Robelwell202

I'll take a 1, an 8, and a 9 to go, please.

Im perfectly healthy and sane I just hate the human species and would glad to be your future militaristic leader and the way im raising up it wont be long. Imagine a world were no ONE fights because dumb stupidities. Where everyone gets along no matter what region you were manufactured, or the color of your epidermis, and beliefs on how you came to this primitive nothing special mud ball we call earth.

Yeah... sure. If you say so...

Music is okay, but love is stupid waste of brain power and time. Plus it doesn't exist it's just a name for a electrochemical signal created in a primitive brain. Also while im talking about humans Parents of a offspring care about their off spring for two reason in this modern society 1. they Law, 2. instincts telling them to take care of them. Though some people lack this so they abandon their offspring or they are not developed enough to support one.

There's just something about humans that make me sick to my organic material processing organ"stomach". Could it be their existence or how they argue over little things and can't shut up at least for 1 decade and get along. Because of their distrust in people manufactured in different regions or the color of their epidermis.

All in all even though the homo species has been around for at least or more then 200,000 years I believe that's long enough.

Toss out this old design and throw in a new one.

WHAT?!?!

Uh, dude, it's time to go back to the hospital, now. You've gone without your meds long enough...

I hate to be a nay-sayer, here, since I'm very much a fan of the Tomahawk, but the model shows has one major glitch to it that kills the joy for me. The head-mount MGs don't appear to traverse to a completely horizontal position, which makes it look kinda goofy, if you ask me.

I mean, the Yamato 1/60s don't have a complete traverse, either, but the get most of the way down. With these, thye look to be locked in a permanent 45-degree angle.

If I'm wrong, let me know. I'd like to see pics of the figure with the guns level.

Much obliged for the hints, folks. I got what I wanted.

Thanks!

Are you right click saving them? I notice when I do that in Firefox, it wants to download the php directory. Be sure the browser is set to download, not open, Mp3s.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing. If I do a standard left-click, it immidiately opens a media player. Right-click, and 'Save target as...'

I've tried DL-ing some of these ringtones, but every time I do it, they're all called the same thing... 'Index.MP3'. Needless to say, this is a bit confusing, and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong, or if I need to change something in my browser.

Second, Is there a second version of the trumpet fanfare that's heard in several of the (I'm assuming) commercial breaks? The one on the first page has a little bit of a glitch towards the end.

Thanks, folks.

Now... that's just...

Well, words fail me right now.

How can I recycle the same words that have been used over and over?

"good", "Excellent", "Amazing"... all of these fall short for this kind of first effort.

Well, I am still very, very impressed with these pics.

How about this?

I'll be foaming at the mouth like junkie 'til I see more!!!

Very nice!

Maybe i wasn't clear, RT is sticking to much to characters and the story from the 'original' 85. While I agree that MacF was in general terms a homage to the original series, they are still adding new main characters and places. You can't really say that Isamu, Basara, Shin or even Alto for that matter were really that similar to other Macross characters.

Sticking to the likes of Rick Hunter, Scott Barnard and co are what is limiting the RT franchise. If HG would quickly finish off the story of the 'original' characters and move on to a new time, i think they could have more success with getting new fans.

And I am in complete agreement with you, sir.

One of my biggest gripes about RT:TSC was thier use of the Alpha and Beta fighters. Calling them 'Shadow' fighters was just a cop-out, what with the ripple screen-saver effect overlay. Add to that, the other big gripe I had was this: To continue the story in RT:TSC, they had to open up where the last peisode of the original 85 ended, and that made my head hurt. Why not start somewhere else?

Forgive my sarcasm earlier. It was meant in jest.

So what happens to them when the people who are just around for just nostalgia sake all get bored or frustrated and leave? In today's entertainment market, you can't snatch many new fans based on a 25 year old show (especially one with as low quality as RT) If they want to succeed, they new a brand new story without the old characters and story. That's why Macross is such a success, it doesn't get boring with the same old characters doing the same old stuff in the same old place.

Comparrison: SDF-Macross to Macross Frontier

A young pilot, inexperienced in combat, becomes the hero

Transforming planes that turn into giant robots

An arm gets shot off, that conveniently has the heroine in the palm of her hand

An extraterrestrial race that threatens to exterminate humanity

Singing as a way to defeat the extraterrestrial race

Living happily ever after in the shadow of the giant ship that serves as the platform for saving humanity

Two women pining away for the heart of the same guy (The aformentioned young hero pilot)

NAHHH!!!! There's nothing common in this!

