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I'll take a medium plz.

Thanks for the link. I've started reading the blog. I started with the DYRL entry from last December. One thing I learned was that Robotech (accidentally?) totally trashed Minmay's rep forever. Yes, she was bad in Macross, but in Robotech she was far less a sympathetic character, particularly in the first 10 and last 10 episodes. Seems like anyone who watched Robotech first will, in anime terms, "NEVER FORGIVE" Minmay. Honestly, I think her selfish outburst in DYRL is far worse than anything that happened in the show, and thus she's more sympathetic to me in the show than the movie. But Robotech version is deservedly reviled, I guess.

Ironically, I stopped being an otaku around 2002, when the VHS fansub market started declining and it became so easy to get subbed anime for free over the internet. I don't know why; logically, that should've elevated me to an even higher level of anime geek, but for some reason the easy access took away something (mystique? fun?) and I started caring less and less. The last major anime purchase I made, I think, is the AnimEigo boxed set, and I preordered it on day one of preorders. That's what you call backward practicality, I suppose.

I know exactly what you're saying. When I watched SDF:M for the first time recently I actually liked Minmei. She seemed like a very genuine character, a little girl thrust into an extraordinary situation and just kinda stumbling along trying to figure it out. In DYRL I am downright mad at Hikaru over what he does to her, even though I understand his reasoning.

The differences between Macross and Robotech go a lot deeper than just the definition of Protoculture and names.

Oh - how this brings back the old debates about Zero... I protest against the word "magic" when referencing events in Zero. Just because you don't understand the science behind something, doesn't make it "magic." From the point of view of pre-scientific peoples, it could be argued that cars are magic - I tend to look at the events of Zero in that way: we're dealing with super advanced bio-technology and our minds are just incapable of grasping certain things.

Pete

You know I started thinking about this in almost the same way yesterday and it just may be swaying my viewpoint. The only small niggle I have over it is the events in Zero are completely ignored by SDF:M. All this craziness going on with UN forces and their opposition as witnesses and it just gets forgotten in a few years? That's the problem with retconning material, even if you have a wonderful explanation it still feels like you're rewriting history because you quite literally are.

Anyhow, I appreciate all the insight you guys have tossed out and I actually think I'm starting to change my mind on the subject. I'm going to give Mac7 a go over the next few days and then re-watch Zero before I move on to Frontier. DYRL is currently playing on my new PS3 and looks amazing by the way.

It's not the story or concepts in Zero that I personally have a problem with, it's the pacing and characters in the show. The plot does not flow well towards the latter half, and the protagonist does not really do anything until the end. The relationship he forms with Sara is rushed or at least unnaturally developed. Considering the episodes took so much longer to produce than originally planned (they had a two-year plan which eventually became a four-year production just for five episodes), I don't doubt that there were many, many rewrites and the last two episodes were a result of trying (but failing) to keep the plot cohesive. The opening 20 seconds of episode 5 is a total cop-out, a blatant flashing sign that reads "OK, we don't know how to write ourselves out of this one, so let's just skip all the details and pretend a bunch of stuff happened, OK?"

I think the podcast on this over at DestroyAllPodcasts-dot-com hits all the right points on the matter of Zero.

Bravo!

As others have stated, the biggest problem is that you went straight from the original Macross series with Robotech mindset to Macross Zero, a series which was suppose to help bridge the gap from Macross to Mac 7/Frontier. Macross Zero makes little sense as a strict prequel to Macross and by viewing it as such you get a royally ****** up story. Aside from Roy and the VF-0, there are no clear cut ties to the original series which would explain how a fan such as yourself could feel betrayed.

However when viewed as the first chapter to the entire Macross universe, Zero makes perfect sense especially after viewing Mac 7 and Frontier. Trust me the stuff in Zero is realistic compared to the over the top nature of Mac 7. As Keith said, you are dealing with a Super Robot Pilot in a realistic universe (more specifically, a singing plot device).

Generally speaking, the original Macross, DYRL, and Macross Plus are the most well received. Frontier is more geared towards the current anime crowd so it may seem a little juvenile for fans of the original series. Zero was, as you can tell, not met with universal praise but it does have it's share of loyal fans. Mac 7 is the most off the wall series in the Macross universe so it gets the most hate.

Well I guess I didn't quite know the can of worms I was opening when I posted this thread. I haven't seen Robotech in years now. HuLu has the english dub version of SDF:M available for viewing, which is what I watched a few days before ZERO.

