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On 4/14/2021 at 6:32 PM, Invid99 said:
In the last battle against Gol Boddole Zer, did all of the Zentradi male forces defect or were the still some who are loyalists and not affected by Minmay's song?
As in the Super Dimension Fortress Macross TV series, a portion of the Zentradi forces defected to the UN Forces while the remainder retreated as per standard practice when they lost their command ships either during or at the end of the battle.
Many of the defectors and stranded Zentradi managed to live on Earth and integrated successfully into human society. Some tried and failed. One area where Macross II's timeline is different is that a small group of those who tried and failed were able to secure a ship and flee into deep space... resulting in the events of Macross 2036 and Macross: Eternal Love Song.
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1 hour ago, Dynaman said:
Volcanos, granted we didn't have millions of years but Mount Saint Helens was known well in advance and we see what happened there. Millions is a problem too - sure it will happen in a million years, but is that thousands of years from now or tomorrow.
Yeah, but that's the difference between having days of advance warning vs. thousands or millions of years.
A supernova's not something that sneaks up on you unannounced. Stars give a LOT of advance warning when they're about to blow even with today's technology. With the far more advanced technology of the 24th century, having a supernova detonation sneak up on you means someone (or in this case an entire interstellar civilization of billions and billions of someones) were asleep at the switch for literal centuries.
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12 minutes ago, JB0 said:
It was a mining accident, if I recall. Which explains why no one saw it coming.
Fittingly, given that it was a stand-in for the Chernobyl disaster, an accident caused by unsafe operating conditions and insufficient safety measures.
12 minutes ago, JB0 said:The romulans were taken by surprise by something that gives folks thousands of years of advance notice. An explanation for the surprise is warranted.
Millions, usually... but something that normally happens on a geological timescale somehow caught the Romulans completely by surprise without, at any point, being indicated to be in any way unnatural.
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So... is the actual question "Will a handful of butthurt fanboy gatekeepers fold their arms and refuse to accept a new Macross series from Kawamori's successor?"
I'd bet on it.
But who cares? It'll be like the droning of cicadas in summer. Inevitable, but trivial, background noise.
Kawamori's been pretty clear about his view that Macross has no canon and that the Macross titles he didn't work on are as valid as his own. I doubt most Macross fans will really be at all bothered by it.
Will the next Macross be the last Macross? No.
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8 minutes ago, Dynaman said:
If they make it too far off the original Gundam timeline (No Char, No Amuro) the will be damned for that as well.
*looks at G Gundam, Gundam Wing, Gundam X, Turn A Gundam, Gundam SEED, Gundam 00, Gundam AGE, Gundam Build Fighters, Reconguista in G, and Iron-Blooded Orphans*
... I'm pretty sure they'll be OK if they don't stick to the original Gundam timeline.
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1 hour ago, tekering said:
But hey, if they were to slingshot Discovery back to the turn of the 25th century, I'd happily watch a season of Burnham vs. Picard.
No can do... Alien vs. Predator already trademarked the best tagline:
"Whoever wins, we lose."
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6 hours ago, Zinjo said:
it was very tricky to try to add the series into the main continuity before MF introduced fold faults and how fold quartz is able to cut through them.
Well, yeah... square peg, round hole? Macross II belongs to a radically different timeline that emphatically doesn't fit with Kawamori's later work.
2 hours ago, pengbuzz said:Naw... "RT-style mods" would be trying to piece together MII with two other unrelated series and hack them to bits. Were just talking a little bit of added animation or maybe just a voice-over.
Like this?
2 hours ago, GabrielV said:And there's almost certainly some kind of starship clip in Frontier or Delta somewhere that could be repurposed for that connecting to the main timeline part.
2 hours ago, GabrielV said:Oh, earlier it was mentioned the structures on Earth in Macross II looked like colony vessels. I recall seeing an image somewhere (maybe the This is Animation Special) where it shows that the various "buildings"are repurposed Zentran starship shells. I think there are a few places where this stands out in the show as well.