(Okay, all sarcasm aside)

My point is this: Macross is successful because it has a basic formula that it follows. Sure, change the mecha, and the dynamics of some of the interpersoanl relationships inside the stroy, but the basic elements are there, and that's what makes it enjoyable to the people who follow it.

HG, on the other hand, is trying, too deperately, to keep certain (blatant) elements inside thier story, while pandering with new and greviously designed characters that are as flat as the paper they were drawn on.

HG is simply trying too hard to fake people out into believing that there's more attention being given to Robotech than there really is. They're taking a legacy animated series that had a limited amount of success, and trying to build on that success long after the life has bled out of it.

Truth be told, they simply need to leave it alone, and stop trying. The pathetic attempts of thier lackeys to perpetuate the transparent propoganda is only making thier task worse, and making them into the laughingstocks of the entire anime world.

It might be interchangeable maybe, with some adjustments it could work with either Robotech or Macross. Plus, you can upgrade the Destroids to Cheyenne Mk IIs and a mobile Monster.

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossf/destroid-cheyenneii.htm

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossf/destroid-work.htm

http://www.new-un-spacy.com/macrossga/vb-6-konig.htm

If I ever become completely ostricised by the RT fandom (A distinct possibility, as it's becoming more and more polarized), I may go ahead and swap the story around, and make it a UN-Spacy version instead of RT. The reason I'm using the RT story-line world is because I'm more familiar with it. I don't have any kind of subbed version of the original SDF-Mac. Now, assuming I could get a set of those, it'd be a different story. With how I see things at HG, though, I refuse to pander to them and get a DVD version. (HINT HINT: Anyone know where a good version miight be? BTW: I'm dealing with torrential rain today!)

As for changing the mecha up, I wouldn't do it. My personal favorite mecha of the Macross line-up is the original Tomahawk, and it would stay. That's the reason I wrote the story in the first place.

After several years of trying to find a Robotech fan capable of forming a cogent argument for why anyone should watch Robtoech and meeting with a 100% failure rate, we've got more than enough information to conclude that this grand experiment is a fool's errand. It's not without reason that we've been unable to find a compelling reason to watch Robotech... we've been looking for something that doesn't exist. For something like two decades now, the only things keeping Robotech afloat as a franchise have been the nostalgia and gullibility of a few people who just don't want to let go of a few fond childhood memories.

When you examine the answers we've received to our inquiries so far, it's all variations on the same couple of themes: nostalgia; ignorance; an irrational hatred of subtitles that more often than not seems to stem from borderline illiteracy; and a seething, unfocused hatred of Macross motivated by the fear that if they watch Macross and end up liking it that they'll somehow be tainting their rosy childhood memories of Robotech.

ACK!!!

What catagory do I fall under, then?

I mean, I write a story that's loosely realted to the show, and now I'm totally confused.

Interesting... I hope that they do better than the cruddy remake of 'The Day The Earth Stood Still'.

Well...I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but that would explain the odd, habitual spelling mistakes ("lesson" instead of "listen," that sort of thing). It also explains why he's doing this in the first place...when I first heard about his "Sources" podcast, I thought, "why doesn't he just upload PDFs or Lit versions of the novels? Why go through all the trouble of creating an audio version?

I mean, someone is going to have to have an exceptionally long commute to work in order to listen to... (what is it, 21? 23?) a lot of Robotech novels.

I have to say, when he and Memo converse with each other on the forums, a lot of times I simply give up trying to figure out what they're saying.

By the way, Robelwell202, I caught your interview on Protoculture Times and really enjoyed it. And Ray Bradbury IS awesome, isn't he? I got to see him speak (and got a lot of signed books) quite a few times as a kid, and he's as enthralling a speaker as he is a writer.

Gubaba, I'm grateful for the kind words, sir. And, yes, Bradburry is immense. My personal favorite if his is 'I Sing the Body Electric'. That's the one I grew up reading over and over again.

