Robelwell202

Reputable sources, um yeah i think he meant USD as everything is dealt in USD these days.

if people want to split up payments and group buy i'll be in. Just about everything in the pack i want (except for ranka stuff)

The only thing I want is the Sheryl figure. And, as of right now, I don't have the requisite amount of $$ to opt for it. Unfortuante.

full package? around 900 without the shipping... (that's like doubles/triples of whats packed in the lot)

You're telling me that it'll be around 900 dollars? American?

If that's the case, I better wait, and hope somoene has a double of the Wicked Bunny.

Any idea how much the set will be, once it's released?

Something i am wondering about. Does Toynami have exclusive rights when it comes to RT toys? I ask because if so and the LAM comes out, will Toynami be the ones making the toys for it?

It would seem that that is, indeed, the case... They've been putting out RT stuff for quite some time... at least ten years.

I heard that movie was a train wreck that true X-Men fans despised. (I saw the first two movies; the first one was pretty good, but they totally screwed up Kurt Wagner in the second one).

Oh, it was... A painful train wreck at that.

My only hope is, that when I get the chance to see the new Wolverine flick, it's at least a bit better. X3 was truly HORRIBLE!!!

Damn! That's... FOUL! I think 'fugly' falls drastically short, in regards to this version!

UGH!

I'll take the TV version, thanks.

Is there more? We'd like more! And when I say 'we', I mean me, with the strong possibility that others might, as well

Those are some damn fine pictures you found. Love the 3 songstress with their matching mecha flying overhead.

And while I watched M7 I never though that Mylene was fine, but in the last picture....Pure jailbait!!

I thought it was Ishtar, at first...

Is there a possibility of a 'Sheryl Guard' version of the VF-25, like the 'Minmay Guard' VF-1s?

I know...but the point was that they never USED the word "Zentraedi" anywhere in the script. Ever wonder why...?

Not at all. HG was forced to avoid any mention of Macross IP stuff, and the word 'Zentradi' falls neatly into that catagory.

So, um, anyway...How was everyone's day?

not too shabby, really...

Yesterday, I got a called for an interview for a REAL job, so, in a couple months, I might be in a position to start ordering the VF toys I want. Today, I just rode that 'Happy-high' for all I could.

How was yours?

After viewing Macross, the flaws in Robotech's "Macross Saga" are evident, but it does not diminish my enjoyment of either series. Rather, I find that I have more of an appreciation for Carl Macek's efforts to expose American audiences to something that he thought was special. Is it seamless? Absolutely not! Was it handled well afterwards? Certainly not. Was it a hell of a lot of fun to watch as a kid? Yes. I still watch anime, and I enjoy it quite a bit. My tastes have changed over the years, however, and I tend to watch Robotech less and less. That doesn't mean that I won't get a kick out of watching it again someday (it is a fun series, if nothing else). For me, Robotech is like an old pair of sneakers - comfortable and snug. Sure, the tread is wearing a bit thin, but you KNOW those sneakers (and they look great with a pair of shorts). Macross, for me anyway, is like the new pair of shoes. They fit they way they are supposed to, you know? There's more tread and a little more bounce in my step. When it comes time to play on the turf or go for a run, these are my go-to shoes. Both pairs of shoes serve a purpose, though, and I'm not ready to replace either pair. Not yet.

Yep. Shoes... You have my apologies for a weak analogy, at best.

Damn, I couldn't said it better myself! That fits me to a tee!

While I look at the actual series called 'Robotech' with the same attitude as Rossi, it's the various factions of fandom that disturb and disgust me. It's just amazing to see the absolute venom and hostility that's thrown around, and the absolute blind assertions held be certain people (MEMO and Doug come to mind right away).

Personally, I've had it up to (the proverbial) here, to say the least.

This is, at beast, a legacy 80s cartoon series, and the people that own and manage that series are buffoons, at best. Anything that has come out after the original 85 has been met with mixed results, at best, and at worst has been a sstupendous failure.

No, my issues are not with the show, itself. They're with the screwed-up fans, and Harmony Gold.

