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17 minutes ago, Ridden001 said:

NY will restock the items and ship them but it can take a long time, they did it with the Kairo’s.  I can understand canceling though and trying to get it somewhere else, I’ve done that before on other sites to ensure I secure an item.

although both of my VF-1S’s shipped from NY, I know if I was one of them that had not shipped I would be thinking of doing the same.  
 

I can say that from my experience, it’s not the timing of your order but when you actually paid that seems to determine the shipping priority.  Kind of like checking in on a flight.  If I pre order and then pay as soon as I get the notice, it won’t ship as fast as if I paid at the time of the order or before the payment notification.  I’m just trying to make some sense out of the riddle that is NY.  All I can say though is that they always do deliver, they may need to fight there way through to you but they always come.

Yeah and that makes sense, but I always thought the price was high and now that it's going to take long as well it just makes sense to order it somewhere else. I ordered another yesterday for allot less and it's already shipped

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12 minutes ago, Ipsquitch said:

I may be wrong on this, but I think now's the time to grab one off Buyee. If Mandarake is selling an opened version at 23,000JPY, and from Syro's report NY is still trying to source stock, I don't see the price dropping much, if at all. Even if it does, it probably won't be more than a few thousand Yen. Not a big enough swing in price to wait around for, especially since there's just as much chance that the price could go up from here. If I already had one, and this was my extra, then waiting may be the better option - but I gotta have my 1S!

All that said, damn Play-Asia for cancelling my pre-order!

Mandarake had another one, unopened with damaged packaging (meaning little to no actual visible damage because of how they rigorously rate stuff), for ¥25,000. With average bidding prices at the same level, there's a good chance that this is as low as we're going to see it.

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6 minutes ago, Ipsquitch said:

I may be wrong on this, but I think now's the time to grab one off Buyee. If Mandarake is selling an opened version at 23,000JPY, and from Syro's report NY is still trying to source stock, I don't see the price dropping much, if at all. Even if it does, it probably won't be more than a few thousand Yen. Not a big enough swing in price to wait around for, especially since there's just as much chance that the price could go up from here. If I already had one, and this was my extra, then waiting may be the better option - but I gotta have my 1S!

All that said, damn Play-Asia for cancelling my pre-order!

There are about 100 unbid listing in Buyee, but of course am not certain if prices will go up or down. If the price of 25000yen is comfortable for you I would say go for it.

So you too got your VF-1S order cancelled from Play-Asia? I just spoke to their upper management today (they called me from Hong Kong via international call) and they are going to compensate me for their mistake as I don't accept their refund. They will work it out and let me know. I am suggesting to them that they pay the difference by buying a mark up from 3rd party sellers. Overall I have to say it's certainly professional of them to even call me up.

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21 minutes ago, Ipsquitch said:

I may be wrong on this, but I think now's the time to grab one off Buyee.

Can anyone please give a quick rundown on buyee? I've checked it out once or twice from hearing about it from Mecha Gaikotsu's videos. Would you suggest Yahoo Japan or Amazon Japan listings? Do it add $30-50 in shipping and other fees in the end? (Shipping to the US.)

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1 hour ago, Ridden001 said:

I can say that from my experience, it’s not the timing of your order but when you actually paid that seems to determine the shipping priority.

That's kinda brilliant.  :good:

Edit:  Though come to think of it, I don't think that's accurate, because I landed Max on PO night and actually paid immediately instead of choosing the pay later option.  People with markups were the first to receive their Max like a week before I got mine.  So, the logic doesn't hold.

Maybe your theory is true for those who do the markups?  Like, there's two different types of stock.  Those who land regular POs are from stock allocated from Bandai directly to NY, and those who do markups are from their network/mob who run out and grab stock from wherever they can (i.e. have grandmas stand in line at shops).  Those in the markup stock probably do go in order of payment.

