the white drew carey

Damn... his peripheral vision must suck!!!

These two screenshots alone lead me to believe it will follow the SDF-Macross storyline with, as Abombz stated above, DYRL designs.

The first is, obviously, Booby Trap. And the second is when the silly humans (who are meddling with things beyond their comprehension) decide to fold a tad to close to the surface, dragging half of South Ataria island with them to Pluto.

Before the Wildstorm comics came about, all comic series before it are ALWAYS NON-CANON because the stories are treated the same way as fanfic stories: unofficial stories that have no bearing to the timeline. The Robotech Reference Guide did treat the Malcontent Uprisings as canon because they want to put a logical reason for the establishment of the Southern Cross Armies.

Wait a second... let me see if I understand you correctly:

You're saying that every comic made before the Wildstorm comics were never "official".

If that's what your saying, your wrong. HG was involved in the whole kit-and-kaboodle. And it was official, at the time.

But then HG realised that everything they had done with RT after the initial series (including the movie, the Jack McKinney novels, the Sentinels, Malcontent Uprisings comics) kind of blew chunks. So they decided to revoke their canon status and start over.

Game Informer magazine has an article about the game. Bandai Ent. has been asked if they would release it in the US and the answer was that they would look into doing it.

I'll try to get the article scanned this evening... I've had the mag since Saturday, but I've just been too busy!

Hop to it, chief!!! I still haven't gotten mine yet, but that's probably because it's being forwarded from my previous address.

Remember, there are no stupid questions.

NOOOOO youre talking about full matal panic >!< im talking bout Full matal panic > ? < the Seqeul the first ep just aired like a day or two ago.

"matal"???

What are you running? If it's Windows XP, there are instructions HERE on how to use these icons on your PC. I'm not sure how compatable these instructions are with other Windows OS, though.

"matal" ???

No prob. I'll send all of the ones I have so far, which are pretty much all you've seen except for a Kakazaki portrait which I forgot to put up...

Poor Kakazaki.

"Studio Yune"...

What a putz.

I just think it's funny that the programmers were unable to find away to make "battloid" mode work with the wings folded in, so they just got rid of them.

Good work, programmers. Bandai could do it.

I think the only difference is that the Blue one is numbered 001 whereas the Red one is numbered 018.

Other than that I think there are different parts to make the MSZ-006A1 and the MSZ-006C1 (basically, different guns and crotches and other features.

My Sentinel book is still packed up, so I'm not sure if the Hummingbird has a different designation.

LEFT!

AIXELSYD

Dude... I got a lot of tables.

More things are afoot under the rather quiet times right now for Macross, methinks.

Kind of like the man-eating Perch and Bluegill hiding under the placid waters of your local pond?

cwbrown- I'd have to look up the links where I initially got the info since that was over a year ago and I just looked up Statute of Limitations on google in conjunction with other words, especially Copyright.

After that I talked with the lawyer I work for. In a nutshell (based on the info we had at the time) she told me that if HG's staffing predicament was as bad as they claim, once they were back on their feet they could moved forward with litigation.

Basically, she said that HG's excuse doesn't fly...

...and I believed her!!!

M3 booklet

On the right.

But, yeah... I'm not sure about how canon it is.

Here's a few more, including the elusive VF-4 and VF-X-4... collect them all!!!

One thing I noticed is that they come off a little darker and blurry here than they actually look on the dock.

Oh yes, more will be available as I make them. I'm looking for more useable images, but I'm also working on a Totoro icon set and some Hello Kitty and PowerPuff Girls sets for my wife.

I'll keep everyone updated.

UPDATED INFORMATION!!! SCROLL DOWN!!! UNTIL YOU SEE "STOP!!!"

I've been fiddling around with making icons for Mac OS-X and here's the fruit of my labors thus far. For anyone who would like to partake in these, just PM me with an e-mail address to send them to. I'll send them out in groups of 5-6 to keep the e-mails relatively small. You might also need an Icon program to view them, but I'm actually computer illiterate, so I'm not sure.