Why does this Doug Bendo generate so much emotion? I can't find any way to say it without being rude, but in his post he doesn't come across as a stable or sane individual, so why take his words seriously?

Again, I can only answer for myself.

I hate wilfull ignorance.

For myself, I've grown up under the idea that there's no such thing as a dumb question, and to that end, I've asked many, many questions of people that know the stuff I want to find out. Seto, for one, has been extraordinarilly helpful in that arena, and there have been others, as well.

Doug, though, lets his ego control him, and also, he does not take the time to look into things that might bennefit him. Fruthermore, his profane ignorance of things that other people clearly know only serves as a launching point for his ridiculous tirades and smear campaigns. I cannot abide that.

I guess I'm a flawed individual myself, in that I cannot just blow his rants off as the ravings of an inadequate, undereducated mind, but that they're things that enrage and disgust me. Add to that, I am loyal to my friends, and in the most recent set of attacks, he's targeted a good friend of mine, JT. I don't like it.

I wish there was more that I could add, but... this is pretty much it, as far as I'm concerned.

If you actually stop and listen to Doug's podcast on the subject, which is a lot like me asking you to buff your eardrums with 20 grit sandpaper, you'll find several interesting and pertinent facts. Namely, Doug Bendo has never actually seen Macross Frontier in any form other than raw, unsubtitled video, and he doesn't understand Japanese. Yet Doug is openly professing that despite having no way to understand the dialogue of the show, that he was able to discern each and every detail of the story simply by watching the animation. Now, anybody with a functioning brain can tell that's a load of bull, and it explains an awful lot about why Doug talks the way he does about Macross Frontier. I'd also gathered from some things he's said about his dad home-censoring movies like Akira for him, that he leads or at least led, a very sheltered lifestyle. Ultimately, if you review the whole origin of the topic, you find that it came about because I was criticizing the blatant and pointless sexual objectification of all the female protagonists in Robotech: the Shadow Chronicles, and Viper was using AMVs to illustrate the disparity in animation quality between that and the Macross Frontier to demonstrate just what an Amateur Hour production Shadow Chronicles really is.

He got onto this "Macross Frontier is CP" tack for one reason and one reason only... to defend a movie he professes to hate because someone said a Macross show is better. That's all there is to this.

And what's even more ridiculous...

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...mp;#entry812449

Here he is, complimenting a fan's Macross Zero project, and he's been on record with a violent hatred of anything with the Macross Label attached to it!

Then again, I know exactly why he's being so gregarious about this project. Doug cannot read the subtitles for the actual series, so anything that makes it easier for him, he's all for it.

See, since he can't put the subtitles for Mac0, or any other Macross titles, into MS-Sam, he hates it. So, when English dubs come out, all of a sudden, he's happy!

Disgusting!

I saw your dub last night of both. I'm really interested as to seeing the ending to both of your projects. While I don't think you can treat them both as on in the same. The macross frontier is bu far the better one at this point. To be perfectly honest I think you got the dubbing down for most of the people better then I've seen the past couple new gundam releases and I say it over all is right up there with macross 2 lovers again.

As for macross zero I really doing the problem is what you have been trying to do from voice acting as it is some much from the fact that macross zero has really frat wording all over the place. Macross Zero may need be reword so that it better fits with the animation dub. I also say that from an ethnicity stand point. When they created macross zero they put every creed and color they could in the show and gave everyone the same flat lines. I think macross zero could come out much better then the Japanese one dub if you fix the words that were written that come out of every ones mouth.

But like i said your died on with macross ft and I will be looking foward to the next episode.

This coming form a guy that violently hates everything with the 'Macross' label attached to it...

I would be VERY cautious when regarding anything DougBendo writes, folks. He's not the most honest, or gracious, person on the web.

The series opening - where she flutters in a beam of flashy light through a triangle into space or something.

I guess that's the part Doug defines as pornography.

Uh, sorry Pete... You're wrong, again.

Bendo's referencing the final episode of Frontier, where Ranka appears with Sheryl in the mind-link with Alto. There's roughly 2 whole seconds of her in sprirt form, where Doug claims she's out in space, naked, for all to see, during an 'intergalactic space battle'.

