Aegis!

Well , now that the Super O and ELint are out there´re only two possible releases left , those being the Monster (which with the large number of bankrupt members will pretty much go unnoticed ) and the Q-Rau (that´s one baby I ought to have).

Th one toy I´m looking foward too is the re-sculpted YF-19 FP. I really hope they get it right and as beautiful as possible.

After that It would be nice if Yamato either :

-Continued the enemy mecha line... ( read: Why should a poor lad like me live without a Glaug? )

- Continued the Destroid line...(read: I want my damn Spartan damnit )

or

- Get on with it and started producing M0 toys...(read: that VF-0D Shin variant is mine already! )

a friend of mine said they'll probably put the vf-1a (in low-vis colors) during the last couple episodes of macross zero....i dunno if it's true or now....i just heard it from him

Until I actually see it, I'm inclined to think otherwise. The VF-1 low viz was probably never slated to make an appearance. It's existance is based solely upon a custom created by someone who bought the 1/48 toy. However, if one person's custom toy can influence both a toy line AND an anime ova series, I'll be pleasently surprised.

It´s a nice dream but I seriously doubt so , but if it happens then you can be sure as hell there´ll be a customiser in Japan screaming like a School Girl in a Boys Band´s concert

In any case , Kawamori should definitively include the VF-1 in the later episodes or at the very least in Ep.5,independently of its colour scheme (Go Bulky Lee Go !)

Gotta love engrish

I bet the other slots must be for the Armored VF-0 , a new Anti-UN fighter (the compendium has a SV-52 listed so who knows...), the VF-1 (hopefully as a low-vis variant ) and the other Destroid.

Graham can I ask you something ?

When did Yamato really start planning the production of the 1/48 line ?

I ask this because I´ve noticed that not only does the 1/48 line emulate the same pattern of releases of the 1/60 line but after the sheer fanatism of people towards these toys the 1/60 line seems unnecessary and obsolete in the complete sense of the word.

Is there still a market for the 1/60 line when there´s a better product available for the consumer (which apparently has no economical restrains) ?

My reason for this awkward questions is that I´m curious about the prospects of success (for both Yamato and the consumer ) for the upcoming 1/72 line in regards to the 1/48 line popularity , in other words how is Yamato gonna cope with a more demanding consumer who´s accustomed to high quality products if they are to release another mass production line (read: not as good as 1/48s)?

I´m not sking for official info in any way just your thoughts and opinion

The only improvements I can think of are :

1) improve the pilot sculpt , add more detal and perhaps somoe articulation on the arms at the very least.

2) Reduce the price for God sake !

3) Add grey panel lines

Thanks guys , at least I now know that there´s another version of Ep.2 , hopefully it doesn´t have the distortion problem , but there´s still the doubt of whether the subs are good enough though

Looks like you're right. From what I read from the Japanese text, the VF-0 is a experimental testbed of overtechnology implementation for what seems like all current and future VF's. The only reason it looks like the VF-1 was because it was designed within the same time period, but the design is definitely an advancement, and not a precursor.

Also, whether or not we'll see the VF-1 is really based on how long the story is going to drag out. If you look, at the chronology on the compendium, the official rollout of the trial VF-1A takes place only two months after the events of Macross Zero!

That´s what I´ve been saying , glad someone agrees with my perspective.

As I said , Kawamori oughts to show the VF-1 (maybe the low-vis , who knows ) in Macross Zero , at least by ep.4 as a mean to have a more powerful VF in the war against the Anti-UN and if not making a glorious appearance in ep.5 , independently of wheter the VF-0 is a prototype or not.

Cheers mate

I wonder if by now there´re more versions of Macross Zero Ep.2 like the one of Ep.1 which doesn´t feature the messy horizontal lines distortion thingy.

does anyone have a copy of Ep.2 that isn´t the MI version though ?

I´m trully desperate for a domestic/international release

Jesus , Yamato had us waiting a long time for new 1/60s , wonder if they´ll continue much further after the Monster and Q-rau , well they have been busy with the 1/48 so maybe they switch to 1/60 mass production back again...who knows.

I´m that of a big fan of these valks so I´ll have to pass , but another toy I pass now is another toy I´ll get tomorrow

What´s up with the Boxes ? is Yamato venturing into the pet transportation business or what ? that thing can fit my cat ! Standing UP !!

