Kelsain

I thought it was her teeth...

That's a good point - we saw a bridge, and we dont' know where the VF-25s launched from. It most likely wasn't the same ships our surprised VF-171 pilots came from, and it might have been too far away to have been Frontier itself. You're right, it makes sense for the SMS to have a ship of their own... But one as huge as that?!

Mark

If we're still talking about the 171's in episode 1, the flight they showed going through the launch were from a Guantanimo carrier.

The bridge seen in the opening credits looks distinctly Macross-y, as does the scale of the ship and torso shape seem consistent with the New Macross class. My money's still on a refit. It may be an SMS ship, though, as the SMS command center looked more like the original Macross' bridge; while the 171's and Ghosts were being monitored by the NUNS from a significantly different CIC.

Az is right, it would be best to refer to it as the "Luca" fighter until a letter is designated, remember we all thought Alto's was a "J" until we found out it was an "F"...

Ja, hence the ""

You're a many of good taste, Graham.

Ooh, diggin' the 25"A"!

I guess this is right before the VF-25F spazzes out on the left. Boy, Battle25's pretty. Looks like both arms are cannons from this shot.

Pity, i particularly liked the orchestral tunes being timed in DE to the scenes of the Vajra breaking through the last line of defence (I think it was Vermillion squadron or smthinig). Conveyed a more epic feeling than the music used in the Broadcast edition for that scene.

Precisely, that scene made the hairs on my arm stand up the first time I saw it. The music really added to William's desperation to keep big red from reaching Island1. Now, it just kinda happened.

Fortunately, though - this week we can move beyond all this DE bellyaching, because it's ALL NEW from here! Woohoo! Hopefully, the subs will come out faster from now on.

I enjoyed both versions, but I liked DE better, primarily for the music. Not just the better rendition of Don't be Late, but really the instrumentals. The opening scene was much more exciting in DE, and also the second half of the attack. That's what I miss most.

And the ghosts... 'cuz I <3 them...

Edit: Wow, I'm not used to torrents going so fast! Hooray for popular, current stuff! I'm used to waiting a day and a half.

Ah, OK, I read it wrong... I thought it was 2 different ones. I'll grab it when I get home.

I personally love Laplamiz' "scream" or "moan" when she gets blown away. I always try to imagine just what the hell the voice actress is doing. I've also been amused when Hikaru I..chi..jo shouts "Minmay!" when Roy is killed.

Ah well, that's all for now.

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So, at this stage, what's the best sub, the AiA or IZ?

ok l have some question not related to macross, my pc's cpu is about 700mhz only, but l usually dont have problem watching divx 5 films, but when l try to watch certain newly released film, it doesnt play fluently, is it because it is encoded by divx 6.6?

I had the same problem, then opened it in Windows Media Player, and it was just fine.

Thanks to cyde01, went ahead and watched ep1. Like all the rest, I do prefer the DE. No Ghosts FTL. On the other hand, I don't recall the little Vajra's arms being so threatening before. Could lead to more cool grappling.

As for the music, Don't Be Late didn't sound as polished as on the DE, but this could be a good thing. Maybe they'll throw some variation into the performances! That was the worst part of M7 to me was that, every time Fire Bomber played a show, played in battle, or even practiced, their songs sounded exactly the same. This sounded more like a live concert version of Don't be Late, while the version we heard before was the track off the CD.

Another good thing: the character designers can draw a good tushie.

My first experience with Macross was the models, really. We found some at Stanton Hobby in Chicago, about the time I was 6 or 7 - just old enough to crudely build them and paint a VF-1S Testors gloss black with flames on it. Yeech! I later found an English Macross comic and made my Dad read it to me (editing out the damns and hells, of course). I could have read it myself, but he did the voices!

Not long after that, though, we saw the commercials for the upcoming broadcast of Robotech and were awed that these cool planes were actually in a cartoon. We caught the initial broadcast and the whole family was hooked. I was really too young to know about the series cobbling, but the show never did seem to flow, and I really lost interest after Macross. We had the Robotech Art book, which spilled the beans about the series' origins, but I never bothered with tracking it down. Clash of the Bionoids just confused the issue.

Then I was wandering through the video store in 96 and spotted Macross Plus. I couldn't believe that there was a direct sequel to Macross and I scooped up all 3 (friggin 8 month wait for ep 4!). It was enough for me for a while, but I eventually picked up a bootleg of SDFM, and finally watched M7 a couple years ago. Just last month, I finally watched the M+ Movie (I was bitter about the removal of the VF11 seq.) and agreed that the plot was much stronger.

I'm hooked again, stoked about MF, and the wife now just rolls her eyes & says "That's great, hon" and just asks me to keep most of the geeky paraphanalia to my office.

Suppressing the madness as I wait for the fansub. I know basically what would be happening but I want the full experience of understanding what the characters say. Hopefully soon, we'll establish a fairly reliable fansub schedule and those of us holding out won't have to sit through the uncertainty.

Ah well, if it's not out today, at least we've got Galactica to keep us busy.

Let's look at Alto's actions in Ep1-deculture (since Ep1-standard isn't available as of the time of this post):

- Folds up a poster of Sheryl into a paper airplane

- Is clearly pissed from getting his test flight interrupted by a flying Sheryl propaganda device

- Says that he doens't see why Sheryl is the "galactic fairy," despite seeing her from more angles than the rest of the audience could ever dream of

- Risks getting shot up or Rodney King'd by a bunch of soldiers just so he can mouth off at Sheryl

+ Strongly apologizes to Ranka for getting mad at her, even though she said he looked like a chick

+ Ranka is able to motivate him into actually putting effort into his concert routine. In fact, he feels so motivated that the water fountains start shooting up in order to hint at what Alto is feeling.