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1 hour ago, Syro said:

I politely contacted NY and asked if they had the stock to cover my order and if not if they could please cancel and they said they do not have the stock and apologized and cancelled my order. This works for me as the pre-order total with shipping was $377. Also found out Tenso translates to "transfer"

That sounds painless. I am wondering if this is worth a shot or if multiple requests by people will upset them.

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2 hours ago, Ignacio Ocamica said:

Where are the pics of the 1S?

I know, right?  I'm still the only guy posting any...  :huh:

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1 hour ago, Syro said:

I politely contacted NY and asked if they had the stock to cover my order and if not if they could please cancel and they said they do not have the stock and apologized and cancelled my order. This works for me as the pre-order total with shipping was $377. Also found out Tenso translates to "transfer"

Was yours prepaid? I'm not sure I want to keep waiting around since I paid a premium and it seems like I could be getting one for a cheaper premium. My order number is lower than at least one that I've seen reported as shipped on here. On the hand, I do have the Strike Pack PO with them.

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24 minutes ago, tekering said:

I know, right?  I'm still the only guy posting any...  :huh:

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Thanks for posting, keep them coming!  If you have time, can you post pics of a side-by-side comparison without the strike pack?  

I had my Chogokin SDFM Max 1A next to my Yamato DYRL Max 1A so not a perfect comparison. 

Overall dimensions are not that far apart.  Things that stood out for me were the Chogokin SDFM 1A head is a lot bigger than the Yamato DYRL 1A head, and same with the GU-11 gun pod, and the Chogokin is a lot heavier than the Yamato.  Other obvious differences have probably been discussed to death already.

I've been wondering about the rifle slings.....are they supposed to be leather?  If so, where did they find cows (my M1907 pattern sling is made from cowhide) big enough for one continuous strip of leather for a GU-11 size rifle?  Or were they made from the tanned hides of dead Zentradi they harvested?

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1 hour ago, FattyMoBookyButt said:

Can anyone please give a quick rundown on buyee? I've checked it out once or twice from hearing about it from Mecha Gaikotsu's videos. Would you suggest Yahoo Japan or Amazon Japan listings? Do it add $30-50 in shipping and other fees in the end? (Shipping to the US.)

Basically you are bidding off Yahoo japan auction and there's additional shipping and service fee. You can get the total estimated cost at the item page during bidding.

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1 hour ago, Tenbatsu said:

There are about 100 unbid listing in Buyee, but of course am not certain if prices will go up or down. If the price of 25000yen is comfortable for you I would say go for it.

So you too got your VF-1S order cancelled from Play-Asia? I just spoke to their upper management today (they called me from Hong Kong via international call) and they are going to compensate me for their mistake as I don't accept their refund. They will work it out and let me know. I am suggesting to them that they pay the difference by buying a mark up from 3rd party sellers. Overall I have to say it's certainly professional of them to even call me up.

Yeah, there were a lot to choose from on Buyee, I went looking for one where the shipping cost was pretty much spelled out. A lot of the listing (with the lowest buyout prices) seemed kinda "off" to me. For instance, I found 3-4 different sellers that had the exact same sell numbers, and many other listings didn't specify shipping cost or shipping method (so I could determine cost range myself). Since I don't read Japanese and Google translate is iffy, I just assume these to be red flags, just to be safe. I know Buyee says I'm covered if they never get the package, but I'd rather not deal with all that just to save a few hundred Yen.

As for Play-Asia, I'm glad to hear things seem to be working out for you. From what I had read on some other sites, I had heard that they can sometimes be very difficult to get a refund from, so I was just happy to get my money back with no hassle. It was a late pre-order, so I wasn't too surprised when it bombed.

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1 hour ago, Tenbatsu said:

 I just spoke to their upper management today (they called me from Hong Kong via international call) and they are going to compensate me for their mistake as I don't accept their refund. They will work it out and let me know. I am suggesting to them that they pay the difference by buying a mark up from 3rd party sellers. Overall I have to say it's certainly professional of them to even call me up.

