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Wow, what a resounding response from ........errr nobody.

Ditto Just a quickie, in the EDF scene there is a blue ship which looks like a Thuverl Salan Destroyer to me. Obviously I don't have a picture to hand so anyone else have any idea's as to what it is ??? Any views on what the ship in the upper centre of the image here below is ?? And to one of my earlier questions. What is the number on the Guantanamo on the right of the picture.

ROFL !!!!!!! Sorry about that, perhaps I should have put Any at the start of the subtitle.

Actually as we have you on the subject Nanashi, any idea's on the numbering conventions for CV's ??? And total UNS Fleet size ??? And numbering and designation convention for Bolognese Frigates ?? (we assume FFG, as in the US Navy's.)

No Lightening, its getting somewhere. Progress my good man, progress. Re: the EDF Ships........butter that blows another theory out of the water, but isn't there a Guantanamo that has a number somewhere in the region of 1000+ or maybe its my video copy is so buggered now it just looks that way.

Max, as I said before my site is an rpg site, and thus I have to use a certain amount of guesswork. Plus Im constrained by the limitations of the Palladium gaming system, and common sense for what would and wouldn't be used/added. I don't claim to be 100% accurate, but arguing over the percentage is a bit daft isn't it. Hence my comment of wanting to kidnap Kawamori-San so I can get every last bit of info out of him on weapons, equipment, mecha complement, etc, etc. Then once that is done I'll be personally leading the attack on Harmony Golds offices As to Southcross' point.......yes I have been there and yes I have seen that. All that covers Nanashi on is his own work. In otherwords it states his claim under the Millenium Digital Copyright legislation to the time and hard work he has put in to the stuff on his site, but not to the Macross stuff, which leads of course to Big West. The Big West mention denotes Big Wests rights, and all things Macross, even the slightest mention. HOWEVER........under copyright law, by Nanashi placing HIS name on the images he is legally implying that they are his copyrighted material. Im noting this for Nanashi's benefit as copyright is a bitch, as I know. And despite my disagreements with him over references and material Im loathe to have him get his arse dragged into court over copyright. (One reason Im glad Im in the UK, as Harmony Gold can't touch me MWU HA HA HA)

Erm could actually be a month now. But Im working on the Octo as well. So not long until thats up either.

Any news on a This Is Animation Special: Macross Zero book yet ????

Thanks Daeudi for making the point I've been trying to get across. I know Nathan would be screaming it to. Personally me, and a lot of others would like him to reference ALL of his work, (those people have been quite active requesting it on this site,) so that we can corroborate it, and utilise the artwork, and get a better understanding of the inner workings of Macross. We can't do that though if Nanashi or anyone else like him is holding onto the references like its the One Ring to Rule them. We aren't even asking for references on every page, (although that would be nice for ease of knowing what is referenced where,) but a single page like Egan's would be fine. Valkyrie, simmer down. Im referring to Nanashi's previous incarnations of his site, and some of the work that was on it, (he had canon and fanfic.) And I never stated that I spoke for everyone, just a select few. So stop getting your knickers in a twist. In addition I always point people to Egans site for 200% factual references if they want it, and I would expect them to do. Also, my site is NOT every RPG site, and I am also not accountable for newbies. Jeleinen, (Nanashi you'd better read this too,) just a quick point. And this isn't meant to sound hard, BUT....... Nanashi doesn't actually own the copyright on any of the material he has created......to a point. He has ownership rights over his site, and the the wording, but the Macross data, references and images are all copyrighted to Big West. Trust me on this as the MRC has looked into the copyright angle for the last 3 years so as to cover ourselves. In fact if you were to write a Macross fanfic story you'd only own your work, but not any of the Macross references within it. Mention the SDF-1, and Big West could legally order you to remove it if they chose to do so. So Nanashi's actually on VERY dicey ground by plastering his name as copyright on the images on his site. As from a legal point of view it indicates that he claims copyright ownership of the images, and they are copyrighted to Big West. With his name on them he could potentially find himself being sued by Big West for copyright infringement. (Highly unlikely they'd do it though.) The code to stop people right clicking however he can happily do as its not a copyright issue. That copyright actually applies to every single Macross site on the web, including MW, and my own. In fact because of the complexity and arsey nature of copyright law Big West could conceivably demand that you stop saying the word Macross if they wanted. (I hate copyright, its a pain in the arse, and far too bloody complex.) Thankfully Big West is not 'Less than Harmony' Gold, and they certainly seem to understand the love that we Macross fans have for the series' and OVA's. If they 'were' Harmony Gold though Im quite sure that most of us would be forced to sing, 'We love Carl' every morning, and be being sued for having Macross toys/books/sites/etc.