Yes, the UN Government and UN Forces in Macross II reuse old Zentradi ships for a lot of different purposes. Several that've been used as a foundation to build on in Macross City are visible in different establishing shots. Many others are refurbished for UN Forces use, and several were heavily reworked to become the Macross Cannon-class gunships. That's kind of Macross II's schtick, Earth has dealt with the Zentradi so many times that they've gotten incredibly good at it and their cup runneth over with secondhand Zentradi hardware.
(For about the first forty years after the First Space War, they barely had to do any shipbuilding of their own because they had SO MANY leftover Zentradi ships. It wasn't until the 2054 Zentradi invasion depleted their fleet that they had to start seriously considering next-generation warships like the Gloria, Heracles, and the new model battleship in the OVA. By the time the Mardook roll up, the Spacy's technically gone 5-1-1 on main fleets.
2 hours ago, JB0 said:I have to ask: does it MATTER if Macross 2 is canon or not? The show can be enjoyed without the explicit blessing of the powers that be.
It has the explicit blessing of The Powers That Be... as an alternate universe story.
Why it has to fit into the main Macross timeline is beyond me. Macross Ace included it on the timeline in error, after forgetting it was officially an AU.
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6 hours ago, Thom said:
Well, the reason for how fast the super nova in the Romulan system progressed so fast was because of (insert-science-mumbo-jumbo.) Obviously!
Something something reverse the polarity something something tachyons something subspace field.
Really, that nobody even attempts to explain is one of the more telling signs that they didn't think this one out even though it's plot-critical to Picard.
It definitely doesn't give one any hope for the writing in season two.
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Well, that was certainly a thing that I watched... I have no idea what any of it means, but I definitely watched it.
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3 minutes ago, Keith said:
Considering Toynami came into existence by slitting Toycoms throat & letting them drown, this is long overdue karma.
Not being a toy collector myself, I don't really have any strongly-held feelings about it... especially since I never bothered to buy any Robotech-branded stuff. But wow even the Wikipedia article for the company makes them sound like tools.
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7 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:
It would have been more plausible that someone who had it in for the Romulans as a whole either found the designs for or procured one of Dr. Tolian Soran's Trilithium weapons (Star Trek: Generations):
Some of the Expanded Universe material kinda tried to go that route... blaming the J.J. Abrams version of the supernova event on Tal Shiar hijinks, either in the form of them carrying out an illegal subspace weapon test that Went Horribly Wrong or, in STO, being deceived by the Iconians.
5 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:For context, lol.
I know, I just saw the opportunity to take a cheap shot at TAS and ran with it.
Shredded Space Satan made me do it.
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12 minutes ago, TangledThorns said:
A wizard did it.
"No we didn't." - the wizards of Megas-Tu.
(Yes, this is an actual screen capture of actual wizards from an actual episode of Star Trek.)
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6 minutes ago, jvmacross said:
yes, he does.....that must have stung for KC and/or Toynami to witness....
Especially Toynami... Harmony Gold created this whole mess to protect their then-new partnership with Toynami from competition from Bandai and Yamato.
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49 minutes ago, Thom said:
As to the Romulan super nova, I thought they were aware of the impending disaster and that's why the Federation had time to start building the convoy fleet.
They were... but the problem is "for how long?".
The supernova that destroyed the Romulan system in Star Trek: Picard was a normal supernova, which means the Romulans should have had MILLENNIA of advance notice... not a few years. Stars don't go supernova overnight. It's a process that takes millions or billions of years.
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9 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:
Since they had more than one idiot working on the series' storyline, they really dropped the ball on that one.
Yeah... at least when they did that awful tie-in comic to set up the first J.J. Abrams movie, the supernova that destroyed Romulus was in a different star system on the edge of Romulan space, was triggered artificially, and the threat was due to some kind of subspace shenanigans causing the destructive wavefront to propagate faster-than-light. It was goofy, but that was to be expected from Captain Mystery Box and the Can't Write boys.