Insofar as her age is concerned, 16 is the age of concent in Japan, and since Frotnier's not able to be distributed in the US, the US standards of descency do not apply.

Needless to say, any self-respecting intellectually-developed person could see, right off, that the footage in question is in no way exploitive, sexually or otherwise. Gubaba made a point that she could even be in a unitard, for all that it's worth.

Bendo is simply putting up this idiotic argument to have some kind of platform for bashing Macross, as well as tryiong to recover something from a previous argument (That being the one where I showed space combat footage from both Frontier and RT:TSC, and he got butthurt over it).

Pete, check your facts before speaking for someone else, huh?

Doug said that the Robotech Masters could beat anyone, and challenged Seto and Viper (aka Robelwell202) to have a match-up, Masters vs. U.N. Spacy - any era. Seto and Viper pulled out stats from Macros Chronicle and other places, and gauged the Master's power based on the RT.com infopedia. Doug used screenshots and dialogue to show things like the Masters blowing stuff up, and Chlore's group ripping into the Macross 7 fleet.

(I suggested that Basara just sing at the Masters, and it would all be over in a matter of minutes.)

Anyway, it pretty much devolved into name-calling, and mutual cries of "You haven't proved ANYTHING!" and kind of fell apart.

And then Doug claimed victory, because (he said) Seto and Viper realized they couldn't win.

Which is kinda true...but only because neither side could agree on what the respective fleets' capabilities actually were.

I can only speak for myself, here. Seto may agree with me, or he may have his wn reasons.

I withdrew from the 'RT-Masters/UN-Spacy' debate for a number of reasons, and none of them were ever intended to admit defeat.

First, in the debate, it was a cross-continuity question, and most of us here will agree that those can get rather sticky. It would be like asking "Could a fleet of USS Enterprises beat a fleet of Millenium Flacons?" It would make for some intriguing answers, but in the long run, there would be a lot of heated emotion thrown in for the simple fact that fans have thier loyalties and references. Either way, I tried to engage the debate as best I could.

Now, during the course of this debate, I took a histrorical reference tack, stating that the UN-Spacy would win, even if the initial trikes proved ineffective, and the war was brought down to the level of basic attrition. Simply put, the UN-Spacy has more to throw into a fight than the masters did.

Here's where Doug started to go over the deep end. Between myself and Seto, we provided some very good arguments (Albeit a bit subjective on my part) for our side of the story, but Doug wouldn't accept that. That's when the idiotic, inconclusive screen-caps, as well as the ugly language and ad-hominum attacks began.

Now, I did try to engage the debate fruther, but it was pointless. Doug cannot debate, since his opinions and ego prevent acceptance of another person's argument, nor can he even accept that someone may know more than he does (A distinct and easy possibility, since he's a certified idiot and an illitarate one at that.).

On my end, there was never any declaration of defeat or surrender (Terms I find ludicrous, since it was a simple debate about anime), but Doug cannot let himself believe otherwise, since his ego and insanity DEMAND that he be victorious over some vanquished foe.

I got my 2 boxes of set 2 and I'm still shy 3 for a complete set:

YF-21

VF-25 Tornado pack

VF-1A Angel Birds

If anyone wants to sell any of these please let me know

Thanks!

You wouldn't, by any chance, have spares of the following you'd be willing to part with, by chance?

VF-25

VF-2SS

(if they are, in fact, in the set)

So long as we have MEMO as a captive audience, I have a question for him.

Hey MEMO, since you came out and endorsed Doug Bendo's podcast a while back, does this mean you support his position of "DEATH TO MACROSS PURISTS"? I'm also curious to know where you stand on his accusations that all Macross Frontier fans are pedophiles and child pornographers. You were actively endorsing him on RobotechX, so that means you're supporting his views, right? You MUST support it, since you've allowed belligerent users on Robotech.com to keep "DEATH TO MACROSS PURISTS" in their signatures. So tell us MEMO, do you support this?

Inquiring minds want to know.

You really expect an answer? MEMO's just gonna blow it off, like all the otehr times he's been called out on it. He acts with impunity, and no one's going to change it.

