Paladinrja

I have a different take on that being a gamer and tech head myself. However I don't deny that this is the case. In short its really about console warriors and their particular concerns. I am not of the Wiki generation nor did I allow my kids to be mostly because it became fairly clear that anyone can say anything in what I understood was a mechanism designed to be a depository of facts. It clearly isn't used as such so I understand your concern. My vocation is in IT and of course game design is a part of the same overall field. That I am a gamer means I am happy to explain the Wii U but of course public perception prevents any authority I may possess or subscribe to from permeating any misunderstandings that widely socialize. Increasingly we live in a world where anything less than perceptively approaching perfection is therefore irrelevant. There is no such thing as failure, every failure is perceived as a complete failure. You may feel that shouldn't be the case but it is; that is how public perception works until things change. We can sit and epiphany a conversation about this til the cows come home. Which is kinda the reason why things are like this. Too many bright cookies with too much information to spew in academic recital and semantic debate means people protect themselves with ignorance. The problem then becomes that you have a buncha people that have to win at any cost and a larger bunch of people that feel they will never be good enough and increasingly can't be bothered. This is the larger problem. I personally like the Wii U, especially with the very loosely Macross/Eureka style Xenoblade Chronicles X about to drop and the new Starfox game with TV third person world view and gamepad screen first person cockpit view that you can pan around the cockpit and is used for precision targeting, instrument fidgeting; has multiple vehicles and in particular Airwings that now have a Gerwalk mode. Yes and I will display just how simple it was. I was pointed to a particular episode and a particular segment (twice) where I almost blatantly transcribed the scene and dialogue in a synapse and was twice rebuttaled refuting their own supportive argument. So, had my point refuted to be then twice refuted corroborating the debaters own arguments, twice. Lordy, lordy! What does it all mean!? I am also pretty sure I am terming semantic debates as exactly what they are and quite correctly. Well this was in response to another poster and on topic, however its a good opportunity to inform you that if I do not reply to you its a pretty good sign that I do not appreciate your input. Might I suggest that if you feel you need to continue this that you PM me?

That denoise cap I really like. May I ask which source you are using and what ls:cs:lt:ct (Luma spacial/temporal: Chroma spacial/temporal) you are using? I am going to use the Madman PAL discs and try to soften the blow of some of the artifacts introduced in production which annoy. I was thinking of using 1:1:3:3 or 1:1:4:4 for a slight reduction in file size whilst packing more quality in using Handbrake.