Oh yeah, they look much better when they're on your dock. Trust me.

Anyhow... here's the first batch:

I wouldn't need it to be poseable, just insanely detailed.

Another major point is that it would have to be correctly designed. Look at those legs!!! Ugh!

First off, I got of the boat from my deep sea trip to Mexico last night and the whole damn world is still moving.

You know, I was fine when we got off of our cruise, but Erika is still feeling wavey, and it's been a week and a half!!!

You're entirely correct on the liscense issue, they are two seperate liscneses. HG's claim is that they, at the very least, have the exclusive ability to liscense and approve merchandise for SDF Macross and it's derivatives for worldwide release.

You're right on this part. But I'm still up in the air about what HG really thinks they have a right to, and what they are saying they have a right to just to trip up any further competition. But that's my opinion.

But on this point...

Meaning that, HG would have to pay BW to liscense everything that is liscensed outside of Japan.

... I think you're mistaken. I highly doubt that HG will ever agree to pay BigWest for rights unless they're willing to admit that they weren't being truthful about their previous claims of blanket control. But this next part...

Unless, of course, they get liscense from BW first and then get approval from (ie. make payment to...) HG.

...sounds more like what happened with the Toycom incident.

Hey, were both saying the same thing. But, as you know, I don't agree that this arguement applies to the releases of DYRL?, MacII and Mac+.

In think it completely applies. Hasbro licensed the toy and molds from Matsushiro to make Jetfire. It was a legal licensing and HG couldn't do anything about it.

I'm of the opinion that the same thing holds with DYRL, Mac II and Mac+. Those programs were legally licensed outside of Japan and HG knew they couldn't do anything about it.

I agree, I think it's a case where they didn't get the rights through any of the proper channels.

Yeah, this one's all screwy. I do believe that FASA thought, in good faith, that they had the rights, at least to the Nichimo kits. Here's what it says on the instructions for those kits:

Licensed by Tatsunoko Productions of Japan.

Contents & Packaging © 1987 Twentieth Century Imports, Inc.

Battletech & Concepts 1985 by FAFA Corporation

Make of that what you will. Because the out of court settlement is non-disclosure, I don't think we'll ever know what happened.

*Scene: SDCC, Toynami Booth*

(Two fans talking)

Fan1: Hey, did you hear the TokyoPop is releasing Macross 7 Trash?

Enter George Sohn

George Sohn: Really? Where'd you hear that?

Fan2: The Robotech panel.

Enter Alan Letz

George Sohn: Alan, what's this about Macross 7 Trash.

Alan Letz: Hey, if anyone wants to come to us and make a deal...

(Conversation continues out of ear shot of fans.)

True story.

Doesn't prove anything.

For all I know, this is the only thing remotely official that I've seen:

Comic-Con, San Diego, CA (July 18, 2003) - Further solidifying its position as the leading U.S. manga publisher, TOKYOPOP Inc. is pleased to announce the addition of Macross 7 Trash to its 2004 manga release schedule. The legendary and complex Macross universe is seminal in the history of anime and manga. There have been thousands of Macross TV anime episodes, movies, manga volumes, toys, and videogames, spanning multiple distinct series. Macross - which was released worldwide by Harmony Gold - recently celebrated its 20th Anniversary and is known to many television viewers as Robotech.

One of the most popular incarnations of this franchise is Macross 7. The fan-favorite Macross 7 Trash manga is known as a side-story to the anime - set in the same world, but featuring different themes, characters and tone. Created by Mikimoto Haruhiko (Gundam 0080, Orguss), Macross 7 Trash features a complex, layered, character-driven narrative that adds immeasurably to the overall richness and diversity of the Macross experience. The story was originally serialized in Japan's Shounen Ace magazine from 1994 to 2001.