Thats pretty amazing service, hopefully it works out for you, wasn't aware you could deny a refund? Kudos to them.

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There's been a lot of discussion on the board the past several days regarding the customer service of these different retail shops.  For someone from the west, some of the practices/experiences cited seem head-scratching, but you have to keep in mind that there is often a cultural difference in Asia-Pac.  (I know that some of the customer service reps one might speak to are outsourced to other places, but for the sake of simplicity, I'll keep this to Asia.)

For the most part, we in the West (Canada, USA, UK, Australia) are a very individualistic culture.  Me, me, me, I, I, I.  So, we demand personal service.  However, in Asia, it is often a collectivist culture.  Saving face for another person, looking out for the group as a whole - it's about "we".  This isn't to prescribe some type of formula but often gives insight to why someone might handle a complaint the way they do.  In @Tenbatsu case, it's likely that they don't normally let you deny a refund, but his individualistic approach of demanding higher personal customer service for their mistake may have been embarrassing to the rep he escalated to.  So, to save face, the upper mgmt went above and beyond to appease the situation for the greater good of Play-Asia.  In the reverse, it would've been normal for a person in collectivist culture to graciously accept the refund and be understanding of their situation (even if unhappy with it).  In this case, Tenbatsu was going against cultural norms (even though in the West it's perfectly acceptable).

Sometimes, even when we think we're being polite, we're really not being polite for a collectivist culture.  We're being polite for our own individualistic culture.  And we scratch our heads wondering why we are met with unfavorable results.  It may be because we're actually not being perceived as polite.

Anyway, this comes from professional experience as I deal with cross-cultural communication.  And it interests me in general.  Of course, this is just an educated guess, but just bringing to light that we in the West make demands that are normal for us and even polite, but absolutely not normal in other cultures, specifically dealing with those companies that are based (or claim to be based) out of Japan.  Of course, every person is different regardless of culture so it also depends on the luck of who is handling your customer service request.  And many are trained to deal with American customers, for example, like AJ.  But, there's no formula to this.

Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt (take it or leave it) but worth considering for next time anyone needs to work with customer service from Japan.  Thus far, any communication I've had has delivered very positive results.

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2 hours ago, Syro said:

I politely contacted NY and asked if they had the stock to cover my order and if not if they could please cancel and they said they do not have the stock and apologized and cancelled my order. This works for me as the pre-order total with shipping was $377. Also found out Tenso translates to "transfer"

Interesting. I already secured three from elsewhere. I would have taken the NY units if they showed up. It sounds REALLY unlikely if they do it will be any time soon. I just created a ticket and asked if they would cancel/refund my orders. They're pre paid and for the "scalper" rate. I'm curious what they do.

Thanks for the heads up

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14 minutes ago, DYRL VF-1S said:

There's been a lot of discussion on the board the past several days regarding the customer service of these different retail shops.  For someone from the west, some of the practices/experiences cited seem head-scratching, but you have to keep in mind that there is often a cultural difference in Asia-Pac.  (I know that some of the customer service reps one might speak to are outsourced to other places, but for the sake of simplicity, I'll keep this to Asia.)

For the most part, we in the West (Canada, USA, UK, Australia) are a very individualistic culture.  Me, me, me, I, I, I.  So, we demand personal service.  However, in Asia, it is often a collectivist culture.  Saving face for another person, looking out for the group as a whole - it's about "we".  This isn't to prescribe some type of formula but often gives insight to why someone might handle a complaint the way they do.  In @Tenbatsu case, it's likely that they don't normally let you deny a refund, but his individualistic approach of demanding higher personal customer service for their mistake may have been embarrassing to the rep he escalated to.  So, to save face, the upper mgmt went above and beyond to appease the situation for the greater good of Play-Asia.  In the reverse, it would've been normal for a person in collectivist culture to graciously accept the refund and be understanding of their situation (even if unhappy with it).  In this case, Tenbatsu was going against cultural norms (even though in the West it's perfectly acceptable).

