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Hell at least Frontier Ep 8 had someone, even if it was Sheryl, using some form of mech (Ex-Gear).........and she was wrecking something with it (the school but what the hell).......still better than this episode of Delta in my book.

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So do you. I am not pointing the obvious thing that Chaos Squadrons are not being issuing missiles other than mini. I am pointing out that two hardpoints are not necessarily too few. The F-15E Strike Eagle mount six bombs, an AMRAAM and a Sidewinder in each of its two wing pylons.

Strike Eagles can mount up to 6 Bombs on each wing pylon using a BRU-41 MER. Normal load out though is on the FAST Pack and fuselage mounts with 600 gal wing tanks on the wing pylons w/ one AIM-120 and AIM-9. MER's are not used on the wing pylon position by the USAF due to aerodynamic issues when dropping from the aft inside rack positions ( the bombs tend to spin and are drawn in toward the frame by the air flow around the frame).

The animators did make mistakes when producing the VF-31 scenes. Here is a pic of the VF-31 with the hardpoint positions highlighted.

Roy Focker also destroyed several Q-Rau's in his last engagement. The Q-Rau was not the juggernaut you think it is. It all boils down to experience and skill in the end not necessarily the crate. It was originally designed for the female physiology that is why you only saw the female Zentraedi pilots flying them. The Female Zentraedi Aces preferred the Q-Rau due to its capabilities, they weren't necessarily flown soley by ace pilots though.

With the Phoenix no longer an option due to the F-14 retirement I don't know if we will see a new long range missile. The medium range missiles have been pushed to the fore front and no one seems to be too interested in the long range missile other than for ground attack. The AIM-7's are being phased out and replaced by the 120's and other newer more sophisticated medium range missiles.

Since they seem to glow or change color, they would have to be translucent or even have chromataphores in them, meaning they are probably kinda gross looking flesh bags in real life........ugghh that is really gross sounding. Head boners or forehead balls/scrotums, none of it sounds pleasant in most regards...

Judging from the color and appearance of the Birdmans central spiral structure, I definitely agree with you Seto. The scientist studying the Birdman in episode 2 noticed it had the same system characteristics as the ASS-1 remains but on a more sophisticated and compact level. They theorized or stated it not only had gravity control but could possibly teleport and travel through time ( I am not sure about the "time" portion but definitely it definitely teleported/folded at the end). The whole spiral assembly probably also acted as a large fold quartz sensor dish picking up fold waves generated by the wind maidens as they sang.

And I present the most exciting scene in this weeks episode thanks to Gamlins expertise in GIF's.......next to Heinz learning a new song

Yeah I have to agree. I watched an episode of frontier the other day and I was impressed with how much better it seemed than delta. What is really noticeable is the background music. It's really good compared to delta which I don't even notice the bgm.

Delta is not really selling up its valks either. Frontier made the 25 look cool with all the add ons. Made me want to get them all. Delta hasn't really shown anything other than the forgettable sound booster. They aren't even capitalizing on the swappable pods.

Definitley agree with you on that. I did the same last week, actually I watched the first 17 episodes of MF over the weekend. They seemed to have put more work into Frontier on all levels. I actually find the VF-25 more aesthetically pleasing to look at than the 31. To me the 25 looks like a killing machine. It has more of a lethal grace to it. The 31 looks like it can't wait to put on an airshow demo for you. Probably because of the lack of weapon load outs we have seen on it.

I do like the music for Frontier far better. Even the BGM is far better IMOP.

They are part of the Civil Engineering Squadrons. They are supposed to deal with bug and varmint problems on base. It took us a month to get them out to beal with our ant problem in the office back in 2011. Little buggers were making ainthills behind the office door near the wall.....right up through the slab.

Considering how thin the titanium heat shielding in most fighter engine bays are, I am not surprised by what LM has probably created for the F-35 in the terms of heat shielding. With ceramic coatings on the inside of the exhaust nozzles titanium turkey feathers (the nickname for the divergent and convergent flaps and seals that make up the exhaust nozzle) very little heat transfers through even on 4th gen fighters except on the exposed titanium surfaces of the nozzle. You can see it in this pic I took. If you look just above the stabilator in the pic you can see the inner seal is bright orange but the outer flaps aren't (you will have to click on the pic to get a closer view). I don't know how LM has this door coated but it works extremely well.