Picard's alternate take on it, making the star the Romulan system's own and removing the exotic (and malicious/illegal cause) made it substantially more ridiculous since the Romulan civilization as a whole and its entire (considerable) scientific community collectively failed a spot check every instant of every day for two millennia or more regarding the status of the single most noticeable object in their homeworld's sky at any given time. It took it from being stupid and goofy J.J. Abrams-trademark trash tier writing to complete insanity.
9 minutes ago, pengbuzz said:On another note: I wonder if Earth at the level of development they had in Star Trek (TNG era) would have fared any better against the Zentraedi Attack in Macross any better than their Unity Government counterpart?
(perhaps fodder for another topic...)
Let's be honest, how many times has the Enterprise been "the only ship in the [term for a volume of space]" when Earth has been threatened?
I'm pretty sure that alone answers the question.
Starfleet's forces are mainly concentrated on the Federation's borders, rather than near Earth, partly because the Federation seems to share borders with so many belligerent powers: the Klingons (until the 2280s), the Romulans, the Cardassians, the Tzenkethi, the Breen, the Gorn, the Tholians, etc. (That's why the first question asked after Spock indicates that the Klingon peace proposal includes a total cessation of hostilities and dismantling of the defensive installations along the neutral zone is if they're mothballing Starfleet.)
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If they're smart, they'll just go create their own Gundam timeline.
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1 hour ago, jvmacross said:
Good to know they are still busy......unfortunately, not interested in anything other than Macross...hope they can move onto the Destroids and Enemy Mecha, but may not be their thing
Circle FANKY? Ships are kind of their thing, so I'd expect they're probably more or less done with Macross.
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7 hours ago, Thom said:
Accepted, but conditionally. Coupled with their mind-set, and the fact that factions would have gladly gone to war rather the demilitarize the neutral zone, I would say that their troubles were far more of psychological nature than a truly physical one. Being a multi-system empire, they had the means, but they had problems with the peace part of the whole thing. And the apparent inability to decentralize their energy production facilities...
Or cultural... what great, monolithic empire hasn't been paralyzed with indecision after the capital it believed was untouchable is threatened?
(Maybe that's why, by TNG and DS9, there's an auxiliary Klingon military HQ on Ty'Gokor?)
7 hours ago, Thom said:Another difference is that major relief was not needed for them as with the Romulans. Between the two, that is the one that I have the most trouble with. If this had happened to Bajor, then I could see the need for the Federation to offer so much assistance to a single-planet gov.
The general vibe I get is that the Romulans, as a less belligerent and fractious people to begin with who were only just switching TOS character sheets with the Klingons over which of them are the "good enemies" vs. the backstabbing deceitful ones, generally had more of their sh*t together than the Klingons ever did.
7 hours ago, Thom said:It was a very large blast, esp to be able to knock Excelsior around lights years away. But she wasn't in warp though. At the time, she was sublight cataloging gaseous anomalies... So I am assuming that there was nothing wrong with using warp at or around Qo'noS.
It wasn't the blast itself that knocked Excelsior around, it was a subspace shockwave produced by the blast. Excelsior was at impulse and still got knocked around pretty badly by it, but it's worth noting that warp drives aren't the only propulsion technologies that use subspace fields for propulsive effect. Impulse drives do too. It's possible ships at warp were hit even harder by it because they were running much more intense subspace fields, and were maybe tossed about to their own destruction.
7 hours ago, Thom said:That does bring up another point about STUC. Qo'noS only lost its ozone layer in the blast. But considering the effect it had on Excelsior, again light years away, it probably should have blown the atmosphere clean off, and cooked half the surface for good measure.
It was one of those weird planar shockwaves that only exist in fiction... maybe Qo'nos got lucky and it just... missed?
Admittedly not any less unrealistic than the Romulans just failing miserably to notice their sun was ready to go supernova, something that any idiot should've been able to tell in the two thousand or so years they'd lived in the system after emigrating from Vulcan.
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5 hours ago, GabrielV said:
So, is his view that all of what we've seen of Macross is just dramatized events?