I am not complaining about anything. Way to miss the point of my example. I won't derail the thread by getting into a debate about gaming but the fact that this is on the cards is actually a nice illustration about my point regarding 'interpretation'. No gamer is going to be excessively happy with how mainstream society actually defines a gaming generation but then most gamers don't feel the need to combat it. Fact its the N'th generation of consoles because that coincides with the componentry and technologies implemented, so you are not wrong there at all. However, In gaming terms its supposedly 8th generation of game soft, which is about multiple render targets, asymmetric UX, asynchronous UI and Augmented Reality. Unfortunately due to online socialization of the mainstream, that never really gets explored as only one platform is doing that and it doesn't have popular support being in a space completely removed from what the bulk of the industry calls "next gen". Thus as far as I am concerned we are still in 7th Gen. So the mainstream may not illustrate their interpretation on point, but its also (by the same token) technically correct. I don't disagree with your overall sentiment in your post but then it doesn't affect me either. I am quite happy for people to believe what they want because nothing is going to prevent that anyway, just based on each individual investment alone. It has nothing to do with wikipedia and everything to do with online socialization and certain rather forceful loud individuals that can't abide the idea that what they are comfortable with can be challenged and therefore changed. No matter what anyone says. Macross, or any anime's supportive mythology, is derived from dramatization and therefore completely open to interpretation in the larger forum. There are not those with knowledge or those in possession of some empirical truth regarding it, not even by those whom are responsible for its continuity. What you and some others need to understand is that no one is out to debunk your consensus, but that is a two way process. By the same token you can absolutely forget anyone coming to these forums in order to enter into a hive mind ~ Thats not going to happen and I offer that its that very kind of thinking that is the root cause of all the debate surrounding Macross for decades past. I am aware of this, but also aware that much could have been avoided if people were more open to receiving the ideas of others. This is having gone through so much of the same bog of pointless semantic debate and also what has kept me away from community discussion surrounding Macross in the past and I dare say so many fans feel the same way. I hate to tell you but if your stance is that your burden of facts belies any other possibility of interpretation of a mythos, then you are going to have to prove that through entertaining every other differentiating interpretation presented to its conclusion. That is what makes an authority, an authority. An interpretation is not an opinion, it also uses the same process you have gained a consensus from, with others or no one. Not a battery of empiricisms used to reject the interpretations of others that have the guts to put that out there only to have that shut down because you feel too weary having to go over what may feel to like the same ground. There are no laurels here. A community is about sharing a common interest. Any time I have felt that wasn't me, I ceased to be part of that community or at the very least, simply have decided to stay out of topics I no longer feel like repeating myself over. You don't have to be well versed in the supporting material. There are always those that are and failing that, plenty of information available online that gets the gist across. Unless you are interested in getting into semantic debate, any real authority should be able to follow, collaborate and explore your interpretations. Specific corrections can always be made at whatever point the main part of a discussion has reached a conclusion/consensus. Its not a competition to see who can shut down topicality the fastest. That only communicates that there is no need for discussion at all. I have only attempted to make one thread. Anything else is me just offering what I know and an interest in driving whatever thread I have commented on forward; which is where someone such as yourself has been able to provide me with insight over my own nascent quandries that is much appreciated.

Yeah, I do too, especially for the old anime. Thats how I was introduced to it and so thats what I try to keep a semblance of. However you have actually provided me with some insight with what you have spoken about here that has now inspired me to try something. Thank you. You can't be serious... Granted socialization on the internet tends to like to go off into silliness. but let people talk. If you are confident in your knowledge then you can always politely correct anything you consider an oversight because it may just be only as simple as that. Most people are mature enough that no matter what they take away from a discussion to check their sources and facts before reciting them elsewhere. Most people whom are that interested in Macross know Big West are mostly financial backing and I have never seen it listed anywhere as anything else. This is like that whole need to firmly plant Studio Nue as a design body only. Thats actually inaccurate, they are not a huge studio but are capable of producing small projects which I believe they have been doing since the early 70's. Most are; or are at the very least capable of doing the body of work to be finished somewhere else and get it done, especially in the old days where there were a lot of small studio's that worked collaboratively. For something of the scope of Macross, well yah, they are not equipped and so Tatsunoko Pro are. None of which was even my point. It would have been enough to say "Ok, not the best analogy but I get what you mean". Its wonderful to have individuals that are clear about the processes in any topic but its not fair for you or them that all that comes to is a license to be paranoid. No ones lighting a fire under the internets rump over these little factoids, I assure you, even if you may have been unfortunate enough to have experienced the contrary. That would make sense. They're digital and currently already on the Macross bandwagon. Just to recap though, anyone whom is happy with what they know is brave enough to be wrong and let others be wrong. As an example:~ It took hundreds of people eager for information about Nintendo's Wii U to socialize it away from Gen 8 consoles. All on the word of a hardware cracker innocently looking to provoke a discussion about the platform specs. No one bothered to hang around and hear the guy caution that his initial spec discovery had peculiarities associated or self confess that he is not proficient with IBM SoI. It didn't stop everyone in the initial thread from going nuts eager to tell the world that the Wii U is a weak hardware platform, based solely on it not meeting an expected megahertz threshold and everyone ignorant of the fact that its was diagnosed incorrectly to begin with. In reality that appraisal couldn't be further from the truth. ..But that was hundreds of console warriors in a topic about an unknown platform. Not a few people talking about something well documented and easily corrected in good faith.