If anyone else wants to hear excerpts from the Robotech novels, dougbendo is posting individual chapters on one of his shows. But he's not reading it, I think Microsoft Narrator is.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkC...amp;pageSize=15

The reason is simple. Doug Bendo is functionally illiterate, so he needs a surrogate program to read the stuff he puts up, otherwise his new show would be laughed out of existance (More than it already is).

He did the same thing to me during the 'Robotech Fan' episode that was supposed to 'Bring the Fandom Together'. He used a quote from the blog on my site out of context, and used that 'narrator' program to recite it, since it had more than a few multi-sylable words in it.

If I recall correctly, he had originally thought of having his girlfriend read the selcted texts for the show, but apparently, that fell through as well.

I'll let the show speak for itself.

Yeah, that's a very fair assessment. However, if that were to ever happen, I wonder how much western influence would affect Macross future installments? Right now, while we do complain about blockades and whatnot, how different, if at all, do you think Macross would've been if it was strongly linked to the west? I think the double edged sword of having Macross exclusive for Japan, is that it isn't influenced by the west, and keeps it where we like it. The bad side, obviously, is that DVDs are coded differently (work around), no subs (is usually worked around and can be done by the R.2 distributor), and the prices of merchandise and the media is more expensive (yeah, we have to save a bit more).

You know what? I sincerely doubt that there would be a western influence.

It's obvious that there's a large fan-base for Macross stuff. The creators would be downright foolhardy not to know this. Still, there's no real western influnce, save for the occasional F-14 Tomcat (Zero).

I think Macross would stay the same, to be honest. These guys aren't dumb.

And Macross II and Plus have been on DVD since...what, 2000? 2001? And they're crappy DVDs. And yet, they manage to do about as well or a little better than SC. Funny, that.

Something tells me that if Frontier (or hell, even Zero) were released over here, they'd be doing the best.

That's a no-brainer... If one were to, say, put TSC on a screen nexxt to a presentation of Frontier, and conducted 'The Pepsi Challenge', I think there would be an overwhelming response to Frontier, resulting in an eventual surge in Macross appreciation, and sounding the death nell for RT.

Of course, our dear friend Kevvie would have some strange spin on the data. Something about "Well, we believe that the test was tainted. If the test were done in a truly scientific matter, they'd've presented another animated program that sucked just as badly as RT:TSC."

Now, we have the obvious question: "What sucked as badly as TSC?"

That's a question I simply cannot answer... Anyone else wanna try?

according to a post by memo on RTX TSC did sooooo well it's the reason WB wants to turn Robotech into their next cash cow franchise!

Of course anyone with a brain knows well enough that the only reason WB wants Robotech is because of the success of Transformers. Funny though, that's the same arguement that PTH used and when I told him the truth he got all butthurt and started attacking me. Why are these fans so stupid?

The answer is simple. It's easier to be stupid and reactionary, buying any scrap of propoganda that comes your way, than to take the effort to do research and learn something for yourself.

I mean, look at churches, for cryin' out loud!

You mean this one?

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...mp;#entry768822

Gubaba, I appreciate it. Thnks for the find!

Ohhh!!! I just remembered...

I remember somoene posting a comic about Kevin McKeever on one of these thread a while ago, but I can't find them, now. I'd like to share the link witha fried, so that he may get the same amount of LULZ that I did.

Does anyone know who the original poster was for those comics, or thier location?

Thanks!

The entire American Anime market is still a pathetically small group of people, most likely there are the same number of people that prefer to see Das Boot in German with subtitles as well. (If the market were larger then the Japanese companies making Anime would put more effort into wringing some profit out of us)

I'll hazard a guess that the two primary reasons we prefer Subs to Dubs are.

1 - English VAs are not as good as the Japanese VAs (not even close in many cases)

2 - Dubbed shows often got chopped into kiddified versions stripped of their essence. (Clash of the Bionoids anyone?)

Well, I'm an American, and I watch subtitles.

While I'm not a HUGE fan of foreign films, I have found several out there that are exceptional, and yes, I watch them in thier original dialogue with subs.

Cases in point:

Amelie, Wasabi, Das Boot, Ran (Well, all of Kurisawa's works, actually), and some others that escape me right now.

The reason I watch them in thier original dialogue is simple: The first time I saw 'Das Boot', I saw it with the english dubbed in, and I found it completely attrocious. When I got a copy on DVD, I tried it with the original German dialogue, and it sounded SOOOOO much better, and made more sense, besides. After that, I was hooked.