I would say it probably missed the flying schedule as a maintenance non delivery. It takes an act of God to get base entymology to respond to anything and when they do they feed you "its not our job or we have to call someone in" which they did. That probably took a couple of hours alone. Then getting them cleared/escorted onto the flightline took a another hour. Then knowing the modern USAF they probably contacted the MEO office (Military Equal Opportunity) too make sure someone wasn't going to be offended or make sure the bees weren't offended or discriminated against etc.......just joking about the last one but all the other requirements probably took some time to coordinate.

I saw that on FB also......not the first time bees have made a nest like that. I believe it has happened to several F-16's also in the past. I am glad they were able to remove them without destroying them. They are at too much risk now to needlessly destroy them. Quite funny though...."Nothing will stop the US Air Force"......except bee's...and lightning......they stop the USAF.......LOL.

Not really, but if it works for you, I'm cool with it...

That would be me. I was making the comment that SK and company were referencing the famous German jet with their numeric designation of the SV-262.

Plus 2 of the of the members of Delta are named after famous German aces and other members of Chaos are named after famous aircraft.......so the 262 reference is pretty much spot on in my book also Zinjo.

That wouldn't be consistent with the established timeline materials from the original series and Macross 7 that say the Protoculture's civil war was caused by the overexpansion of the Stellar Republic and existing internal schisms.

Not necessarily. You're forgetting the basic fact that, while Big West and Kawamori have mixed visual aesthetics from the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross and Macross: Do You Remember Love? more or less freely, they favor the TV series continuity for the events of the First Space War on the timeline. There are also several versions of the First Space War narrative (like Macross the First) that follow the whole TV series narrative with the DYRL? Macross design and Daedalus and Prometheus instead of ARMDs. It's pretty clear this is an aesthetic substitution, given that Berger Stone's little presentation shows the initial appearance of the ASS-1 as the Supervision Army design from the original series.

Kawamori's view that there is no one "true" version of the First Space War would kind of mean you're overthinking it.

OK, forget DYRL? in terms of its plot. As far as the ongoing Macross timeline is concerned it's an in-universe work of fiction.

DYRL?'s design aesthetics get substituted into Macross works from time to time because the creators like them better... it makes the Zentradi look more alien, the designs are more polished, etc. Even Berger's presentation affirms, for the most part, that the First Space War happened along TV series lines (with DYRL? aesthetics). The Macross was a Supervision Army gunship (TV ver.), and we see her launch without arms.

I went back and looked over the official publications for anything that's said about when the Birdman was installed, and I've found the source of the confusion. People (myself included) were assuming the Birdman was installed a few tens of thousands of years ago because it was buried for tens of thousands of years. Macross Chronicle confirms the Mayan native account that the Birdman was activated tens of thousands of years ago and shut itself down by separating its head and body. So the reason dating it by the geological strata it was found in produced a date only a few tens of thousands of years ago is that it was buried twice: once in ancient prehistory and once in slightly less ancient prehistory.

The apparent contradiction is our fault, not Macross's creators.

That definitely clears up quite a lot. The DYRL aesthetics were definitely better in most regards and I can understand that substitution. I suspected that with the Birdman. That scene in M0, the scientist mentioned the head had been separated back when our cranial capacity was 1200cc and then if you watch in one of the episodes you see cave painting showing humans fighting with spears while the Birdman is watching. But that definitely clarifies this whole Berger/PC issue brought up by this episode. Thanks Seto for the info.

Never been able to be around either up close Seto but now that you mention that, I can definitely see your point also.......That American Dad scene was definitely the equivalent to the Roid and Keith Rune high five....or what ever that bizarre display was supposed to be. At least with the prehensile hair it seems to be limited and mainly driven by emotions more than anything but I did notice a few times when Ranka went to put her earbuds in the hair did seem to move back without her touching it.....but it is still far easier to deal with than a pouch or excitable glowing runes that like to high five each other and become erect.

Yeah Freya did get mad at Hayate and called him a perv when he tried to touch her rune.