Hopefully they will go in and clean it up a lot. There are a lot of artifacts and imperfections that make me wonder what dropping it in HD would actually achieve at all. Misa.bmp

Not in your wildest dreams. I was being sarcastic. I am well aware of the min/maxing requirements of RPG gamers when taking license from other established canon. I specifically cited 'crush the head of the snake' in reply to your posturing over facts, of an episode, you cited (to support your own argument) in which Exedol eschews the Zentradi task force organization, newly micloned aboard the Macross and you still went on to refute it, the very next second. Actually you have contradicted yourself throughout the thread on many occasions even when I very clearly corroborated your points (one because they are true, two to make you feel confident that other discussions can be had in good faith). The fact is, for whatever reason you did not want this thread to gain traction and thats all there is to it. Welcome to the club and this was a thread that I started, but now feel as you do. I am not a troll here and I will thank you not to insinuate it. Despite your condescending tone, I am still sorry anyone thought you needed to be brought into a thread (?) you obviously have no interest in and is clearly become off topic. However, even a cursory glance over the thread, should have made you feel confident that the topic starter wasn't going to put up with where it was going for much longer (it may surprise you to learn that new people come to forums for a reason and start topics) and you honestly, needn't have bothered. Rest assured, there will be no argument, but you are a loon if you think you can type that arrogant assumption and not get a reply in kind (you don't need to answer this, just take it on board). I decided to post an introductory to a topic, having lurked through threads to see what other people were actually talking about (surrounding Macross) and inspired by a post from another person lamenting "why Macross fans don't come to discuss Macross here". Well, with all due respect its fairly obvious why now isn't it? I am not unaware of the same burden of facts you or anyone else possesses and you should be mindful of this in the future where confident posters seem to swoop in with their own ideas and interpretations. This thread was not made to descend into an argument/debate about those facts, but a discussion assembling that establishment into a wider explorative topic; in a larger narrative about the Zentradi. In fact, such a discussion cannot be had without those facts, really now could it? Its really not that hard to understand. The problem is there in clear print, the topic was never allowed to establish itself. Your friend was wrong and now in support of your friend you are wrong. And I am out. Yes, I totally agree. It would have been fun to establish a topic, explore the offered premise and even possibly go onto an anthropological exploration of the Zentradi (if such momentum could be gained) as the writers have gone out of their way to provide fans with plenty of topicality without necessarily needing a dogmatic approach. @azrael please lock the thread. Its clear no one is interested in discussing the now off-topic, topic or even interested in discerning where a person might provide insight into one; and I no longer wish to pursue it. Just lock it. Many thanks for your contributions.

My two daughters are named Millia and Seila, so Millia (and Chlore). I'm also a massive fan of Misa. Gundam (mostly UC era) and Macross (everything up to M7 and DYRL?) are my favourite mainstream anime. Followed closely by Yamato, Gatchaman and Dunbine (especially OAVs). I am also a big fan of Ginga Eiyuu no densetsu and Five Star Stories. Others include Dirty Pair, Urusei Yatsura and Lodoss tou Senki along with a lot of historical fantasy stuff like Otogi Zoshi and Utsunomiko.

Yamaga, Hiroyuki ~ Gainax Anno, Hideaki ~Gainax Kakoi, Hiroshi ~ AIC (Dec.) Itano, Ichiro ~ AIC Ishiguro, Noboru ~ AIC Anno-san I think went to Artland with Mikimoto-san. Itano-san continued to excel with Tomino-san and Gundam. Ishiguro-san shouldn't need any introduction at all. There are probably more I can't recall but most of these guys are old guard. Yamaga-san did the opening credits iirc.

Yes, because an RPG site is not at all about strict adherence to factoids. It doesn't need to be a discussion that goes so far afield from the source material and everyone ends up in strange territory. It could also be representative, assembling those facts and connecting the canon thus revelationary in undiscovered country. Where, as new information becomes available, it could be culminated. There is no conclusive synopses of the Zentradi that exists past mere tidbits of information. There is a story there and that story hasn't been told either. That story isn't over yet. Its constantly happening as each story gets told, visually and narratively anyway. As you have stated is mostly a pendulum effect between the two origin stories of the canon. If such a discussion could be had in good faith then it would be a good discussion. As I have already said, DYRL? is not propaganda its just fan service. Elementally the same story. At this junction the proposition of the Zentradi, whilst some facts support some other fact, its largely open to interpretation. Metaphorically and contextually even by the language used in that narrative.

