DrunkenPilot72

I'd have to disagree man, I used to think the VF-11 was the same size as the VF-1 toy also, but I was pleasantly surprised to see that it wasn't. In person, the VF-11 is actually significantly bigger and taller all around. Not to mention the engineering is ridiculous in a good way. It incorporates a lot of advancements that surprised me upon the initial transformation. Not to mention, there are several internal parts that are not visible unless you open the toy up, and the higher the amount of smaller parts to tool=higher price. Engineering-wise it's on par if not a bit more advanced than the V2 1/60 VF-1, which IMHO, shoulder-issues aside, was a turning point for Yamato, as the V2 1/60 VF-1 is a more toyetic release(compared to previous Yamato toys) without compromising detail.

Toy-wise, VF-0 feels dated, V2 1/60 VF-1 is "just right", while VF-11 goes beyond.

Well that is a relief. I knew about the engineering behind the VF-11 but I didn't know that it was actually larger than the VF-1, it always looked about the same size from all the pictures I've seen (that is unless you pose it with a VF-0 in the back to make it look much larger ). I'll think about it but at this point I'm much more interested in the larger more diverse valks since I already have a VF-1S and VF-1A. Though I have to admit the sale at Angolz for the VF-11B is tempting right now.

That said, does anyone know if Ivan's SV-51 has been improved at all since the original release? I'm already familiar with the build since I got my little brother Nora's version last Christmas but I wanted to know if Ivan's was still one of the valks to avoid.

Well I just got my VF-0S earlier this week (took a while for the order to process but the shipping was quick as usual) and I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed with it. There are a few areas that are somewhat floppy but overall it is a very solid piece. It definitely feels like the predecessor to the VF-1S in every sense of the word, not only conceptually but physically as the figure wasn't engineered to fit together nearly as tightly as either of the VF-1 valks I have. If I ever see a VF-0A for a good price I'll definitely jump on it but again, it isn't something that I have to have so I don't have to worry about burning a hole in my wallet.

I do have to say that after handling both the VF-0 and VF-1, I can't justify picking up a VF-11. The VF-11 just seems far too overpriced when the valk is roughly the same size as the VF-1 but costs as much as the VF-0 or YF-19. At least with the Elintseeker there are the heavily customized accessories so the price is somewhat justifiable but I can't see it with the VF-11. Looks like I won't be collecting anything outside the VF-0, VF-1, and YF-19 lines.

VF-1S Focker edition easily but that could easily change if Yamato ever decides to release Reaction Armor for the VF-0S.

Yes. Yes it is. I held off for as long as I could before finally picking up the DYRL Roy Focker, and man... when I first took that piece of plastic crack out of the tray, I had a geekgasm. I'm addicted now. I thought I would only get one, maybe two valks, but now I'm in it for two more, and more later on if the price is right. With the discounts right now at HLJ, the price is definitely right. Plus, I figure I'll need a Destroid as well. Sold my GI Joe POC MOC figures to fund this latest purchase. FML.

Damn I just caved and ordered....

Seriously though I honestly thought that I could stop at the original VF-1S seeing it was a gift from my girl friend and as how I never really cared for the other pilots or valks aside from maybe the YF-19/VF-19. Needless to say I was blown away by how amazing Yamato's valks were (and the fact that I lucked out with the Vf-1S's shoulders) but I thought that Macross Ultimate Frontier would have been enough to keep me from buying another valk.

That worked until 2 weeks ago when I caved after seeing the mass produced VF-1A for sale at Angolz. I figured that the Elintseeker would be a great way to finish off a collection then the VF-0S goes on sale...

If nothing else I know that this isn't going to get too out of hand. I've never been tempted by anything flown by anyone other than Roy, Isamu, and Ozma matter how low the price dropped so that narrows it down quite a bit. I know I'll probably end up owning an Elintseeker and the YF-19/VF-19 within a year or so but other than that I don't see any problems barring FAST packs, Ghost Boosters, Fold Boosters, etc.

Great now I'm debating whether or not I want to risk ordering the VF-0S right now. I'm looking at HLJ right now and as much as I freaking love the VF-0S, I really don't want to risk wasting 150ish dollars. I royally lucked out with the stand alone DYRL VF-1S and thought that the only other valk I'd get this year would be the Elintseeker to go along with the mass produced VF-1A I just got.

Is this the beginning of the downward spiral everyone was talking about?

GET the ElintSeeker. Trust me--It's pricy, but worth it. I never get tired of looking at it...Prob one of my top 3 favorite 1:60 ver.2 Valks. And IMHO, one of, if not the best, of the 1:60 ver.2 Line from Yamato.

Out of curiosity, what are the other 2 valks in your top 3?