You've got the wrong date... it was around 497,000 BCE when the Protoculture started to work on engineering a sub-Protoculture species on ancient Earth. They came back after their whole civilization collapsed, about 10-20,000 BCE, to leave the Birdman behind with orders to kill the species off if humanity started to repeat the Protoculture's mistakes.

Roid, as a researcher into the ancient Protoculture, certainly seemed to think that humanity was one of the older sub-Protoculture species... it's part of his belief that Windermere was the world where the Protoculture seeded their appointed successors, on the belief that their status as the youngest of the created species meant the ones that came before were flawed or unworthy.

For the most part, yeah... the Protoculture were "abusive precursors" who made a big mess and died out, leaving the species they created to pick up the pieces. Humanity and the other sub-Protoculture species were slave races engineered to prepare their worlds for colonization by the Protoculture.

Still, the Birdman and the archive on Lux show that the ancient Protoculture were starting to cotton on to the lesson that they had been massive dicks and at least expressed a wish those species they'd created would learn from their mistakes.

Definitely on board with the inital date Seto of 497K. The chronology gives that. But everyone keeps saying the PC returned in the second dated time. If you go off DYRL it does make sense. But the chronology doesn't mention it either. It does state that after roughly 5 yrs surveying and manipulating the gene's of certain lifeforms on Earth to create a sub PC for future colonization that the survey ship departed and was destroyed on its way back to the Stellar Republic or wherever by factions opposed to the Stellar Republic and that all records of earth and humanity were lost. The question now is what do we really consider canon. This is where mixing 2 series with some parts being canon and some not is starting to contradict pre-established timelines/canon. But also you have the contradiction in the dating of the Birdman craft. The scientist did state in M Zero that when it was here on earth the average human cranial capacity was 1200 cc, which would place it with heidleberg aferensis or possibly neanderthals 200k to 600K.. I don't want to come off as so much argumentative with you, just pointing out how some of the canon is getting "skewed" by the acceptance of DYRL as canon also without specifics as too what parts by SK.

From what I understood in the series it sounds like they coincide. I believe the Mayan islanders were describing the arrival of the protoculture to earth and their manipulation of the genes of the planets most evolved lifeform. They left the Birdman as a monitor to watch us. While the term Birdmen describes the PC who surveyed the planet. I imagine seeing how aggressive Pleistocene earth was they got a little worried about how the new seeded species would turn out. That is my take on it.

Nice the bottom one is a loads and flutter bird. They essentially load out the frame with munitions they want to test on it and have specially modded LEF's that shake the crap out of the frame while the pilot does certain maneuvers to see how the frame handles it and see if the munitions will fall off during said maneuvers. You can see the small orange sensors on the GBU's between the tail fins and the long nose pitot tube mounted for the testing also since there is a chance the plane can go out of its envelope. I never did ask why they changed the probes out for it but the probe is mounted for out of envelope test also.In this case they actually had to add the probe to the aircraft. On F-16's they simply swap out the standard pitot tube for this one.

The prehensile hair I can deal with...even marsupial pouches and gills......but "magically delicious" runes.......ewwwwwwwww

Yes but it would be a very tired and exhausted group also.....too much SNUU-SNUU not enough BOOM-BOOM.......err that doesn't sound right either......

I have noticed in several threads where this comes up. In M0 the statement was the Birdman was OVER 10,000 yrs old and that exact date was classified beyond anyone's clearance in the room other than the scientist. Also One statement from Episode 2 by the scientist talking to Aries is indicates human cranial capacity at the time it was dated too was at 1200 cc's. This puts the contact/seeding date at between 200,000-600,000 yrs ago, the middle Pleistocene and at the time dated in the PC calendar for the series. Definitely making us one of the oldest races seeded by the PC like Seto stated. I posted scene captures with the subs just in case also.

It sounded like another in universe show or series. She called it The Lynn Minmay Chronicles. Probably nothing to do with that movie that Basara and Mylene were in.

I think the PC left the coding in the genetics of the races they altered. It was probably meant to eventually activate in a race as it evolved. I don't think it was nerfed so much as made dormant through their gene manipulation. Seeing how they had the ability to predict how aggressive and warlike we (terran humans) could be (hence leaving an uber destructive AI behind to make the call on pulling our plug), they probably did the same for the Windermerans. Giving them higher enhanced physical abilities/reflexes also introduced a greater liability to the galaxy. To stem this to an extant they encoded a short life span to control them.