Just a small question.- yeah I know it has been asked before but I assumed that by now there would be more variety and more people with the DVDs-.

Which Macross Zero DVDs (apart from the un-subbed original DVDs) are the best quality to your experience ? I recall there´re FX and MI versions of DYRL but I haven´t seen any details regarding swheter there´s more than one subtitled version of the first 2 OVAs (they all just say Macross Zero HK version or just that is subtitled).

I would want to know how good the subs are and the video quality as well (below or above fansubs quality?).

Thanks in advance

Cheers

The only alternative ending I can think of is if Isamu was the one fighting the Ghost and Guld the one that goes to recue Myung , then Isamu somehow kicks the hell out of the X-9 just in time for him to arrive at the precise moment Sharon rams the YF-21 with the SDF-1 , now that would be nice , think of the shock both Myung and Isamu would get. I wonder why the Neo Glaug (or the variable Glaug I forgot, well it´s the one from MP:GE for PSX) never was featured in the OVA or Movie , it would´ve been nice to see the VF-5000 as well

I´m only interested in two Destroids , the Spartan and the new M0 Destroid (it has wheels and rotable arms like the Konig , I just love that, what do you expect from me ). the main things have been pointed out already but it would be nice to have replaceable parts featuring damage , like a hanging arm with wires and things like that .

Seeing that this series had characters from most sequels and prequels I think that the second series might contain Roy or Max , Basara, Edward or Sara and possibly someone from Macross Plus this time. I wonder if they would release all versions of Sharon Apple . Anyway I´m hoping to see Shin or DD Ivanov from M0 simply because I love the suits and helmet

fortunately my birthday is in February so I won´t have to pay for this little gift

Currently my fav toy is the 1/60 VF-1J , I was looking at the upcoming 1/48 VF-1J and I have to recognise I feel tempted but I´d rather buy a different toy like the Low-Viz or Hikaru 1S along with a GBP armour if sold separatelly.

In the meantime I pray that Yamato makes a VF-5000 and a VF-0D Shin variant , once those are out my arse belongs to them.

Aegis:

"if people can´t see beyond the animation improvements of later series then there´s nothing we can do to help them."

For one thing. in an animated show, the animation is key. if they animate something in a way that makes it look to be more advanced than something else, then that is what people will see.

Personally i think it is kind of careless to not put more effort into animating an older fighter to appear to be less agile than a newer one.

I'm studying in part to be an animator and i've learned that it takes alot more effort to restrain movement than it does to animate extreem movement. so while others may simply see it as a diffrent style and some neat crazy plane fighting, i see it as a big break in continuity. its my problem i guess. oh well

What I meant by seeing beyond the animation is that we shouldn´t assume something is/looks more advanced solely because of eye-candy animation and fast choreography. Perhaps the animators failed in representating the VF-0 technological limits by making an emphasis in the action of the battle and the early variable fighters dynamic combat. I believe that if they made M+ with M0´s animation it would be a lot faster and dynamic than what we saw in the original OVAs.

That said, if I was going to bet, I'd bet that Kawamori's intent is for the VF-0 to be a prototype in the VF-1 development program, and that existing continuity regarding the VF-X and VF-X-1 is being cast aside.

I highly doubt so , if they haven´t said that by now then it´s very difficult they´ll say it in the next episodes.

Kinda OT but I think people's views on VF-0 compared with the VF-1 (which being advanced and "advanced looking") may actually change if we see a VF-1 in future Macross Zero episodes.

I agree , I think many orthodox fans may find it unbearable to watch a new series that features a VF-1 look-alike without actually seeing the real thing in its newly animated glory ; that to my mind is the main reason people show so much critisism and biased assumptions agaisnt the VF-0.

mmm mate , Macross Zero is set in 2008 , the VF-X-1 first flight is in 2007 already and by 2009 the VF-1 makes its first appearance so I really doubt there would be 4 years between 2007-2009.

whoops my bad, forgot the date of macross zero, for some reason I thought it was earlier. Still the thought that they were developed togeather one as a high end fighter the other as a mass produced one is not a bad theory. It has happened the more advanced of two lines developed side being canceled even after early production for budget reasons. Also I know nothing bout VF-X, How cannon is this game considered?

VF-X and VF-X-1 are not games (well , there´s a game called VF-X but it has nothing to do with this) but rather the prototypes used to test the VF-1 desing.