"TOKYOPOP looks forward to not only sharing this compelling series with its existing fanbase here in America, but also to introducing a whole new audience of readers to Macross 7 Trash," said the company's President & COO John Parker.

Yadda-yadda-yadda... The press release makes no mention of an actual collaboration between TokyoPop and HG on this. And I've seen enough press releases to know that when two companies are in any way connected on a project, the press release says so.

I guess unless further info is release on Mac7trash, we won't know until we open up the first page and see whether "Licensed by Harmony Gold" is there or not.

I agree with you, BW has never claimed that DYRL? isn't a derivative of SDF Macross and that it's a seperate liscense. A few had brought up the possibility that that could be the case.

OK, now I see what you were getting at. I'm slow, folks.

I think you know that the issue of SDF Macross has to be settled first before the derivative issue can be taken up directly.

Umm... that's not what I was getting at.

You see, until HG suddenly started claiming international ownership of Macross (outside of Japan) in 2000, BigWest licensed MacII and Mac+ all by their lonesome. Also, someone or other licensed DYRL (exactly who is still a mystery to me).

Now, in all this time, if Tatsunoko was supposed to be handling international licensing, don't you think they would've gone and had a talk with HG about it? I mean, I'm sure it would've come up sometime.

I am of the opinion that Tatsunoko knew the only rights they were ever privy to were to the TV series. Nothing more and nothing less.

Check your PM.

Oh yeah!!! Well check your PM!!!

Definitely Red for me. The Blue just doesn't cut it.

Now if they had a Grey one... Hmmm...

Yeah, some people have been happy with theirs, but others have definitely not.

For 5 Grand I'd expect something super-detailed, but instead it's an eyesore monstrosity with less detail than the old Nichimo kits. You'd think the larger it is the more detailed it should be, eh?

Anyone know why Harmony Gold isn't runing after Manga for releasing Macross Plus in the US where there is a VF-1 appearance?

I thought Harmony Gold claims anything derivative from the Original Series.

According to Harmony Gold, the reason they didn't do anything about Macross Plus was because they simply didn't know about it. The story goes that Haim Saban (of Pwer Rangers infamy) headhunted most of HG's staff and left them with barely a skeleton crew to keep the company alive. It was during this time of turmoil that Macross Plus was released and, being so understaffed as it was, HG didn't even notice, and, by the time they did, the statute of limitations kicked in and they had no legal recourse. They simple had to let Manga keep Macross Plus.

Now, what's wrong with this explanation?

1) This excuse does not even attempt to explain how DYRL or Macross II "slipped" by HG's radars before Saban stole HG's staff.

2) HG's claim of being understaffed doesn't hold up because they were still licensing out Robotech too other companies for comic books, toys, and, especially, what was to be abig game for the new N64: Robotech- Crystal Dreams. Simply put, a company cannot be actively profiting from their product and yet claim ignorance on other aspects of the market. Some people have tried to defend HG on this point, but their defense is weak.

3) The "Statute of Limitations" defense also does not work. The statute of limitations allows for a company to ignorant of copyright infringement on their product. The set time-frame for the statute of limitations doesn't actually start ticking down until the company is said to become aware of the infringement. Hence, when Tommy Yune said that by the time they found out, it was too late, he was lying to everyone who was listening in hopes that they were stupid. The statute of limitations started once they found out.

4) Secondly, HG's claim goes way beyond the Statue of Limitations. BigWest actually copyrighted Macross Plus here in the US and holds that copyright to this day. It's not as simple case of someone infringing on HG's copyrights. If HG ISN'T lying about this whole thing, than that means that BigWest has illegally usurped what is technically HG's copyright. This is a much larger matter and if HG is truthful in what they're telling us, they could stand to make a lot of money out of this. So is it any real surprise that they haven't?

There's many more reasons, but I think this is good enough for now.

Here's a link to the discussion on the previous board:

http://www.macrossworld.com/cgi-bin/mwf/ik...t=ST;f=14;t=697