So Egans wrong then hmm ???? Personally Im more inclined to believe Egan...someone who has sat next to the Big Floating Head himself, and works tirelessly to give accurate information, than Nanashi. Reason being that Nanashi's previous work have involved some made up stuff, and MAJOR guesswork passed off as fact. Something that annoys a lot of us that have hoped to use him as a source of credible information and have been thus left discounting his work as fiction. In addition the sources that you have noted are people you claim are former employee's of Studio Nue, and as that previous discussion ascertained they are not the official source on Macross. And The_Major, its weep and not weap. Egan however quotes his sources. http://www.anime.net/macross/endnotes/index.html As to RPG sites, and newbies reading them ?? Mine is not the only site around that deals with Macross from an RPG point of view. There are also Robotech sites that mix and match, and plenty of supposedly accurate, 'canon' Macross RPG sites that actually put in any old rubbish they feel like. I use 100% official sources, and have scoured the episodes and OVA's until I've worn by video heads useless, and I still have to make educated guesses as to certain things within the Macross universe. As to people using RPG sites for accurate information, more fool them. Anyone with any sense would use Egan Loo's Macross Compendium, or the official Macross website. Most RPG sites are wholly inaccurate, but mine I'd say is 90-95% accurate, and 5-10% educated guesswork, based on what is seen in the series and OVA's. Regarding these other numbered ships, Nanashi, perhaps you'd be so kind as to post images for us to see. As I have no recollection of those numbers within the EDF scene.

Thank you KingNor but I think I now what Im doing. Besides what I put is a bit of an exaggeration.

Blah blah blah !!!!!! Personally I'll be taking Egans info over yours anyday, you don't reference, and you are renowned for making stuff up. And before you even think of attacking me verbally, I reference, and use official sources only, and use my intelligence to try and work out what BW, and Kawamori-San are thinking and doing. Doesn't mean I get it right all the time, but Im pretty damn spot on the majority of the time. Regarding the numbering its based on simple logic, and what is seen. Not to mention that we know there is a distinct artists fudge factor involved. Hence, the following of the officially acknowledged numbers of ships. Plus Kawamori-San's preference for following US Navy styles. There is also a ship with a number in excess of 1000 somewhere in the EDF scene in Mac Plus. But we are acknowledging that as artist fudge factor. Of course if the big floating head himself would clear things up then it would make it all hunky dory. As you seem to believe that your the know it all of Macross, perhaps you'd like to tell us what the Uraga's class name is then ??? Oh and btw, read the link below before answering that question. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...raga/index.html In fact read it and weep.

The Uraga Class Escort Battle Carrier is replacing the Guantanamo Class Stealth Cariers seen in Macross Plus and Macross 7. Not sure where you get the CV-350 as a Uraga Class Nanashi, as the Guanatamo Class Carriers go up to 399. The Uraga's take over at or around 400. Although thats theory as they use the same designation of CV, which is also used by the US Navy. All carriers in the USN use the CV designation be it CV, CVN, CVL, CVA, etc, etc, and are numbered in sequential order. In Macross CV seems to cover only CV, and VC, (Variable Carrier,) which is Guantanamo's, Uraga's, and Sentinels. Which is why we see 404 to 417 in Macross 7, 551 in MDM: VF-X, and 565 in MDM:VF-X2 Macross and Macross Series also had CV's, but as they are naval not space they don't seem to follow the same numbering. The Prometheus was a CVS, and the Asuka II was a CVN, (CVN-99, following the US Navy pattern of designating Carriers with CV, and Nuclear powered ones with an N at the end. Hence CVN.) Of course if you really want to confuse people look behind Isamu just before he gets shipped off to Eden. On the wall is the ships plaque. It shows a Uraga Class Carriers outline, and mention SDAC. Super Dimensional Aircraft Carrier. I swear one day.........Im going to kidnap Kawamori-San, and tie him up until he answers every single ship, mecha, location, Fleet size, and Minmei's vital measurements question I have Below are a number of links to Egans site, and the RPG stats I've done, (so you can see piccies.) Egan Loo's Data on them http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...raga/index.html http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...namo/index.html RPG Stats http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/maizuru.html Guanatamo http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/arkroyal.html Uraga http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/UragaVariant.html Saratoga http://unsd.macrossrpg.com/sentinel.html Sentinel