If MEMO had an ounce of guts, he'd answer, but he doesn't, so don't hold your breath.

What I mean by 'alter' might be something of a 'wrong word' situation. I guess what I mean is, HG cannot use the Macross IP elements in stuff that they do themselves (RT:TSC, RT:SR, etc.)

I hope this makes it a bit clearer.

Remember, I am one of the resident idiots of the board, so be easy...

Okay... let me see if I can distill this down to an idiot's perspective...

With me being the idiot...

HG owns the footage rights to SDF:Mac, in partnership with Tatsunoku.

BW/SN own the characters, mecha, and other IP stuff that was used to make Macross.

So, because HG and TATSU DO NOT own the IP stuff, HG cannot legally use Macross Elements except in distribution of the original animated series.

No alteration of them, no useage of them outside of SDF:Macross and RT:Macross Saga. Am I getting this right, so far?

Now... FASA comes along, and leases the rights to certain Macross designs, but HG pulls the plug, so no more 'Warhammer'.

HG's got the MERCHANDISING rights to the stuff inside SDF:Macross, but they still cannot alter or use them in thier own productions.

Does that fit?

Please help.. I feel awfully confused.

SETO

MY POINT WHY I SKIP POST LIKE THESE AND READ ON WITH OTHERS.

So, like your patron, Bendo, you're either too lazy or ignorant to read these posts that Seto puts up? Because they're too long?

Okay... this gives a whole new dimension to your attitude and behavior of late, and this new dimention's quite unsettling.

If I read this correctly, you have just admitted that you don't read Seto's remarks because his posts are too long. Never mind that you're supposed to be a moderator at RT.com and RTX.com, and one of your responsibilities is to examine, fully, the content of each post. But no... MEMO, for whatever reason, hasn't bothered reading the bulk of Seto's posts, and doesn't know the content of them. Thenn how could he be qualified to pass a judgement on Seto?

I'll tell you... His buddy Bendo told him to.

Bendo: "Seto's being mean to me! WAH WAH!!! He's not nice like you are! WAHHHH WAHHHH Ban his ass! WAHHHHHH"

And, MEMO does his bidding.

If you doubt me, take a listen to Bendo's last podcast episode. It's filled with JT-hate and Seto-hate, and all the latest bannings at RTX came a day later.

Alto wasn't Emo...

During ep3 (On your marks), after Sheryl's 'wardrobe malfunction' in the shelter-pod, he laughed right along with Sheryl when Ranka offered them her snack (I forget exactly what they were, but you get the point.)

Also, during the first episodes, he's offering Ranka solid advise about performing on-stage, and from what little I know about Emos, they'd be more likely to offer you a spare razor blade than offer tha kind of advise.

To me, Alto just seemed determined to live doen the 'Princess' reputation he'd acquired, since he was trying to get as far away from 'Acting Clan Saotome'. Add to that, he seemed rather annoyed as being the automatic toy-object of a stellar diva.

Nah... he's all right for a guy. Personally, I'd've taken Sheryl up on everything she wanted, but... that's just me.

I wouldn't be too hard on Memo.

Well, if you won't, then I will.

He openly endorses Bendo's rhetoric, and compared JT's podcast to Bendo's, citing a coming 'Podcast War' that's probably not ever going to happen.

He perma-banned Seto, and promised to re-instate Bendo when Bendo threw much uglier and disgusting crap out in the RTX forums, and who also becaome openly hostile when others put up arguments that went against his own opinion-based ones.

Add to this, he's abused his power on RT.com, and banned people who've done nothing more than present logical debates and fact-based, document-backed arguments against what his opinion deems is thruth.

And his latest line of thought is to try and weasel RT's lame excuse for itself into the realm of MW, so that he can be seens as someone who's attempted to bridge the gap between the two fandoms. Believe me, folks, he has no altruistic reason behind his methods.

No, I've got no use for Captain Caps-Lock.

EDIT: This post will probably get me banned on RTX, but I really don't give a damn.

Okay, I figure it might be nice to add something about the guy who built the thing.

This model is being built by Iceblue106, and he is a member on MW.

He's the guy to direct questions to.