I think maybe I should go back and say that I didn't totally hate ZERO, just that it was quite a shock to be confronted with so many "magical" elements in a show that I had always associated with technology and a "reality" based story. Kind of like some people hate the 3rd Matrix movie because it goes way too far into spirituality and heaven/hell parallels which is in contrast to the first movie, which has a few undertones but unless you really pay attention are very easy to miss.

Reading some of the posts here actually help to make more sense of the whole thing for me. When I originally watched ZERO it was late and I was very tired. Would you guys recommend Mac7 before an encore viewing of ZERO?

This probably doesn't warrant its own thread but here goes anyhow.

I, like some of you, was introduced to Macross through Robotech. I wasn't even thought of when either of the two shows were originally broadcast but became intrigued by a Jetfire toy that sat high on my older brother's shelf. Years later, thanks to Cartoon Network, I got the chance to watch the show that my brother told me about when I was little. I was hooked. The internet was starting to blossom and the wealth of Robotech related information was astonishing. I quickly learned the truth about Robotech's origins so I expanded my knowledge quest to include Macross Plus and Macross 7. To this day I have floppy discs loaded with mecha stats and pictures lol /nerd.

Fast forward a few years and I stumble upon this place, a collection of like minded individuals who share my passion for Macross. I learn of the Yamato toys and other merchandise that are priced far outside my school kid budget. At this point I have still never seen the original Macross but I did receive the Robotech: Macross saga complete collection for Christmas. I watched the entire thing in 3 days, shortly after I made an order with the Valkyrie Exchange for DYRL Perfect Edition and with Amazon for Macross Plus OVA and Movie which to this day remains my favorite (so far).

I got busy with life and took a few years off from the hobby and now I've made my way back. I started things off right and watched the entire SDF:M series on HuLu in 2 sittings. Yes, I have that kind of spare time. Next up would have been DYRL but my DVD player has been acting up. A situation that I plan to remedy very soon with a PS3. I downloaded Macross Zero and that brings me to my actual point.

WTF happened?

The show was gorgeous no doubt but what the hell was going on with a giant birdman who eats a young native girl and then kidnaps her into space? One of my biggest attractions to Macross originally was its plausibility, even if the entire show was fantastic with space dogfights against a numerically superior army of alien clones, it was rooted in reality. Now I'm not against "magic" and other such fiction but I just felt like I was blind sided, almost betrayed by the franchise when the story took the turn that it did. I've not seen Macross 7 but I plan on downloading it soon and I'm hoping that by having already been surprised by Zero that I can enjoy it. Frontier looks promising to me and perhaps a little closer in spirit to the original. Anyone else feel this way? I invite you all to pick apart my posting and show me where and how I'm wrong.

Nice!. If you dont mind me asking - where did you get the posters?

From here if I remember correctly. A member owned or worked for a printing company and took several images and blew them up to poster size.

The picture of the strike vf1 on the left in the upper picture, I have a very similar poster and one other that was done in similar fashion.

This one is my favorite however.

Sorry for the poor quality picture. My first and only valk so naturally its my favorite. I want a 1/48 1S with the GBP parts done in the Minmei Guard scheme. That would be my ultimate valk, anyone know how I can make that happen with my lack of artistic talent?

Neova was extremely helpful and sent a great product.

Kevin Lam at the Valk Exchange was great to deal with as well.

There was a mixup with shipping on my poster deal with Rune but we got it straight and he was also a joy to deal with.

Now if I could just find someone wanting to part with a 1/48 DYRL 1S Max with strike packs........................*hint* *hint*

Now forgive me for being a noob but did she provide the speaking voice of Minmei as well or just the singing voice? Man I really need to get this Animeigo set on DVD................

Yes, Mari did both the speaking and singing voices of Minmay in both the series, and DYRL.

And YES, you need the Animeigo set, it won't get much cheaper than it is now from www.rightstuf.com, and, hey, while you're at it, why not get a swell DVD keepcase to store it in by going HERE!

Yes, that plug was shameless, I could almost hear Wayne and Garth going "Cha Ching!" in the back of my mind as I was typing it..

Wow. That is a pretty good price. I saw for the entire 9 disc set 200 at some other online store. This is still the remastered version though correct? About the case, I might would buy it but I still need the Flashback 2012 DVD and whatever else is supposed to go in there.

Now forgive me for being a noob but did she provide the speaking voice of Minmei as well or just the singing voice? Man I really need to get this Animeigo set on DVD................