Yep, Tatsunoko Production comes up mainly credited. You can add Gainax, AIC, Tcraft, Madhouse, Triangle, Statelight, Bandai Emotion/Visual, Shochiku just off the top of my head that have been involved with the IP over the years in both design and production. I'm sure there are many more. I'm not really sure why it was important to get into this semantic. They're all studio's involved with producing the various anime at whatever level.

Good luck selling that. I guess then, so is a yoyo! Even greater luck making that actually happen in a comprehensible way. Ya know, I just introduced this thread because I wanted to talk larger Macross assembly ~ specifically about Zentradi. I am personally over rehashing factoids for nearly 30yrs which never seems to get past interpretive debate and is utterly vain and pointless given anyone has access to the same information. Its meaningless recital. There isn't a conclusive discussion or synopsis about the Zentradi at all. Just tidbits of interesting facts all over the place. I thought it might be a good discussion. One that makes use of all those facts.

I didn't know that they actually did any advertising. I thought they were just a financing company that had their fingers in just about everything they could get their hands on. Kinda like Index Corp were never really an entertainment company but just funded and subbed everything they could.. actually they were more like a pachinko company I think..

Crushing the head of the snake IS the phrase stated after Exedol explains the Zentradi Task force makeup. I get that you have a tonne of reference material at your disposal. Its a shame you can't abide a discussion that takes that burden of factoid waffle and have a conversation about what all that actually means (no matter the topic or how hard someone tries to steer you onto it). My statement about 'repurcussions' was not aimed at a dead Zentradi leader. It was aimed at the fact Earth still remains. I'm not interested in a factoid debate based. This thread is meant to see how many people with access/possession of the same store of facts can have a speculative discussion in putting all that together into a larger understanding/synopsis of Zentradi and validating that source material. Not a factoid debate. Its not that you know better, its that I see what you are used to doing and am avoiding engaging you in a factoid debate. In short, not interested. Given that you like to stick to only printed facts released by IP partners of the various series. I find it really strange that you cite Macross II at all, given that as it stands? Macross II is little more than Megazone 23 III reskinned in Macross visual elements, where somehow in the next 17 odd years; Princess Ishtar (& co) of the Marducks imunize Zentradi throughout the Milky way against culture shock and apparently she isn't the only one capable in pure champion Iczer style. But somehow she falls in love with humanity and instead of culture shocked Zentradi (firmly under the control of Marducks) we now have culture shocked marduck emulators which forces (you guessed it!) a hierarchial split. In the other corner? we have a rag tag bunch of paranoid journalists obsessed with the a colonial government that protects them; that they believe is lying to everyone about their ability to do exactly that, whom are in possession of technology already 40+ yrs superseded by the time Macross 7 ends and Frontier begins.. and once again UN spacy must fight along side opposing alien super powers (now replete with the previous alien superpower) in order to survive... I mean at this point I think it would actually take some alien tech story telling to even find some way to bring Macross II into canon. ... Please refrain from introducing alternate universe factoids into a discussion that not really about factoid wars in the first place, if at all possible.

They have always been an animation film studio. Yes that means design too. In fact they have been around from as far back as the early/mid 70's. Also yes, they could not handle the load on their own and Macross was out sourced to a buncha of studio's.

If thats the case then so be it. However, its traditional for the source master to be much larger than the cuts. If that is the case then the source could be scaled to anything they want. Which is where Mr March was coming from. I am not sure what kind of finishing there would be post processing but it would be good to see this series in 16:9. That too me, more than simply HD would actually be something to see. Yah, like I said. my bad. If its actually true that the source itself was constrained to 4:3 then I guess yeah, there is no chance of ever seeing it in 16:9.