Sometimes, even when we think we're being polite, we're really not being polite for a collectivist culture.  We're being polite for our own individualistic culture.  And we scratch our heads wondering why we are met with unfavorable results.  It may be because we're actually not being perceived as polite.

Anyway, this comes from professional experience as I deal with cross-cultural communication.  And it interests me in general.  Of course, this is just an educated guess, but just bringing to light that we in the West make demands that are normal for us and even polite, but absolutely not normal in other cultures, specifically dealing with those companies that are based (or claim to be based) out of Japan.  Of course, every person is different regardless of culture so it also depends on the luck of who is handling your customer service request.  And many are trained to deal with American customers, for example, like AJ.  But, there's no formula to this.

Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt (take it or leave it) but worth considering for next time anyone needs to work with customer service from Japan.  Thus far, any communication I've had has delivered very positive results.

That was interesting. Thank you.

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15 minutes ago, DYRL VF-1S said:

There's been a lot of discussion on the board the past several days regarding the customer service of these different retail shops.  For someone from the west, some of the practices/experiences cited seem head-scratching, but you have to keep in mind that there is often a cultural difference in Asia-Pac.  (I know that some of the customer service reps one might speak to are outsourced to other places, but for the sake of simplicity, I'll keep this to Asia.)

For the most part, we in the West (Canada, USA, UK, Australia) are a very individualistic culture.  Me, me, me, I, I, I.  So, we demand personal service.  However, in Asia, it is often a collectivist culture.  Saving face for another person, looking out for the group as a whole - it's about "we".  This isn't to prescribe some type of formula but often gives insight to why someone might handle a complaint the way they do.  In @Tenbatsu case, it's likely that they don't normally let you deny a refund, but his individualistic approach of demanding higher personal customer service for their mistake may have been embarrassing to the rep he escalated to.  So, to save face, the upper mgmt went above and beyond to appease the situation for the greater good of Play-Asia.  In the reverse, it would've been normal for a person in collectivist culture to graciously accept the refund and be understanding of their situation (even if unhappy with it).  In this case, Tenbatsu was going against cultural norms (even though in the West it's perfectly acceptable).

Sometimes, even when we think we're being polite, we're really not being polite for a collectivist culture.  We're being polite for our own individualistic culture.  And we scratch our heads wondering why we are met with unfavorable results.  It may be because we're actually not being perceived as polite.

Anyway, this comes from professional experience as I deal with cross-cultural communication.  And it interests me in general.  Of course, this is just an educated guess, but just bringing to light that we in the West make demands that are normal for us and even polite, but absolutely not normal in other cultures, specifically dealing with those companies that are based (or claim to be based) out of Japan.  Of course, every person is different regardless of culture so it also depends on the luck of who is handling your customer service request.  And many are trained to deal with American customers, for example, like AJ.  But, there's no formula to this.

Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt (take it or leave it) but worth considering for next time anyone needs to work with customer service from Japan.  Thus far, any communication I've had has delivered very positive results.

Interesting read. I am from Singapore btw:hi:

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2 minutes ago, sqidd said:

That was interesting. Thank you.

No problem.  Hope it helps someone next time they have to interact on an issue.  NY is a tough one btw.  They outsource some of their customer service to different places, and so does A-E.  You might get someone from Japan, but you also might get someone from France (NY) or Russia (AE).

HLJ is pretty Americanized and cater to the West so that's why everyone generally has good things to say about their service. 

Anyway, just a few observations I've made over time.

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3 minutes ago, Tenbatsu said:

Interesting read. I am from Singapore btw

Very cool!  My cousin and his family are from there too.  They are coming to visit me in the states soon.  You have a few good shops in Singapore from what I understand!  Lo Tendo seems decent.  Wish we had that in the States. 

Oh and very happy to hear that Play-Asia is taking care of your situation.  Nice.