Wow, Happy. You are quite the popular girl.

Seriously, what is smoking? Must be good, if he feels it's making him present valid logical thoughts about this here HG/Gubaba/Happy/MEMO/"whatever kookieness he has left" conspiracy theories.

She has to be smoking something pretty powerful to have an affair with me... There hasn't been a volunteer for that in many years. XD

Uhh.. which episode was this in?

Of course, trying to view Shadow Chronicles as a Mospeada sequel makes it look EVEN WORSE than it already does, plus is contradicts Love, Live, Alive...so...what's left? Why, unless someone really, really liked Shadow Chronicles, would anyone support HG anymore?

Well, For me, HG has dropped the ball. I never really expected anything more from the 'Robotech' franchise to begin with, and since 'RT:TSC' failed so miserably, it's become clear that Robotech should have always been relegated to one of those legacy animated series from the '80s, full of nostalgic recall for those of us who have a fond rememberamce for it.

In regards to anything new, I've done the next best thing and made my own!

Something that was mentioned above, in a previous post, was the idea that fan-created projects have been operating with a new=found momentum. I attribute a huge chunk of this momentum to the fact that the RT.com Mods have been banning anyone with a modicum of intelligence, and these fans have been forced to find other outlest to express thier enjoyment of the series. Most of the people I know in this catagory love the original series, but they cannot stand anything that's been done in recent memory (Prelude, TSC, et al).

Quite simply put, since we cannot stand the crap HG produces, we do our own stuff, and do it better.

VFTF1, Let me throw a counter-point to you...

In the grand scheme of things, MEMO and Mav have perpetuated a series of bannings that can be attributed to one thing: They banned people who disagreed with thier view. More to the point, they disagreed with anyone who doubted the absolute authority of Harmony Gold to do whatever it wanted with materials taht were clearly the property of Macross designers.

In other words, the view that 'Harmony Gold can do nothing wrong, Harmony Gold did an excellent job with The Shadow Chronicles, and Harmony Gold is run by a bunch og geniuses!' is thier guiding principle. Civil discourse and open debate about these points has been all but extinguished by these two moderators, and anyone who dares to stand up and call them out is also deemed a pariah. Take my case, for example.

SetoKaiba simply put forward the facts concerning the whole debate, and porved beyond a shadoe of a doubt that Harmony GOld did NOT, in fact, have the capability of using Macross desogns in future productions. Now, the bulk of the debate was heated, but it remained civil, at least as far as SetoKaiba was concerned. Sure, he threw a few colorful phrases in the mix to explain his utter bafflement over some people's utter stupidity and reluctance to accept the truth, but for the most part, he was civil, thorough, and direct. For that, he was banned by Mav, who now claims to have recieved multiple complaints about Seto's 'conduct'... A claim that is dubious, at best.

MEMO has continued this trend by banning Waters7, for fruthering Seto's case-study. Again, Waters7 was cool, calm, and civil. MEMO, however, felt the need to ban him, for the same eason as Mav did with Seto: Simply put, the evidence that Waters7 cited flew in the face of the 'truth' that MEMO has concocted and accepted as gospel. For him, as has been shown repeatedly, anyone that disagrees with his view of Harmony Gold recieves a swift smack from the banhammer.

Now, you get to me. Seeing what had happened with Seto, Waters7, and HappyPenguins (Who'd also gotten the Banhammer wrath for a ridiculous, minor incident) had moved me to a decision that I was through with RT.com. I decided to voice my utter contempt for the behavior of Mav and MEMO. I did so in a calm, clear manner, with absolutely no malice indicated in my post. Fruthermore, I had said that I was through with the site, and I didn't care if I was banned or not.

Initially, Mav had deleted the post, and presented me with a lame lie about others complaining about Seto's 'Rude and condescending' manner. Then, MEMO decides to ban me, but not before chiding me like a child, and referencing the remark I'd made comapring HG's public relations practices to those perpetuated by Communist Russia. Ultimately, my proposed 'pennance' is to 'cool off' for a month, and appologize to MEMO and Mav, something I have no desire to do.

Given the above examples, one can see clearly that any kind of 'political dissidents' among the fanbase present on RT.com are simply made to dissapear. Call me odd, but that does strike a rather interesting parallel to practices used by the USSR.