At the very least, that is how Kawamori chooses to explain things like Macross's "broad strokes" approach to inter-series continuity, multiple versions of a given story and the changes between versions, zeerust, most examples of art evolution, and the occasional Word of God moment like redefining the significance of the VF-X2 coup attempt.
5 hours ago, GabrielV said:Do we need to subliminally put "dramatic re-enactment" on all scenes of everything?
I don't think so.
Kawamori's views are his own, while Big West takes a somewhat (but not too much) firmer view of things like continuity.
As to the awkward framing choices in Delta... I don't think there's anything more to that than just having done a very poor job with the action choreography, which is a problem that dogs the show's entire run.
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On 6/27/2019 at 9:45 AM, sh9000 said:
The Hitman’s Wife’s Bodyguard
... Uncle's Cousin's Nephew's Former Roommate!
Seems like a vanilla-enough action comedy, I guess.
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51 minutes ago, jenius said:
Knowing nothing about Gundam... I was like "cool, live action robot fights!" Then I came to this thread and became very apprehensive.
Gundam is... diverse in its styles of storytelling.
Amuro and Char could most charitably be called best frenemies, but there's a lot of wooly stuff about the evolution of mankind, empathy, and the nature of conflict. Basically, "like Macross but relentlessly dark and pessimistic."
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6 minutes ago, Keith said:
What are you talking about, there was never not a love arc between Char and Amuro.
Yes, there absolutely wasn't an entire feature film devoted to Char's unrequited man-crush on Amuro complete with him secretly sending Amuro gifts and everything before a dramatic reunion that involves what might as well be actual magic and ending with them dying together. The Earth didn't move, but a moon-sized asteroid absolutely did.
After all, that'd be crazy, wouldn't it?
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9 hours ago, JB0 said:
Even assuming those wider effects are limited to subspace, they probably have significant short-term implications for warp travel within the empire.
"The Q and the Grey" definitely supports the idea, since the subspace shockwaves from the Q's civil war collapsed Voyager's warp field.
Mind you, there'd probably be a more immediate economic crisis caused disruptions of traffic to and from Qo'nos due to the debris from Praxis's explosion impacting the surface, the ensuing environmental catastrophes large-scale impact events would've caused, and the disruptions to shipping caused by the debris that is still in orbital or near-orbital space, to say nothing of the inevitable cleanup effort that probably involved no small amount of photon torpedo and disruptor fire to break the debris into manageable chunks small enough to be burned up on reentry or at least be towed away with tractor beams.
Quite a lot more disruptive and anarchic than simply coordinating mass evacuations.
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It can't possibly be as hilariously terribad as G-Saviour, so they have my curiosity...
The Newbie and Short Questions thread
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What little information has been made available for Absolute Live!!!!!! has indicated that the antagonist in the movie is a new threat rather than the return of an old one.
The trailer suggests whoever it is, Windermere IV is willing to put aside its differences with the Brisingr Alliance and New UN Government to stop them.
Insufficient information to make any determination at this time.
Mind you, with Kawamori's loose attitude towards continuity in general the answer could well be "Both" or "Neither".
(For instance, in the Macross Frontier side story light novel Macross the Ride, the setting is generally based on the Macross Frontier TV series but the movie-exclusive YF-29 is talked about briefly in connection with Macross Galaxy's YF-27 program.)
Yes.
As popular as Sheryl (and May'n) is with the fans, I think it's a safe bet she will.
(Certain works outside the official setting mention her continuing her music career beyond the events of the Vajra War, including Variable Fighter Master File: VF-25 Messiah.)
He was a pretty minor character in the movie version, and spent most of the film nominally aligned with the "bad guys".
Yes, with the exception of the first few Megaroad-class ships, all emigrant ships have been built in repurposed factory satellites.
There has not been any explicit mention of new emigrant ships being built after the 2040s, but the answer is almost certainly "Yes".
The New UN Government had multiple planets launching emigrant fleets in the 2040s and production was ramping up not down, so it's very likely that production of those ships is ongoing in the 2050s and 2060s, albeit with ever-more-modern designs.