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5 hours ago, Mazinger said:

Now I'm hoping this movie actually embraces music from the Carribean and takes it up a couple of notches.  Give us some new tunes.

Just as long as it isn't Pitbull's take on Toto, I'd be fine with it.

Also, didn't we already get a live action growns-up Arial in Aquaman? 

 

I mean, her look WAS everything I've ever wanted in life. :wub:

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You gave exhibit b a good chuckle lol.

I agree too, the idea of changing gender and ethnicity just for the sake of changing it from white to (insert ethnicity here) is ridiculous.  For example if you want to make a comedy of same gender individuals having a wedding themed adventure where hilarity ensues do you A. remake The Hangover but with all women calling it Hangover or do you B. Make a similar movie called Bridesmaids with all women in it?  If you want to make an animated movie about an African American mermaid so those of African american identity can feel included then awesome, do so.  Make a new movie about an AA mermaid. The choice to remake a classic and give it same name but take the main character from white to AA is not about inclusion  it’s about taking an established white character and making her AA for the sake of appearing more liberal and hip cool and “with it”   It’s not necessary to reverse whitewash just to make non whites feel included is what I’m saying.  Prove me wrong Brother by all means. 

 

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This talk of Disney erasing gingers just brings to mind that wonderful faux protest sign "Stop Killing Gingers to make Ginger Ale".

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Could we actually wonder if it will be a good movie or not..?

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40 minutes ago, SuperDimensionalDave said:

You gave exhibit b a good chuckle lol.

I agree too, the idea of changing gender and ethnicity just for the sake of changing it from white to (insert ethnicity here) is ridiculous.  For example if you want to make a comedy of same gender individuals having a wedding themed adventure where hilarity ensues do you A. remake The Hangover but with all women calling it Hangover or do you B. Make a similar movie called Bridesmaids with all women in it?  If you want to make an animated movie about an African American mermaid so those of African american identity can feel included then awesome, do so.  Make a new movie about an AA mermaid. The choice to remake a classic and give it same name but take the main character from white to AA is not about inclusion  it’s about taking an established white character and making her AA for the sake of appearing more liberal and hip cool and “with it”   It’s not necessary to reverse whitewash just to make non whites feel included is what I’m saying.  Prove me wrong Brother by all means. 

 

 

So your argument centers around "they took our jobs"? 

And we certainly do not agree, in fact I couldn't disagree more with your entire premise because it's based on the idea that having traditionally under-represented groups, represented more, as inherently bad. I'm sure you hated when Thor was written as a woman, or Sam Wilson became Captain America (in the comics and/or MCU) or Riri Williams as an Iron Man figure.

Look, this is a Disney movie that is  loosely based on, or inspired by previous works. This has been touched on by others more knowledgeable about the history of this particular title. 

It is not a biopic about a real life/historical figure which is what you compared it to. And then you used probably the worst example you could, Mel Gibson. The very same "drunk" Mel Gibson who is on tape, TWICE, making some pretty horrific comments towards women, those of different religions and of course referring to folks of my background a "pack of _______". And you suggest that he make and then star as a civil rights figure? Please.

And tell me about the real-life, historical figure, Ariel, the Little Mermaid and how Halle Bailey's casting goes against this historical figure. I'll wait.

All of that said, this should NOT be an us vs. them, it's about including people more. Especially those that historically, have not been included or represented.  Do you really see that as a bad thing? If "yes" then you and I will never see eye-to-eye and it's better to just agree to disagree. If that makes me liberal, or hip (personally I see myself as progressive) then those are badges I'll wear proudly.

24 minutes ago, Thom said:

Could we actually wonder if it will be a good movie or not..?

Initially I was pretty ambivalent about this, but I really hope this movie is a critical and commercial success just to shut negative people up. And I really do apologize for my part in keeping the side conversation going.

-b.

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23 hours ago, sketchley said:

I am in no way attempting to mitigate your concerns.  Merely approaching this from a biological point of view:

People of the far north (Inuit, Eskimos, and so on) also have darker skins, because of their diet.  (Apparently it's a vitamin D rich diet from fatty fish that are naturally rich in vitamin D).

Doesn't the high level of reflected light from the snow have something to do with that too?

Snowblindness was a real problem for them and that's caused by reflected UV from snow.

 

23 hours ago, sketchley said:

Of course, if the mermaids live at the bottom of the ocean, then they should have "skin" like the Blind Congo River Spiny Eel: https://www.jungledragon.com/image/59447/the_blind_congo_river_spiny_eel_mastacembelus_brichardi_lives_in_the_turbid_waters_of_the_congo_river.html

(but I don't think anyone wants to see a movie where the heroine has skin like that! :lol: )

It wouldn't be the weirdest romance we've seen in fantasy.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, ErikElvis said:

When things are whitewashed it’s completely acceptable to bash it. So why not the other way? Just saying. I’m not trying to debate but there is a double standard with things like this. 

I don't completely disagree but I feel like the context matters more than the race.

Like, if it's a community theater production they have to make do with whoever auditions.  But in Hollywood they have a talent pool that's deep enough that doing it arbitrarily or because they're too lazy to cast a person who matches the author's intentions for the character it's wrong no matter what way it's going like casting ScarJo for Ghost in the Shell

If they're doing a reimagining of a story that changes the setting to a different location or time period it's more acceptable because the context of the story is different.  Like if Bollywood decided to do a West Side Story reimagining set in Kashmir about an Indian man and Pakistani woman or something, that would be more OK becuase the context is completely different even if the broad strokes are the same.  The Wiz is another good example since that one was set in more modern times with Dorothy being a girl from Harlem.

It's way too early to tell if they're going to make major changes to The Little Mermaid.  I'm a little worried we're looking at musical racial stereotyping in good old fashioned Disney tradition though.

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Initially I was taken aback. But they're a mythical race... why not be non- white? I kinda hope they're more alien in the water. Red hair is a must though. 

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You know what? Thread lock. We'll reopen when this later.

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