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From my personal experience:

  • Nippon Yasan: Don't expect customer service, don't expect fast shipping, they will eventually get you your order through.
  • Hobby Link Japan: Good customer service, ships things out reasonably quickly, a bit more expensive
  • CD Japan: Customer service isn't great, but oftentimes less expensive than HLJ and faster to ship than NY.
  • Hobby Search: Quick shipping, prices similar to CDJ usually, haven't dealt with their customer service.

For anything you absolutely must have I'd go with HLJ over all the others, for things you'd like to have go with HS or CDJ, for really expensive things you're not to worried about manufacturer defects on go with NY (as they have the lowest prices).

Special mention

  • Amazon Japan: #1 best place to buy pre-orders through, provided they will ship internationally. Prices are similar to HLJ, but the shipping is fast and cheap, and they do have good customer service.

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1 hour ago, tekering said:

I know, right?  I'm still the only guy posting any...  :huh:

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Much appreciated :good:

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4 minutes ago, Sanity is Optional said:

#1 best place to buy pre-orders through, provided they will ship internationally. Prices are similar to HLJ, but the shipping is fast and cheap, and they do have good customer service.

This my new "go to" as long as it's an option. Fast, smooth and easy.

My SV-51 through AJ had the bad feet. They were the first place to get me replacements.....and didn't even charge me shipping.

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1 hour ago, peter said:

If you have time, can you post pics of a side-by-side comparison without the strike pack?

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7 minutes ago, DYRL VF-1S said:

Very cool!  My cousin and his family are from there too.  They are coming to visit me in the states soon.  You have a few good shops in Singapore from what I understand!  Lo Tendo seems decent.  Wish we had that in the States. 

Oh and very happy to hear that Play-Asia is taking care of your situation.  Nice.

Well, I am keeping my expectation really really low as I may end up with only a discount coupon for my next purchase haha.

Latendo is alright, kinda expensive. The Falcon's Hangar is the one I would recommend with great prices and excellent service. Too bad they are unable to get hold of any VF-1S :wacko:

http://tfh.com.sg

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25 minutes ago, sqidd said:

This my new "go to" as long as it's an option. Fast, smooth and easy.

My SV-51 through AJ had the bad feet. They were the first place to get me replacements.....and didn't even charge me shipping.

AJ hasn't let me down yet, and I have the GoodSmile 1/48 Swordfish II pre-ordered through them currently (because shipping this thing for 1200yen international express rocks).

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If NY will definitely fulfill my order in time, maybe I will just wait it out. I have Strike Packs pre-ordered with them too and don't want NY to cancel them too or ban me.

Here is my VF-1S among friends.  Haven't transformed it to battroid yet. Once I do, it will likely permanently stay that way as I think battroid (and Gerwalk) are where the DX really shines.

1/48 Valkyries fill up display room rather quickly!

 

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42 minutes ago, Sanity is Optional said:

AJ hasn't let me down yet, and I have the GoodSmile 1/48 Swordfish II pre-ordered through them currently (because shipping this thing for 1200yen international express rocks).

Right!

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22 minutes ago, sh9000 said:

Why does the Yamato 1/48 have TV hands?

I think those might be extra 1/60 hands??? 

I was going to ask if they were.

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45 minutes ago, sh9000 said:

Why does the Yamato 1/48 have TV hands?

 

22 minutes ago, Slave IV said:

I think those might be extra 1/60 hands??? 

I was going to ask if they were.

Here's a quick snap of the hands on the 1/48 Yammie Full Set Max (non articulated). I think the hands already packaged on the valk are the chicken hands version.   

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3 hours ago, DYRL VF-1S said:

There's been a lot of discussion on the board the past several days regarding the customer service of these different retail shops.  For someone from the west, some of the practices/experiences cited seem head-scratching, but you have to keep in mind that there is often a cultural difference in Asia-Pac.  (I know that some of the customer service reps one might speak to are outsourced to other places, but for the sake of simplicity, I'll keep this to Asia.)

