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Cool! I didn't know that.

Wouldn't it be cool if they mass produced 70's super robots like they did in mecha shows? Here is a concept shot of one with little "Caution" stickers and a number designation:

That is the GX-06 Soul of Chogokin Getter 1 from the Bandai set. I don't like how it looks really, but the Getter 2 and 3 from the set are spot on.

It's the one in the middle, standing between Shin Getter and Getter Dragun. It's a little over 6 inches tall.

I have one and love it because it has the head and body style from the Shin Getter OVA - which I much prefer to the old style Bandai SOC look.

Do you like Zero better than DYRL? Be honest...

I don't think its really a fair question. I watched DYRL when I was 6 years old. It shaped my imagination in ways that most people couldn't understand (well maybe some of you can ). My favorite toy was a Bandai Super Deformed Hikaru VF-1. My views are tainted in that way.

To be honest? Some aspects of M-0 that I like better, especially the realism aspect of VFs. To me now, I can understand how VFs work and how they fight compared to our modern fighters. I really couldn't do that at all before hand. As I said earlier, the helmet mounted sight they use actually is a derivative of the bleeding edge research that one of my best friend carries out. That makes it real.

As an overall movie though, I like DYRL better (not by so much though). DYRL is a bit rushed to me, and it has some problems. The TV continuity makes more sense. However, that was never my point of my first post. I don't think Macross zero a bad movie or even close to one, I can see why people think so, but that because you EXPECT it to be a certain way. That was what I was getting at, not that DYRL or M-0 was better or worse.

(sorry for editing everything, I'm just terrible at editing before I post)

I think we agree more than we disagree. I dig the innovations of the Zero mechs for sure (even though they "disrupt" the timeline of the series). I like the thrust vectoring and the stealth design of the carrier and all that.

DYRL benefits from fans knowing the series so they don't have to spend time backfilling the why and the what. Zero should have that same benefit to some extent but doesn't really connect the dots very well. Many people, including me, were expecting more of a direct prequel than it turned out to be. So sure I feel let down and didn't really like the overall story. Doesn't mean I'm a dunce or and A-hole.

Yeah, I know Macross is more than just the valkyries. I like the characters in the other shows very much. Can you say you care as much about Shin as say, Hikaru?

So, the characters, music, and mech that Kawamori mentions, I'm all for that. Zero obviously goes beyond those elements, for me too far, and at the expense of good story and character development. Maybe if Zero was loonger, I'd have gotten more of that and liked it more. As it is, I think it sucks.

I also don't see how you can compare the how much you like a character from a whole TV show and compare it to one of a 2 hour movie. I think if you wanted to compare something, watch DYRL ONLY, and then compare if you like Hikaru more than Shin. Do you really think that DYRL Hikaru is more developed than M-Zero Shin, or M+ guld? Actually I think he's less developed than most of these characters.

Glad you like it though, and that it provides you hours of speculation about whether bird humans are flying fish that evolved from protoculture semen and spawned humans that disappear to the stars in barrier forcefield folds because they feel love and not Kundun anger while singing the song of life in a big floating flower

ooooooh good one, hey let me try!

Good on you for coming onto a web message board to talk about a 25 year old cartoon that features fighter planes in space that transform into robots and fight 60 foot tall aliens that get scared of their erection when they see girl sing a song.

You've really proved your point haven't you?

Yep!

Do you like Zero better than DYRL? Be honest...

Honestly thats your interpretation of what Macross is, sorry to say you aren't Kawamori. I would say that the reason why macross plus is so different is that it wasn't ever intended to be a macross story at all, it was supposed to be of advanced air cavalry chronicles (or whatever he wanted to call it) to be made made after DYRL. The series would have nothing to do with macross. This is a direct quote of Kawamori found here:

http://www.macrossworld.com/macross/transl...cedvalkyrie.htm

Having directed last year's Macross movie, I'd pretty much done all that I'd wanted to do with Macross. So Advanced Valkyrie isn't a sequel to Macross. Macross is a conglomeration of three aspects: the use of music, the use of characters, and mechanics. I want to try working separately from the Macross concept by focusing on each of these points individually. This time, the project is to dig into the mechanical aspect, and in particular the Valkyries. It focuses on aircraft, which I love more than anything else.

Thats exactly what SDF macross was, a synthesis of music characters ect, NOT just the valkyries. He later decided to use the Macross universe to tell the Advance Valkyrie story, however macross plus does not fit the pattern of the rest of the stories. Remove it, and you see a definate pattern between SDF, Macross 7, and Macross zero, going back to my original post months ago about japanese pacifism and the need for alternatives to war.

I'm sorry that you don't get that, you might have a view on what Macross is about, but its wrong, and likely does not follow Kawamori's view. If you don't like it, tough, stop watching and groaning about it. This forum is littered with the detritus of countless Macross 7 threads that have explained it again and again. And still people persist in saying, Oh well its nothing like SDF macross. Hello, maybe thats because what you think SDF macross is, isnt what it was intended to be by Kawamori. I can think of countless famous pieces of literature that have been misintrepreted by scholars to mean one thing, when the author really meant something else, that get illuminated by later pieces of work. Macross Zero only cemented the themes that Kawamori wanted to present. I think it is quite clear what Kawamori is getting at now after these three series have been put out there.

edited for clarity and typos

Yeah, I know Macross is more than just the valkyries. I like the characters in the other shows very much. Can you say you care as much about Shin as say, Hikaru?

So, the characters, music, and mech that Kawamori mentions, I'm all for that. Zero obviously goes beyond those elements, for me too far, and at the expense of good story and character development. Maybe if Zero was loonger, I'd have gotten more of that and liked it more. As it is, I think it sucks.

