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I see this pic is posted at rt.com, but where was the press announcement or was this a joke?

As far as I know...no official announcement yet. I asked and someone answered. That is also how I found out about the maroon color scheme....which is from Robotech #0. <_<

Feel sorry for me!! I haven't seen the first two, only the third.

Don't worry...ADV will be able to fix that soon...or at least as soon as they get all 3 to DVD.

From what I understand its the maroon VF-1R colors of Wolf Squadron that Archer had in the Robotech #0. Why in the hell they would do that is beyond me....

I have to say SDC: Southern Cross and Babylon 5 for myself personally.

It really depends on what you are looking for and what you expect from the series.

Actually, the sound would be considered seperate. While Tatsunoko handled the animation, I don't believe they had anything to do with the dubbing.

Its not about who has to do with what, its about who actually payed for it, and I think TP would have payed for it. That would include the voices. As for the BGM, it would probably fall in the same category as the songs.

Go back and read the ORIGINAL ruling. IIRC, it stated that the Defendants (Tatsunoko) own the music and presumably the voicetrack.

Well, what do you expect. Look at RT 2004....no new information, and whenever anyone asks for any over there they get dogpiled on.

Yes and no....

Hey fans,

We have not forgotten your desire to hear more about the R2K4 project. Once we provide more information, your wait will have been worth it.

Tom Bateman

ROBOTECH.COM

From what little Ive gathered...the series IS in production. One of the reasons for the long delay with no news was that the series was still in preproduction....which is ok with me. I would rather the series have an extended preproduction so that they get the kinks worked out. That was one of the largest problems with The Sentinels was the fact that it had almost no preproduction. Thats why the stories left something to be desired.

And to think that they spent all that time here in Tampa filming The Punisher and I never once went down to try out to be an extra. Heh.....

I wanna see more picts of voluptuous, lapriding vampire Minmei.

Vostok 7

Yea sure...

as if the comics weren't doing bad enough. I wonder if it has occured to Tommy that its time to move on from The Macross Saga? <_<

Well....

there is another Valkyrie MPC on the way. Jack Archer in Wolf Squadron colors.....not sure if this will be a VF-1R or not.

I dont think Im gonna rush to get this......just a hunch.

OK some of this is giving me a headache...

Let's say Wrylac is right, that TP/hg does have the international rights and rights to make derivatives, but what can they do since BW has the line art and the UN Emblem? It looks to like both side would be relegated to an alternate universe type thing, without going into the other guy's "territory." TP can't have the Macross, the UN Emblem or later VFs anywhere, and BW can't call what ever new series Macross.

Well....

at least from what Ive gathered is that HG WONT be using the UN Spacy Symbol ever again and the VF-1 Valkyries are all moot now anyway....the only exception MIGHT be the Robotech version of the VF-4....but I dont see it being used either. If somehow a prequel series to Robotech were made....the Zentraedi's ancestors probably were totally different (and micronized anyway) so Im not certain that Macross will have any bearing on the future of Robotech.

The future of the Macross franchise might require that both sides come to terms and work things out. Money talks....at least we hope it does.

I thought this was an interesting little easter egg find. Could be one of the animators for that scene was a Macross fan. Maybe a better shot of it will be able to be seen in the new remastered SDC: SC coming in 2 weeks. Im gonna have to take a look at that scene on the new DVDs. Also gotta find Minmay....supposedly there is a poster of Minmay somewhere in SC....

Hey....

you forgot Mika Doi's greatest performance ever....as Lana Isavia in Super Dimensional Cavalry: Southern Cross!

As for I.D.H....eh...it was okay.

Personally....

I couldnt give a good g@dda@mn if they fragged up the color schemes of every mecha in the show. The story's SUCK! Who give a f$ck if they look nice. I (and Im NOT alone on this) am sick of the shaft that The Robotech Masters segment is getting (specifically The Army of the Southern Cross). <_<

The stories are BAD rehashes of sh@t from the Tv show that in turns violates the Tv series continuity because Tommy has said he doesnt give a rip about the continuity. The only saving grace is that even the comics cannot retcon the show...as the show has been declared what is canon...and that it is to be the gospel when the comics diverge (which they do). Wolfe being in his 50's when he bites the bullet in 2043 is asinine.

Tommy has a twisted vision of the show and that is unfortunate. I dont give a rip if he thinks the ASC is the defacto Anti-Unification League...that ISNT the series and that ISNT good story telling. Its the same sh@t that was in McKinney and that was decanonized...so it make litte sense for me to even give the comics the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Heh....

I voted Game Boy cause I dont own any others.

Actually that article has mispronounced the new name of Pioneer entertainment... they are actually changing their name to Genom and plan to release a new line of robots to help mankind into the next century.

Heh...

that was my thought as well.

Geneon sounds strange.