The ruins make sense especially if they were built in the waning days of the PC in effort to bring the Zentraedi and Supervision Army back under control to stop the fighting and save themselves. But I suspect they realized it was too powerful. Instead of just pacifying and allowing their original protocols to be reinstated, it went way above in the mind control arena and was never used or they just never had a chance to use it. But considering the PC took the time to hide them in super dimensional space tells me they decided not to use it and didn't want the "kids" finding them either (as Seto said these things were sealed or locked away for a reason Roid).

Why would the Vajra leave our space after living here for millions if not 10's of millions of years. They obviously lived in the galaxy with the PC 500,000 years ago. Did the PC ever make contact with them like we managed to do or did they completely avoid them as stated out of fear and respect for them and just emulated and studied them from afar.

I wasn't surprised at all on Epsilon. They are out to either make a buck or have a greater agenda, which becomes more suspect with the info Berger gave on the companies engineers.

The cracks are definitely developing in the Windermeran front. Keith is beginning to question this war also and Roids agenda. Roid I believe is in for a nasty surprise about Mikumo. I don't think he has grasped the possibility that she is:

1) either a PC who was placed in stasis

2) a clone created from PC genetic material that was recovered

going off her flashbacks I guessing she is either one.

All this is conjecture but at least we have some actual theories from the series itself now instead of flashback sequences and grim looks after little half bits of information.

If the picture is any indication of what they manufacture then they seem to manufacture everything form battleships to Querule watches. But we will have to wait for the subs to come out to find for sure what he is explaining in the that scene. They definitely seem to have some type of agenda in this.

I have seen some fancy Doha pipes over here but that one Berger has takes the cake. That thing would sell like hotcakes over here if they had that tech now.

Considering the symbol Epsilon uses, the balanced scale, I am not surprised nor would be surprised if they were playing both sides of the field. Like any weapons manufacturer they will sell to whoever is buying regardless of either sides motives or nationalistic views.

Kawamori sort of implied that both tv and movies were sort of in universe retellings of those events, which is actually an awesome idea in a way. Although in case of SDF and DYRL movie it was stated somewhere that main story is from the tv series, while the visuals are taken from DYRL as basis for future series, and then they throw in the Protoculture city on Earth as a thing in Delta.

Not so much surprised, she just named the sound force group being mentioned, and Berger added "ah, yes, your grandparents were the leaders of that Colony, and your aunt was a member."

To me it felt as if though Berger was fishing for any kind of information on Mikumo, which tells me that it was Xaos itself that found Mikumo in the first place, as any other side would've leaked information all over by now. The novelization also brings in one of Macross 30 characters as a head researcher, and the other girl in the main triangle there was Mina Forte, a protoculture girl woken up from stasis, in before Lady M is her.

I find it particularly amusing when Roid tells Keith how Hoina and Mikumo can't really sub for Heinz, because they don't have the Wind Song, I absolutely can't wait to see Roid's face when Mikumo belts out Aura Sala at full force, remember how Mikumo was humming it because it just kept coming back to her back in episode 6.

A Few yrs ago they had the anniversary of the Doolitttle raid and Raider reunion in Destin Florida. I was outside my house on base when the 4-5 B-25's they had brought in for it went roaring over one after another right over my house. Got to see the underside of those beautiful birds just above tree top level. They made a couple of passes over Eglin since that was where the original Raiders trained for the mission in 1942.They were a sight to see. Also When I was there as a young airman back in 91' I watched a B-24 make a landing approach on the runway there in some hard cross winds. He did a touch and go and then left. He never did come back and land. If yu ever get a chance go see the Museum at Chino California. They have quite a flyable collection there also. They also have quite few non flyables on display including a ME-262 and the wreckage of a G4M Betty displayed in a jungle style display.

The Naval Air Museum at Pensacola has an IJN Kawanishi N1K2 Shiden-Kai on display on the floor of the museum. It still has bullet hole patches on it and was captured during the war and used for evaluation by the USN.