Also, would you recommend the Elintseeker over the VF-11? I have an empty spot next to my VF-1S and mass produced VF-1A and I'm still undecided on what would look better.

I believe that I have a problem.... maybe you all can help me with...

I thin that MUF ruined me, basically I have been slam dunking other gamez that I have played for their poor graphics and in game play.

I think that MUFz quality has ruined me for other game I am looking for it every were and cant find it and have become dissatisfied with gamez that have not even come out yet "DCUniverseOnline" and the funny thing about that is that it is made by Sony as well; the graphiz are not bad for a mmo but the game play is how can I say "cryptic" if any one getz what I am saying "coh" "championz online" !!!!

But MUF is untouchable handz down I will never sell the game, I have had my psp for like almost a decade and the power line died before the battery therefore I have to wait until I can buy another here shortly.

NO GAME OUT CAN TOUCH THE GAMEPLAY ACTION OF MUF....

Can any one think of any game that come close ???

Mecha wise, I don't think so.

Overall quality, Metal Gear Peace Walker is the only PSP game in the same league as MUF imo.

As annoying as it is to have to replace broken parts, at least for me, the major hassle is in the distance/shipping/waiting, rather than the actual problems. Not to say Yamato can't improve their engineering so things don't happen as often, but if we could walk into our local store and exchange a broken valk for a new one off the shelves on the same day we bought it, I'd bet a lot of us wouldn't be nearly as concerned.

That is certainly the case here with Xbox 360s. I personally know people who have gone through 3 and I've heard stories of people going through 7. Dropping $200+ for a faulty product is complete bull yet people don't complain nearly as much if they can get a replacement locally.

My flightpose stand just came in last week and it works great for my VF-1S. I'm not sure how well it would hold the heavier valks but it can still hold up the VF-1 series with no problems.

I don't think there is enough of a difference to warrant a TV version of Roy's VF-1S. If nothing else, it could be a version with guaranteed shoulder pins though I'd much rather Yamato come out with another mold or at least another accessory TBH. I'm personally hoping for Reactive Armor for the VF-0 or more destroids though I know both are unlikely.

Wow these stands look pretty good, I'll probably try one out once HLJ ships out my VF-0S. While these stands look amazing for Fighter and Battroid mode, I'm probably in the minority when I say that I still prefer the Yamato stand for Gerwalk.

I just put in an order for the VF-0S from HLJ so hopefully I'll get one shipped to me when they restock in April.

I wonder if Yamato will ever come out with the Reaction Armor for the VF-0S.

Thanks for the info on the Yamato version everyone, I'll just save my money and await to see how the Bandai one turns out before I decide. If this version doesn't deliver hopefully it will drive the price of the Yamato Konig down so maybe I can at least get a much cheaper Konig if nothing else.

That said, does anyone know the chances of a repaint or is this pretty much going to be the only version we'll see?

So given that the other 2 modes of the Yamato Konig are absolutely terrible, how bad do the arms sag down in Gerwalk mode? I found a great deal on an original Konig but was wondering if anyone here would honestly recommend it since I only want a giant Destroid. Are the arms salvageable in Gerwalk or do they sag down just as bad as in Battroid mode? Is Gerwalk mode at least bigger than a 1/60 VF-1 Battroid?

Was the original Yamato Konig really THAT bad? I can understand any stability issues with Battroid mode but did Gerwalk mode hold up at all? I don't really care about the Shuttle or Battroid modes for the Konig in all honesty.

Does it sound like does?

It could be, I haven't been here long enough to see if this comes up often enough for people to dismiss it all together. Collecting valks isn't exactly a common hobby after all.

Don't ask questions like that here, here we make gross assumptions on pricing structures based on transformers and legos versus valkyries.

Was that suppose to be directed at me?

and that proves what exactly?

It proves that there is enough of a demand for Destroids to justify their continued manufacture when their prices fluctuate as much as generic valks that are mostly just off color variations of hero valks. Yamato isn't going to get nearly as much mileage from the Destroid molds compared to the VF-1, YF-19, and YF-21 molds yet the fact that the Destroids haven't been discontinued yet shows that there is some profit to be had. Yamato operates on a much smaller scale than Takara or Bandai and they don't have nearly as many resources so they have to be very careful about which molds they invest in yet we saw Destroids before some of the other more in demand valks.

I'm sure you don't care for the more generic mechs but there are enough people out there who buy them to make them profitable for Yamato.

yeah that demand that had them all laying in discounts bins

Not anymore than some of the other non hero valks.

nobody buys secondary mecha

We do have Destroids so there is at least some demand for it.