There's been alot of discussion over at the Middle-Earth Online message board about how the MEO Dev Team can avoid the trap of making either an EverCrack clone or the endless futility of SWG. Alot of people, myself included, dont want a game where you have Orcs dropping mithril ingots or Elven Swords of Gondolin. We also dont want a game that has no point to the economy. The endless succession of beating up Orcs, looting them and then going back to town needs to stop. Im fearful because the Devs dont seem to understand that fully articulated plate armor is way beyond the technology of Middle-Earth.

As for the Droid Engineers.....Im sad to hear that. Seems someone at Sony had their head up their arse to make an R5 Droid and a Protocol Droid essentially the same droid...just different looking. Not like that kind of stupidity hasnt happened before. I had thought about getting SWG and opening an account. Im gonna have to wait and see I guess.

For some horror....this is a piece that the Dev team at MEO submitted for the Elves (Im guessing Noldor)

Is it me...or do they look like Sidhe from Changeling: the Dreaming?

In an effort to bring even more info here from Southern Cross,

Im reposting part of a find over at the RDF HQ Message Board (thanks once again to Zor_Master for a good eye).

It seems that there might be some Zentraedi letters on the computer screen of George Sullivan's in eps. #9 Star Dust (eps. #46 Star Dust in Robotech). Anyone else think this might be a neat little coincidence?

(image courtesy of rtsurfer)

Agreed. The actual division of the copyright is sadly lacking. As for BW producing all the Macross derivitives for 20 years, this is a point that has been brought since before any ruling was made. And most of us think that had TP even have legal rights to the Macross franchise, they've basically given it up.

Perhaps the lack of elaboration is intentional?

As for TP....we don't know that they hadn't been sending word to BigWest to stop producing stuff past Flash Back 2012. They could easily have sent a cease and desist to BW once Macross II became a reality.

Ok what is a Reflex Furnace anyway? Is it a protoculture powered reactor?

Essentially....yes. We dont know the particulars of the engines specifications....

Im getting Mospeada after I buy Southern Cross. It came down to saving my pennies for SC. I could have won a copy of Mospeada at AX....but they freakin asked an EXCEL SAGA question when giving out the Mospeada set....instead of a Mospeada one. Typical.

According to the novels, the city was pretty much radio-active after the fight.  So the RDF bulldozed the remains of the city into the lake, filling it in & then covering everything with dirt (to hold in the radioactivity)  The mounds were the three ships that were sticking up above the water level.  Seemed simple for me to go with the 3 mounds = 3 ships explanation.

While it is confirmed in the Tv series that the site of New Macross City was irradiated (and sealed off) it is also confirmed that the ruins themselves are that of the SDF-1 alone (Emerson, Green, Rochelle, Dana and others all state that the ruins are that of the SDF-1). Dana says that it was the site of Earth's first battlefortress. Thats pretty specific that the second (SDF-2) was nowhere around there.

While the site is that of New Macross City (at least according to Bowie) it has only been an assumption that those three mounds are EXACTLY where the SDF-1 was located. Whatever may have been salvageable was likely carried away (along with any of the prefab structures) and the 3 reflex furnaces were left where they were....covered in dirt (and possibly some concrete) to prevent any spillage or leakage of irradiated materials.

I figured I would repost Matt's theory here. Its been discussed at Robotech.com and at the RDF HQ Message Board. For those of you who missed it....

These mounds to not appear to be big enough to contain even the entire remains of the SDF-1, let alone the carcass of Khyron's ship and remnants of New Macross City. Hear me out on this one:

First off, regardless of Macek’s intent, the mounds are only ever regarded as the remains of the SDF-1. Neither SDF-2, New Macross City or Khyron’s vessel are ever even hinted at in the animation. So let us focus on what parts of the SDF-1 we may be looking at in the mounds.

The chamber containing the Protoculture factory appears to be very sacred in nature. It had carved stones and a narrow but defined (and stone) passageway leading to this room. This appears to be a carefully constructed, elaborate shrine to the Protoculture. I believe that this chamber was aboard the SDF-1 the entire time, simply not uncovered by inhabitants of the ship during its two decades in human hands. If this chamber is indeed inside a once functional massive reflex furnace, the humans may not have dissected the engine—there may well have been non-functional furnaces they could glean this information from without resorting to reverse-engineering a functional unit.

Why three mounds? Perhaps there were three such massive furnaces (of such scale that they were not shown in the animation) were on the SDF-1. One in each massive chest/thruster area and one in the central torso, just aft of the fold drive to provide that drive with power (the fold drive was located in the forward part of the central hull in ship mode or in the pelvis of the ship in battloid mode). Or perhaps one each Leg (in the foot region) instead of the chest sections. In any case, one of the three would have had a section with its structure used for a different purpose.

