used it in the US before IP holder Big West did.

Looks like a super pack that can be used in an atmosphere, pretty cool imo.

Hmm, I think Frontier is a crowd pleaser. Mecha for mecha fans, harem romance, political conspiracy and characters to please every taste, a little bit of everything Macross. The way I see M7, is far more a slice of life show around a rockband with a main character who is far from generic. The relationships are more subtle and the show takes time to develop them. Certainly not everyone's cup of tea. Both shows what they are supposed too. Frontier was there to celebrate 25 years of Macross and gives new life to the franchise. M7 was a new direction that enlarged the macross universe.

Interesting point, is Macross 7 a real robot show? In the sense of physics I'd say yes, but in hotblooded awesomeness and willpower I'd say no.

I really like how both Basara and Mylene delt with Lex's kiss. Basara not freaking out and not turning all red is welcome change of the average male protagonist. Mylene just gives her own signals she likes him without a tsundere riot act. I find one of the really nice things of M7 is that characters are not caught up too much in stereo typical anime roles.

A thanks for the list. So they are a factor, interesting. The lists results are focused on high profile titles. No Noitamina anime with the women, bit odd, thought Honey and Clover would at least be on their list. Men seem to be really into moe with Nanoha, Saki, LS and K-on. And those girls like their men emo...Though there is a ray of hope, men don't put Code Geass among their favorites I guess we can expect more emo boy pilots like Alto for Macross in the future...Seems Itano had a point with his human failure remark. Where is Goto when you need him? " No, we don't use emotionally instable middle schoolers as labor pilots, what do you think this is? Mazinger?"

Are the fujoshi such a big element in (mecha) sales? Every gundam (since Wing iirc) seems to have some yaoi elements as well.

Thanks a lot, you two Feels a bit strange to be linked to a RT site and actually get accurate info on a Macross production

I wasn't talking about mecha action. Character animation, coloring, lighting and shading have all improved with the help of digital aides last few years. Allowing for more character movement and faster story pacing as less stills and other cost cutting tricks are neccesary. Compare for example what newer studios have produced like Production IG, Bones, PAworks, Kyoani or Makoto Shinkai's Comix. These studios all use new animation innovations to improve their work, instead of just cutting down on cost. Compare that to the relative unambitious work on character animation in Frontier versus 90s Macross OVAs and you'll see the difference.

Not many anime movies can match the visual performance of DYRL to this day so comparing it to Frontier isn't that useful. Frontier was all round pretty good for a TV show. Altough it looks the makers definitely prioritised the mecha action. Character animation, design and art is rather unremarkable compared to some other recent anime productions and even the 90s Macross OVA's like M Plus and M7 Dynamite look better in that department.

Interesting, I always wondered what happened in the Macross II timeline between DYRL and MII. Is there a summary of events (for those that cannot read Japanese) around that fills in the gaps? Doing some google searches left me a bit confused with several contradicting explanations, including some that deny the existance of a separate timeline.

Don't worry, Adam Smith, groundlayer of the princles of the market, captured the nobility of the working man very elegantly : "The uniform, constant and uninterrupted effort of every man to better his condition, the principle from which public and national, as well as private opulence is originally derived, is frequently powerful enough to maintain the natural progress of things toward improvement, in spite both of the extravagance of government, and of the greatest errors of administration. Like the unknown principle of animal life, it frequently restores health and vigour to the constitution, in spite, not only of the disease, but of the absurd prescriptions of the doctor." In fairness, I don't think it's always needed, for example, Star Trek uses the "horn of plenty" story device and looks at a utopian society where people no longer need to work to provide for their material well being. Exploring a society that works on different priciples from our own is one of the attractive sides of Sci-fi. BSG on the other hand does a great job in exploring the human condition in dark circumstances.

Seems the opinions differ on this release. Have to say I like the paint scheme, reminds me of a coast guard or test plane.

Ah thank you, it was 10 till 16 for me, they are not to bad on their own but they killed the flow of the season for me when marathoning. Though it picked up again straight after.

Which part of S3 was that again? It's been a while since I saw it but I recall a part of that season where I fast forwarded through some episodes.

hmm, I still have some Kiseki tapes of Macross II, if memory serves me right that was before 1995, or am I mistaken?

Rahxephon seconded. It's hard to deny that both plot and visuals have been influenced by EVA but Rax deserves to be judged on it's own merrits. Lovely art and character design, smooth storytelling and high quality animation, can't really go wrong here.