Ok then. I guess I'll get it just to start my Macross collection and later on I'll have my ultimate Valk, 1/48 Strike 1S Max, yum. BTW, anyone got one of those laying around they want to sell?

Hi all. I'm thinking of buying a 1/60 as my first valk since I'm poor and they are cheap. My question is do they sell fast packs seperately for the 1/60 line? Or did they only come with the Super version in the same box.

Who still uses dialup? Decent servers, 160kbps. Thanks!!

I for some reason can't view the site on my computer. That really sucks because I was looking at it at a friends house and wanted to read more when I got home. I have installed Flash 7 and disabled my popup blocker and it still won't open anything for me. Crap!!

That's great news to report, but when I went to ANIMEniacs, I've found Macross: DYRL Perfect Edition sold for $8.00, but as of this typing it's currently out-of-stock.

Had I known that it was available a lot sooner, I would've purchased it in a heartbeat. But, I wish I could say the same about my credit card.

I ordered mine from The Valkyrie Exchange about 2 weeks ago. Try looking there he should still have some in stock.

One thing they don't explain in DYRL that I thought was a very important part of the story is Max and Millia getting together. I know they both show up later in the final battle in Q-Rau's but it was like they looked at each other and then next thing you know they are fighting side by side. Still an awesome movie. Now does anyone have a subbed version of the series they feel like parting with?

Well I'm not completely positive it's what you want but I just got my copy of DYRL from The Valkyrie Exchange. It is the Perfect Edition DVD with selectable ON/OFF subtitles. Video quality is great and sound is awesome.

how bout a recast MAX 1S head? have it for sale in the FS section

I think he needs the 1/48 yammie before he can use the head. Call my idea crazy.

Exactly. However I believe Neova may have found me one so aaajin I may be interested in your head very shortly. It's a shame this new passion has completely distracted me from my previous one. Here I am about to drop 200+ bucks on a custom DYRL Max 1S w/ Strike pack that my car is still sans cams. Oh well after I have this I can go back to spending money on my car.

I'm not sure if this against the rules or not and I am very sorry if it is but I didn't see any rules stickied at the top. No one has any of these parts they'd be willing to sell? Come on guys help a guy get started with his first Macross VF.

I am looking for a DYRL Max 1/48 as well as strike packs for it. Also does Rohby still have any of the recast 1S heads as I'd like to have one of those as well. I would like it to be as complete as possible and nice detailed pics are a must. Thank you for the space and this awesome forum!!

Take care.

My only gripe is there should have been more Max in the movie!! I mean Hikaru is great and all but Max was the better pilot and I think he ended up with the hotter girl in the end. I am enjoying my stay presently and hope to continue to. Looks like now all I gotta do is find a DYRL 1/48 Max and get a 1S head and the strike pack. That will be my ultimate display piece.

This movie is awesome!! I have never seen the actual Macross series and the only experience I had with Macross previously is Robotech and Macross Plus. I ordered the Perfect Edition DVD from Valkyrie Exchange last week and it shipped out on the 12th. I recieved it today in the mail and was packaged nicely. This movie was more than I was expecting although there were some strange happenings in it. In the battle between Max and Millia was he flying a VF-1S? It sure looked like it to me. Now does Yamato even make a Max DRYL in anything other than VF-1A? Max has always been my favorite character and I would like my first collectible to be a 1/48 DYRL 1J or 1S, I have never been a fan of the 1A head. Anyway I know I'm preaching to the converted here since I am sure you all loved this movie way before I knew about it. Who would have thought that a movie as old as I am would be so great?

If I can save some money I'll shop where you tell me to.    I guess I've already started. I ordered DYRL? as well as Macross Plus Vol 1&2 and Macross Plus the Movie. All should be here sometime next week so I'll have plenty to view and enjoy. Still want to get my hands on the original series if I can somehow, maybe I will man up and pay the 200 bucks for the remastered version.

Please view the links I have posted a few pages back.

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...pic=140&st=1180

Those are great places that still have the original series in stock.

Thank you very much. This board has been a great help and I don't feel as hated as one normally would being a noob on any other board. I'm in the process of getting my friends hooked and they were reading the timeline on the Macross Compendium today, lol.

Depends on where you shop....

If I can save some money I'll shop where you tell me to. I guess I've already started. I ordered DYRL? as well as Macross Plus Vol 1&2 and Macross Plus the Movie. All should be here sometime next week so I'll have plenty to view and enjoy. Still want to get my hands on the original series if I can somehow, maybe I will man up and pay the 200 bucks for the remastered version.