Why didn’t the humans notice this furnace was not producing as much power? Hmmm. Let us try this analogy: a V8 engine with only 6 cylinders and the rest of that interior spaced being used to house something secret. But it would be obvious. The power output of that unit would need to be nearly the same as the other furnaces and all the necessary wires and such would need to lead somewhere (and do something!). Perhaps Zor or his disciples did the equivalent of boring out and increasing the stroke of the remaining cylinders to make up the difference in power. The furnace may not have had the life-expectancy of the other units, but it may have been able to produce nearly as much power.

Why round? Why are they mounds and not cubes? Most Robotech drives we see (whether they are the anti-grav drives or the smaller reflex units seen in the animation) are cylindrical in form. I see no reason why these massive furnaces would not be cylindrical as well. It is the cylindrical form of these devices that give the mounds their distinctive shape. Dirt, rock and non-salvagable parts of the ship were loaded up around the drives. Nature quickly covered the tops of these mesa-like mounds with life (or the vegetation was planted there on purpose to slow erosion?).

Now why bury the primary Reflex drives of the SDF-1? Perhaps only the furnaces were buried as they were found to be radioactive after Khyron’s attack. Hmmm.

Perhaps the furnaces simply were no longer functioned and there was no need to salvage them—there are Zentraedi ships covering the landscape during the post-Dolza Reconstruction (including one in Monument City if I am not mistaken) that are curiously missing in the Robotech Masters portion of the show. Maybe those ships and their corresponding drives were used in the creation of the Pioneer mission/Expeditionary Force.

Perhaps, if we are to believe Yune and the current team, the factory was indeed found inside one of these now useless drives and was left on Earth because no one would have reason to look inside the old, broken down remains of the SDF-1—including the commanders of Earth’s remaining Robotech defense force, the Armies of the Southern Cross, whom the leaders of the Expeditionary/Pioneer Mission did not fully trust.

Whatever these mounds are, the Robotech Masters were able to open one up to extract the factory. This does not happen with some random heap of debris—I don’t care how powerful the Masters are!

The name. SX Point 83. Perhaps SX.83 could be the translated designation of that particular drive unit—the Masters certainly seemed to know what Emerson was speaking about. That simply could have been the model number of that unit or that style of furnace. Whatever SX.83, it does not appear to be some randomly assigned human designation. Perhaps the Masters heard that designation through Zor Prime when he was a simulagent.

I need to find out the exact size of those mounds and compare them to the SDF-1... If the mounds are too large to fit within the SDF-1, perhaps only the core of the mounds was made from a drive. But I think this idea of mine has merit.

I have been thinking about the inorganic sentry/Invid trap and am choosing not to believe they’re speaking about their shadows on the viewscreen. Perhaps they are receiving energy readings from the factory that are peculiar—it had not occurred to them at that point that the factory itself could have been corrupted by the sprouting flower of life. Perhaps this instability within the factory showed up on their scanners and they did not know how to interpret the information. Perhaps at a previous enounter with the Disciples of Zor or the Invid the Masters had walked straight into a trap and were beign cautious not to do it again. Perhaps the mounds are actually somewhat radioactive and they took these radioactive reading to mean there was a presence of some sort within the mounds.

In any case, this is never mentioned again and our heroes never run across anything resembling an inorganic sentry or Invid trap, so I believe the Masters are mistaken in this assumption.

Whew! Other thoughts on all this?

Using that image, the mounds are approx. 80 meters wide and between 30 and 40 meters tall (depending on image used). Like I suspected, these mounds are not very big. Many seem to underestimate how HUGE the SDF-1 really is/was/could be.

As you can see, there are limited places for the drives to live in a bird's eye view, but the furnaces are not that tall, so they have much vertical room to live (it's also possible that half or more of each furnace is beneath the ground and we are only seeing the tops). As noted in the image, the three mounds are in more or less the same places as chest thrusters/central torso on the ship.

I for one think this is a great bit of insight by Matt. For one thing, it does bear out what I, and others, have been saying for the longest time....that the SDF-2 is NOWHERE present in the ruins....nor is Khyron's cruiser.

One of the largest problems with the Matchbox hovertank was the fact that the armored carapace/skirt wasnt large enough. On top of that, the gun pod scabbard was missing...as well as the gun pod. If you could make the carapace longer and sized more proportion to the mecha...as well as adding the gun pod scabbard (and gun pod) it might be passable.

Sad, sad day.

Yes, who could forget Robert Palmer's "backup" for Addicted to Love and Simply Irresistible. Heh, we're all getting older. Too bad....wonder if it was preventable what he had.

Hmm, I think it's one of those games that are better off remaining as a game instead of being turned into movies. I'd rather have it follow a Colonial Marine instead of a Predator, it's much scarier.

Amen brother. Amen.

God...who in Hollywood thought up this piece of crap script idea? They've gotta be sucking on the crack pipe daily to come up with something this stupid. Why they would abandon a well thought out Survival Movie idea (Colonial Marines end up on a planet seeded with Aliens so the Predators can have a hunt) in favor of "Lets kill of modern industrialist/Enron kind of guy and an associated group of pathetic morons as well". <_<