DOH !!!! Bloody habit of writing Variable every other word. LOL I was only looking at the text. My day tends to consist of posts something like this: "..........the Variable Fighter shudders as it hits the planets atmosphere........." "Mina's VF-11 Variable Fighter bucks wildly in the shockwave of the Zaubergeran's missile attack....." "Your Variable Fighter is prepped and ready to go Lieutenant" As you can see over at the Macross RPG Community Im often writing Variable or Variable Fighter a dozen times a day

I never called it a Variable Destroid, you did. I just referred to it as a Destroid.

Does anyone have any solid data on this destroid yet ??? I.E. size, height, weight, speeds, etc ???

The original TV series ARMD's design were ignored after DYRL in favour of the DYRL design, (like many things.) However both the TV and DYRL designs follow a similar design but with minor differences. My theory is that the sections on the sides of the Megaroad are just firmly attached to the Megaroad but internally are designed like the ARMD's as a Nathan said, to be the military portion. Obviously their exterior view would also look similar in design to the original ARMD's. With regards to the later ARMD's after DYRL, the model is the Guantanamo Class Stealth Carrier, which in the 2040's is being phased out by the Uraga Class Stealth Carrier, which looks more like a conventional carrier. If you look beneath Isamu's feet, and out the window, onboard the carrier at the start of episode 1 of Macross Plus you will see both Guantanamo, and Uraga, class carriers.

I think that everyone is getting hung up on the general outline, and red out-lined landing point markings. Yes they do look like an ARMD platform, but close observation shows that those sections are in fact firmly attached to the Megaroad. I think that they are engine pods that just happen to have been influenced in design by the ARMD.

LMFAOROFL !!!!!!! Yes of course they do. And I suppose you still believe in the tooth fairy ???? 'Full of Wind' Jammer is renowned for..................... bending the facts. A lot of his stuff is most certainly not relying on official sources. If it was Im sure he would be more than happy to provide the proof here, and pass it on to Egan Loo who has access to THE official source itself. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...armd/index.html

Cheyenne Anti-Air Interception Destroid stats up OCC's also all updated, and the Spacy/Navy/UNSM/Army/Air Force OCC's for enlisted and Officer will be worked on some more over the next fortnight

I wouldn't take that ARMD Data as gospel chaps. As its not found anywhere but Nanashi's. With regards to the Guanatanamo Class Stealth Carriers they are supposedly being replaced by the URaga Class Stealth Carriers by the time of M7. But both Guantanamo and Uraga Class Carriers can be seen out of the window and through the floor in Mac Plus Episode 1. (Also orbiting Earth in 3 & 4.) If Guantanamo's are being phased out by 2040 they have got to have been around a while, probably 20 years byt he way that most Navies today work. So they are mostly likely from a few years after Flashback 2012. Probably close to the end of the 2010's. Same theory seems to hold for the Bolognese Frigates. Although they aren't being replaced.

Zentraedi Language Zentran = male Meltran = Female Collective terms for the sexes are: Zentraedi (also used for the entire race as well) Meltrandi Although there is nothing official, all evidence points to the zentraedi genes being dominant in gender determination at conception, however if a half zentran or half meltran has a child with a human its an unknown. Macross II would indicate that the gender domination is still in force, but past that its back to the old human lottery.

Well we've made some estimates for its height at the MRC Boards but thats assuming the guy stnading next to the Cheyenne is 6 foot tall. That would make the Cheyenne 38 feet tall. Not a bad height bearing in mind that the Tomahawk is only 3 feet taller at 41 feet, and the Defender is about 37 feet tall.

The Macross Compendium Glossary refers to them as the UNSM (United Nations Space Marines.) Sadly people keep slapping a C on the end for Corp, thinking its the same as the USMC, (United States Marine Corp.) The naming is more like the Royal Marines however. They are a Corp, but the word is never used in the title or in daily use.