You'll be walking a minefield... just like with the VF-0S toys. Preorder it from someone you know is currently sold out.

Hold up I thought the VF-0S figures have been fixed since the Ghost Booster release. It shouldn't a mine field anymore unless you get it from some random guy on ebay who could have some of the original floppy releases.

I would buy a ton of em. Not sure I even care if they redesign it. The originals were fantastic. Customizing them is so fun.

MUST HAVE!!!!!!!!

Then, by the same token, we can handwave aside your entire series of complaints about the treatment of Roy's VF-1S since that it was destroyed isn't relevant

I would agree if Roy's death and the destruction of the VF-1S was a more memorable scene in DYRL. Roy's death in the TV series really stood out to me, in DYRL his death seemed rather bland compared to how good the rest of the action scenes were.

Insofar as what's iconic of the original series, you should take a look over at the Japanese Macross websites. What's used to represent the franchise these days is predominantly Hikaru's old VF-1J and the Macross, not Roy's VF-1S.

I'm aware of this yet I always wondered why he skips over it in DYRL. We see VF-1Js in DYRL but I don't think he ever pilots one.

Usually, in my experience, the "Roy's VF-1S is special/iconic" assertion tends to most frequently be made by fans who were introduced to Macross via Robotech, wherein Roy's VF-1S was a super-special, elite, fairy-dust farting one-of-a-kind mechanical wonder. In Macross, it simply isn't that allfired special, nor was the mook flying it.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't start with Robotech but I also saw Zero before DYRL so that probably has a lot to do with it.

Ozma Lee is probably the most superficial character homage in Macross Frontier... the resemblance to Roy is truly only skin deep. He never really becomes a mentor figure to Alto in the way that Roy was to Hikaru, and he was rather a lot less boisterous than Roy was on account of the arbitrary tragedy tacked onto his backstory in an effort to make him more interesting. Yes, he wears black and yellow, yes he's "Skull Leader", and yes he has an near-death incident with pineapple at its center, but he's no lift of Roy Focker.

Fair enough, I can't argue with that.

Uh-huh... you mean the iconic VF-1J that Hikaru goes through about three of in the course of the original Macross series? For that matter, there's also the Macross fortress getting severely damaged at the end of the original series and outright destroyed at the end of Macross II...

The fact that they were destroyed is not the point. Those are the mecha that are typically used to represent the franchise as a whole.

Fact of the matter is that there was nothing distinctive about Roy's VF-1S apart from the role of its pilot in the story. In practical terms it was completely and utterly interchangeable with every other VF-1S produced. Making it into some super-important icon of the story is more a Robotech-ism than anything else, since it was a special unit in that context. Also, not all VF-1S lifts/homages have been Skull Leader homages... like the VF-2SS, VF-19S, etc. (If anything, the former was a Max/Hikaru VF-1S homage).

I mean iconic as in for the franchise in its entirety, when people think "Macross" the first mechs they see are typically either the Macross itself or Roy's VF-1S. Just like how the RX-78 is the most iconic mecha for the Gundam franchise or how G1 Optimus Prime is the most iconic character for Transformers, Roy's VF-1S is iconic for Macross. I never meant to imply that Roy's VF-1S was critical to the original story.

Also regarding Frontier, that entire unit was constructed as a homage to the original Skull Squadron down to the pilots for each respective valk. While Alto and Michael have enough differences from Hikaru and Max to set them apart as different characters, Ozma hardly deviates from Roy at all.

Ooookay... I'm not seeing how ignoring severe torso wounds so you can traumatize your girlfriend by dying in her kitchen while she's making dinner is manly or sensible. Anyone with their head screwed on straight would've gone straight to the medic after being wounded like that. Letting Roy go out with some dignity, sacrificing himself to take down Quamzin and give Hikaru and Misa a chance to escape, makes a lot more sense.

Well of course it doesn't make sense when you look at it that way. Rather than have Roy go out like another cliche ace pilot, I appreciate the fact that they gave him the luxury of dying around a loved one. Think about it, if you ask a dying soldier where he would want to be what do you think his response would be? Do you think he would want to go out with a big bang or see a loved one first?

Since it's piloted by the same guy as the iconic VF-1S you're so hung up on, I don't think the VF-0S really counts as a homage...

Considering that there was no reason for the VF-0S to resemble the VF-1S as closely as it did, I'd count it as a homage.

I never saw it that way. Actually, i felt that the series death was more bad-ass. Either he knew he was going to die already, so he'd rather spend that time keeping his promise to claudia (as any man should), OR he was sure that he could handle that "flesh wound" like the tough guy he is and eat pineapple salad with his lady. Either way, I never got the impression that he had no more will to live.

Thank you, finally someone else sees it.