Glad you like it though, and that it provides you hours of speculation about whether bird humans are flying fish that evolved from protoculture semen and spawned humans that disappear to the stars in barrier forcefield folds because they feel love and not Kundun anger while singing the song of life in a big floating flower

I just watched part 5 last night and I have to say this whole series really disappointed me. In fact I think it sucked balls. I hate the whole magic hooey-pooey crap. Macross, to me, was always about the tech and the mech. Flying rocks? Bird Humans? Come on. This was like a totally different show with valks and Fokker thrown in to make a Macross connection. I never liked Shin nor gave a poo what happened to him or Sara. Character development was very poor.

Macross Plus had the right vein for a Macross sequel. If Kawamori wanted to do magic, he should have done Escaflowne Zero.

Well, that's my opinion, commence the bombardment!

I think that is a very nice touch to your display... The pilots look great next to their mecha... The Macross pilots are a tad large though..

Thanks, I agree. I think it looks sort of like a poster scene they typically do for a series with the hero striking a pose as their mech looms behind them.

The 0083 figure are indeed the ones Bandai put out. They released a large number of lesser known characters and they didn't sell well which is why you can sometimes still find them on clearance at TRU. I need to track down the Amuro Rey to display with my RX-93 Nu Gundam DX.

...more - Uraki with GP01, Gato with Zaku II, Van with Escaflowne:

So I've been on this kick to track down pilot figures to display with their respective machines. CMS is making this easy these days. Here are some of mine. Display yours if you got 'em.

Set I have:

None of mine had any SF3D, sorry.

I have some 80's HJs. What are you huntin'?

I think it was indeed Ghostriders. Cool name.

So at the end of Jedi they replace the old actor of Anakin's force ghost with teh young Hayden Christiansen. So why didn't they replace Alec Guiness with Ewan McGregor? Why did ObiWan's ghost stay the old Ben? Why not throw QuiGon and Samuel Jackson in there too. Makes no sense.

I just got one and overall, I like it. To me the quality is no worse than any of the 1/60 Yamatos I've had.

Pics of mine:

Here is the Garland with rider shown at the Atelier-sai booth. The Garland is identical to the one at the Yamato booth. The rider has no facial details or clothing, just an articulated dummy at this point.

That is indeed one of those "blank" Micromen figures on the Garland, so that gives an idea of the scale of the bike. The figure is obviously a little too small, though, and I hope they make a properly sized Shogo Yahagi for it.

At any rate, it looks beautiful! I've waited 20 years for a transforming Garland toy. I've had a pretty shitty year so far and this makes me smile a little at least.

Praise Yamato for coming through on this one.

There are also bootleg issues of this toy, they pop up on ebay from time to time. I have never handled one to see what, if anything, is printed on the foot, but they have the spring loaded arms like the Takatoku release.

O, Greg, I'm so sorry.

Our local otaku leader here (owner of Anime Cafe) in WA just lost his wife too, only 30 yrs old, from an unforseen brain anurism, while he was deployed in Iraq as a reserve. Hadn't seen her in 6 months, and was called back just so he could do the funeral. Never saw it coming.

His gusto is gone now too, so he's letting go of his business of 15 years and re-enlisting full time cause he has nothing left for him here.

I know what you mean about if it weren't for your child you'd be gone a long time ago. (I dare not ever tell her, but I too would have been gone a long time ago had my daughter not depended on me). I'm there with you on that. But in time you will find more reason to live again.

I know what it's like to lose a loved one; it's almost as if your entire world as you've known it has disappeared, and in a way, a part of you on the inside dies with her, and it takes time to find a way to deal with the shock and eventually rebuild around that empty spot inside. You never can quite fill it back up the same, but you will be able to start again in a different way, a different life. I've been away from MW for 2 years for similar reasons, and I can understand how you too will have to disconnect from your usual interests and past times. Just remember to count on the people that are there for you when you come back, not just here, but in real life too. You'll need your friends and family now more than ever, and you will discover who your true friends and loved ones are, maybe even discover some you never knew you had. You'll be alright.

I'm so sorry for your loss, Greg. You've always been one of my favourite artists and MW friends, and I'm sure you can take comfort that many here do see you as a standup guy and wish you the best.

My prayers are with you and your family. Please take care of yourself.

Sincerely,

-Atto Madrid (aka Rosario)

Rosario and everyone,

Thank you for your posts. Everything Rosario said was exactly true. My wife had just turned 30 as well. Her pregnancy was difficult because she was diabetic. Things were just coming to normal with our baby, but Heather was going to need a kidney transplant due to the stress on her body from the pregnancy. But she never complained. If you've ever seen the movie Steel Magnolias, it's the same scenario. Her brother was going to give her one of his. She was driving home from a blood test when the accident happened. That is what breaks my heart the most is that she won't get to see her little girl, whom she sacrificed so much for, grow up. She was the kindest, strongest woman I have ever known. I knew I had a great woman but I never truly appreciated that until now.

Greg

If you have been trying to contact me and I haven't replied I'm sorry. My wife was killed in a car wreck last Wednesday and I have lost interest in life. If it were not for my baby girl depending on me I would not still be here. I will return if and when I recover.

Yeah, they were very limited resin garage kits sold at some Japan hobby show last year. I believe Black Aces offered some for sale here for like $300. I considered picking one up but I don't like resin kits. It looked awesome, though, and I wanted to see if anyone here picked one up and built it.

Also, I think it was the ProtoGarland - the one without wheels.

If so, I would like to see pics of the build up.