For the most part, we in the West (Canada, USA, UK, Australia) are a very individualistic culture.  Me, me, me, I, I, I.  So, we demand personal service.  However, in Asia, it is often a collectivist culture.  Saving face for another person, looking out for the group as a whole - it's about "we".  This isn't to prescribe some type of formula but often gives insight to why someone might handle a complaint the way they do.  In @Tenbatsu case, it's likely that they don't normally let you deny a refund, but his individualistic approach of demanding higher personal customer service for their mistake may have been embarrassing to the rep he escalated to.  So, to save face, the upper mgmt went above and beyond to appease the situation for the greater good of Play-Asia.  In the reverse, it would've been normal for a person in collectivist culture to graciously accept the refund and be understanding of their situation (even if unhappy with it).  In this case, Tenbatsu was going against cultural norms (even though in the West it's perfectly acceptable).

Sometimes, even when we think we're being polite, we're really not being polite for a collectivist culture.  We're being polite for our own individualistic culture.  And we scratch our heads wondering why we are met with unfavorable results.  It may be because we're actually not being perceived as polite.

Anyway, this comes from professional experience as I deal with cross-cultural communication.  And it interests me in general.  Of course, this is just an educated guess, but just bringing to light that we in the West make demands that are normal for us and even polite, but absolutely not normal in other cultures, specifically dealing with those companies that are based (or claim to be based) out of Japan.  Of course, every person is different regardless of culture so it also depends on the luck of who is handling your customer service request.  And many are trained to deal with American customers, for example, like AJ.  But, there's no formula to this.

Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt (take it or leave it) but worth considering for next time anyone needs to work with customer service from Japan.  Thus far, any communication I've had has delivered very positive results.

As a professionally-trained anthropologist, I agree with this assessment. What makes things even more complicated for us as collectors is when, in addition to this big difference between East and West, you have support staff from other parts of the world who bring their own perspectives and may or may not receive training on how to keep Western customers happy. With that said, how much responsibility do online stores have to keep us happy? I'd argue that if they are directly catering to Westerners, and make a big deal of it, the level of responsibility goes up. For example, HLJ and proxy services like FromJapan know exactly who their core customers are and make sure that they staff and train their support teams accordingly. For smaller operations and/or ones that only dabble in overseas sales, I think we have to set the bar much lower.

With all of this said, stores in Japan that cancel existing pre-orders, providing some kind of lame excuse about lack of stock, and then turn around and sell units at marked up prices, are going against the established collectivist norms of behavior in multiple ways. Sadly, greed often overrides virtuousness. Short of finding a way to publicly name-and-shame them in their front yards, where it will actually have an impact because their reputations would be damaged, there's probably not much we can do. Knowing that stores are offering to buy back orders for more than retail, but allowing you to keep your order if you want to, is an encouraging sign.

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6 minutes ago, Anasazi37 said:

With all of this said, stores in Japan that cancel existing pre-orders, providing some kind of lame excuse about lack of stock, and then turn around and sell units at marked up prices, are going against the established collectivist norms of behavior in multiple ways. Sadly, greed often overrides virtuousness.

Totally.  There's no excuse for these business tactics regardless of what your cultural norms are.  That's why I stick to only procuring through a handful of retailers who seem to be solid in that area and will give my business elsewhere if any of them turn to these tactics.

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Been following along for a while now, but still feel pretty noobie when it comes to collecting these toys.  Question to you guys out there.  Is there a "preferred" forwarder you guys use to acquire these toys?  I've been looking for a 1S and it doesn't seem AJ is going to have any stock any time soon(never).  So I might as well just purchase off a 3P seller, send to a forwarder and pay them the commission to ship to me.  Was going to go with Big In Japan since their commission is only 500 Yen.

What do you guys think?

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Just touched down before leaving early for work, doesn’t get any better. Still can’t believe I scored on that drop last week! HLJ coming through with the great packaging and KitKats. :D

edit: does anyone's else has a funky kinda smell or is that just the factory scent?

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