WOW , Jesus , where the hell did that come from ? whoever did that is either a great modeler (if he did it from scratch) or is in contact with the owner of the one-off Hasegawa/Yamato contest model.

I don´t think is of much relevance if it´s just a fan model , but maybe Yamato (or rather Hasegawa) should keep an eye on this...maybe that´s a bit too paranoic though.

Everybody's seen this already, right?

That´s the version I mostly wanna see. But as a grey VF-0A cannon fodder. And of course Roy´s VF-0S type.

I DO wanna see the VF-0D as a first release so they prove any issues on it since I like the S and A types better.

That´s just me

yeah , from what we´ve seen so far in the OVAs we should expect at least the following variants:

-VF-0A cannon fodder

-VF-0S Roy

-VF-0D cannon fodder

-VF-0D Shin variant

-SV-51 cannon fodder

-SV-51 Nora variant

-SV-51 DD variant

-SV-52 ?

That´s a lot of toys , Yamato could release all the cannon fodder variants first and then the characters variants.

Considering most people on the boards are in the States (I believe a lot of guys are in California ) Kevin´s Valkyrie Exchange is the most popular place online ,but for most people overseas HLJ does the job (shame they had to cut the UPS delivery service though , I haven´t check the serive nowadays but I hope is as good as it´s always been).I haven´t bought from Twin Moons but I plan to do when the M0 line comes out.

Think of it this way people, ever see those pretty concept cars full of advanced dohickys on the showroom floor but you never see make mass production? Well thats the VF-0 for you. It was directly said the VF-0 is a test bed prototype limited run series. Its probably a very expensive prototype made to test out the variable frame that would eventually be adapted for the VF-1, a later but less advanced series of fighters. for those pointing out how the VF-0 uses fuel and not nuclear jets also remember they mention the VF-0 was supposed to have nuclear jets but had to make due with regular fuel cause of a shipping delay (just like my fast packs! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr), VF-0 highly advanced proto type. VF-1 a less advanced production series.

I think the VF-0, while I like it looks kinda clunky compared to the VF-1

Now, this is the thing I don´t get.

How could the VF-0 possibly be a damn prototype of the VF-1 if the VF-1 was one step away from being released from the production lines and the VF-1 airframe and design features were already tested by the VF-X and VF-X-1 series !? If anything the VF-0 draws/copies the design of the VF-1. It would be very foolish if we assumed the VF-0 was an older model than the VF-1 simply because of the numeration of the valkyries...And don´t use that ¨oh the VF-1 could be considered a future fighter¨ argument because it doesn´t make sense.

Think about it , where did the UN get its basic design for most of the Pre-2040 valkyries ? the VF-1 ! where do you think they would get the design for a new testbed in 2008 if there´s no other variable fighter design apart from the VF-1 !? I mean , C´mon people isn´t it obvious ? I hate to put nostalgia and sentimentalism aside for once but not because I love the VF-1 am I going to assume there´s no space for a early development of a fighter during a time which until now was completely empty in the continuity.

And the idea that the VF-0 is or looks more advanced than the VF-1 is just ridiculous, if people can´t see beyond the animation improvements of later series then there´s nothing we can do to help them. How difficult can be to accept the VF-0 could just simply be a testbed for testing new armament system and stealth features for fighters like the VF-X-4 ?

When has it ever been stated the VF-1 even exists in macross zero? I don't remember ever hearing mention of its existence. for all you know it could be another 4 years till a VF-1 is even made.

mmm mate , Macross Zero is set in 2008 , the VF-X-1 first flight is in 2007 already and by 2009 the VF-1 makes its first appearance so I really doubt there would be 4 years between 2007-2009.

Taking this into account we could say that the VF-0 and VF-1 projects were paralel to each other and in that sense one was aimed to be the cheap mass production model and the other one a testbed for post-VF-1 fighters. So maybe in 2008 the VF-X-1 project went in two different ways , one the VF-0 proggrame and the other the VF-1 proggrame (and no , the VF-0 could not possibly be the VF-X-1 prototype because that prototype was used for space flight test using thermonuclear engines).

I have to agree though that Kawamori owes to put the VF-1 in Macross Zero , at least by the end of the series or even by Ep.4 , with the all-new animation treatment.