+ Focuses his camera on Ranka, when he hasn't even gotten her phone number yet

I think Alto prefers girls half his size, man.

I know, I was just kidding. Projecting, perhaps...

Oh, and now that I've watched it closer, that Brea Stern character is looking more like a guy. Oh well, at least we've still got Meltrandi!

Just snagged the opening, I rather like it. For all the "Macross II doesn't really exist" that Kawamori does, he sure does put alot of it into his Macross projects. Battle 25 "Macross Cannon", anyone?

Well, as crummy as M2 may have been, the Macross Cannon was always Frakkin' Awesome! I, for one, am thrilled that New Macross carriers have move away from the handheld gunship.

I thought that was a guy?

Ehh, I'm getting a chick-vibe from the way the character is holding itself, and it looks like (s)he's doing a hair-flip. Ple s the costume seems low-cut, so I hope it's a girl. Really, though, we've had both in the past; but who did you prefer: Millia or Gabil?

Macross Frontier's BATTLE MODE?!?!?!?!?!?

If so, it looks like they've resolved all of the beefs we had with Battle 7.

Looks like Macross-canon style arms and SDF-1 style booms over the shoulders... That's really exciting.

Also, apparently that purple VF was not a pre-production model, but appears in the show. My money's on it being a Vajra VF, piloted by that ghosty Brea Stern lady (who looks to have some interaction with Ozma)

I can has fansubz? Plz?

Alto doesn't seem too pleased about holding a well-developed woman in his arms. He'd prefer someone half his size like Ranka.

Maybe he's angry that he feels the texture of the holo-suit instead of warm, supple Nome-flesh.

Scratch that, he's wearing the Xgear manipulators - maybe he doesn't know it's a holo-suit and is angry his hands are stuck in the Xgear...

Nineteen Eighty-Four

Filmed several times and one of the greatest works of literature ever.

I agree with you to a point, but I think that Brazil may have hit it a little better. Not only are many of Orwell's themes present, but the government relies on the fear of terrorism to keep the populace in line. They use the threat so much, in fact, that the safety precautions are absolutely ridiculous, and the average people think nothing of it, and seem unaware when something bad actually happens.

Sniffing machines at metal detectors

Continual spin on TV

Excessive computer-based escapism of the populace

Backstabbing and excessively compartmentalized office culture

A bureaucracy so thick you can't even get your air conditioner fixed (we're not quite there, YET).

Of course, it's been a while since I've seen '84, so all this may be present. Brazil seems to be Terry Gilliam's oddball take on 84 anyway; but I believe he captures the inanity of it all, while 84 just showed us the despair.

We know now that if you're gonna be living in space for more than a few months, you pretty much need some natural creature comforts or rish being driven space crazy.

Mark

"Oh, my beloved ice cream bar! How I love to lick your creamy center!"

The aesthetics ARE the reason for it. You're right, it makes no sense whatsoever to have the big clear dome. You can't see out from inside (unless you're right up on it); unless you're in a Green Belt orbit, you won't get enough light coming in to grow plants; and it does seem to invite enemy attention... but it's pretty!

I concur that having an enclosed ship that could open "shell style" upon reaching the colony destination would make more sense. On the other hand, it makes it more difficult for the viewer to quickly spot which ships are the colony ships.

In fact, if we look at other series, most colony or garden ships have domes (at least all the ones I can think of) - even if they're for interstellar travel. It seems to be ingrained in the Scifi imagery that colony ships MUST have domes - at least if they were designed for that purpose.

When I was young and stupid we got free tickets to see "GoBots: Battle of the Rock Lords" at a local cinema in Australia.

I was ready to run out of the theatre, screaming "OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!"

Taksraven

At last, confirmation that this movie actually existed! It's not some disturbing figment of my imagination, I feel better now. Actually, I think my Dad actually paid to get me and the brother in to see that - good thing movies were cheap back then. Didn't it have some actual big names doing the voices?

I remember DiveDive was pretty cool, I actually might have him somewhere in the TF boxes my Mom might someday send to me to put on eBay. I'll keep an eye out.

I don't remember how I found it, but here is a link with all sorts of artbooks:

Artbooks

There's a lot of gundam (inc. sd and MS girls) in there, but also a lot of other random good stuff.

I did a similar thing playing Star Wars RPG in college. Eventually we got bored and brought in Macross, Gundam, Gall Force, and WH40K stuff; all pitted together to fight off the Tyranids from the SW galaxy. Then a couple years later the New Jedi Order came out and stole our idea.

My jaw dropped when I saw this as the most recent post!

So sad!

I might just dust off Rama after my finals (or pick up another I haven't read), to comemorate this wonderful author's life in my own little way.

My vote is for VF-25 Norris.

It'll probably be a refrence to SDF Macross whatever it is, seeing as how the -25 is obviously a reference to the 25th aniversary and whatnot. So Valkyrie II is a good bet, even despite the MII stuff.

So far Valks have no naming convention to speak of, so it could be anything.

How about Pepsi presents VF-25 Diet Pepsi? That has a ring to it.

So does that imply that Ozma will roundhouse kick the Vajra in episode 2?

In seriousness to the thread, I too like the idea of the Corsair. I was gonna suggest it myself, but was beaten to the punch. Ah, they'll just call it the Valkyrie anyway...