Think of it this way people, ever see those pretty concept cars full of advanced dohickys on the showroom floor but you never see make mass production? Well thats the VF-0 for you. It was directly said the VF-0 is a test bed prototype limited run series. Its probably a very expensive prototype made to test out the variable frame that would eventually be adapted for the VF-1, a later but less advanced series of fighters. for those pointing out how the VF-0 uses fuel and not nuclear jets also remember they mention the VF-0 was supposed to have nuclear jets but had to make due with regular fuel cause of a shipping delay (just like my fast packs! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr), VF-0 highly advanced proto type. VF-1 a less advanced production series.

I think the VF-0, while I like it looks kinda clunky compared to the VF-1

Now, this is the thing I don´t get.

How could the VF-0 possibly be a damn prototype of the VF-1 if the VF-1 was one step away from being released from the production lines and the VF-1 airframe and design features were already tested by the VF-X and VF-X-1 series !? If anything the VF-0 draws/copies the design of the VF-1. It would be very foolish if we assumed the VF-0 was an older model than the VF-1 simply because of the numeration of the valkyries...And don´t use that ¨oh the VF-1 could be considered a future fighter¨ argument because it doesn´t make sense.

Think about it , where did the UN get its basic design for most of the Pre-2040 valkyries ? the VF-1 ! where do you think they would get the design for a new testbed in 2008 if there´s no other variable fighter design apart from the VF-1 !? I mean , C´mon people isn´t it obvious ? I hate to put nostalgia and sentimentalism aside for once but not because I love the VF-1 am I going to assume there´s no space for a early development of a fighter during a time which until now was completely empty in the continuity.

And the idea that the VF-0 is or looks more advanced than the VF-1 is just ridiculous, if people can´t see beyond the animation improvements of later series then there´s nothing we can do to help them. How difficult can be to accept the VF-0 could just simply be a testbed for testing new armament system and stealth features for fighters like the VF-X-4 ?

yeah I have to agree with Omni here.

A 1/48 Macross Plus line would be unpractical and unaffordable. A 1/60 YF-19 would be about the same height as the 1/48 VF-1 , and as we´ve already seen , that size is big enough to make a great toy with lots of detail , so if you think about it , a 1/60 YF-19 would be just as good as the current 1/48 line.

Yamato is loosing sales even before they release the re-sculpted 1/72 YF-19FP because of the 1/48 craze ,maybe they´ll scrap it and go directly to 1/60...who knows , maybe they´ll make a uber-huge 1/48 YF-19 afterall, but I doubt they´ll get as many sales as with something smaller.

I even wonder why they bother announcing a 1/72 M0 line when people will eventually just buy 1/48 toys and nothing else , and if even if they decided to go everything-must-be-1/48 then there´d be nothing special about the 1/48 line because it would be the standard line and that would suck...

how dare you forget the Mighty Spartan !?

It has to be the most versatile Destroid of the whole bunch , the design is just beautiful and aggresive.

The new M0 destroid isn´t far behind though , as much as people say it´s too AC-ish I think is quite retro and mechanical looking , It may very well be one of the never-before-seen Destroids that were used before SW1.

I think the Spartan would make for a very good toy , and with the upcoming Q-Rau the idea of Destroid toys isn´t that far-fetched

Actually, I should retract my :yoshi: smilie. Drifands poll has three (3) choices, whereas Graham said it'll be a "win win" situation. To me, that says two of the three scenarios will come true, leaving the third out in the cold. So any bets as to what we'll see?

1) FAST packs and GBP

2) plain jane and FAST packs

3) plain jane and GBP

or worst case scenario

4) Toynami steals Macross license from Yamato and shoves MPC crappiness down our throats.

definitively : 4) Toynami steals Macross license from Yamato and shoves MPC crappiness down our throats. ...just joking

I think the costs of buying the plain valk and then separately the GBP would be to high , whereas buying them in a bundle would somehow lower costs , so I voted for number 3).

But it would be nice to see a Hikaru 1S with that lovely armour , and that valk is definitively going into my collection (that or the Low-viz and GBP ). November can´t come any sooner

Maybe it´s time I pick up this 1/48 , but I´ll wait until a GBP armour set is announced if it´s sold separately I may also buy a Low-vis as well(mainly because of the improvements and pilot). Who knows , I definetivley wait some more time to see what happens.