Mechinyun 20 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 It boils down to greed and on the vendors side and the scalpers side. The pre-oder price, without markup already has a profit margin for the vendor built in, they would make "ok" money all day selling it for that but It is plain as day that NY, among others have held their stock and raised their pre-order prices out of greed because they can. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shizuka the Cat 331 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) DX Chogokin 1/48 VF-1A TV Max pre-order madness: April 8, 2019 AVAILABLE NOW 249.99 usd @ Loopaza https://www.loopaza.com/dx-chogokin-macross-delta-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximilian-jenius-custom.html 27,500 yen @ Nippon-Yasan https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/27881-super-dimension-fortress-macross-dx-chogokin-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximilian-jenius-custom.html 278.13 usd @ Nin-Nin-Games https://www.nin-nin-game.com/en/japanese-import-hobbies-toys-game-character/31513-macross-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximillian-jenius-use-dx-chogokin--4573102567222.html 29,399 yen @ CDJapan Proxy Service http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/agency/yahoo/product/puremiamuserekuto_4573102567222 NOT AVAILABLE 16,280 yen @ Nippon-Yasan https://www.nippon-yasan.com/figures/27881-super-dimension-fortress-macross-dx-chogokin-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximilian-jenius-custom.html 17,100 yen @ Hobby Search https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10605111 18,000 yen @ AmazonJP https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B07QC9VHJC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=AN1VRQENFRJN5&psc=1 18,000 yen @ CDJapan http://mag.cdjapan.co.jp/?4_--_3284216_--_1885_--_9 18,000 yen @ HLJ https://hlj.com/dx-chogokin-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximilian-jenius-use-bans56722 18,000 yen @ Anime Export http://www.anime-export.com/product/43703 18,450 yen @ AmiAmi https://www.amiami.com/eng/detail/?gcode=FIGURE-047859 18,468 yen @ Nin-Nin-Games https://www.nin-nin-game.com/en/japanese-import-hobbies-toys-game-character/31513-macross-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximillian-jenius-use-dx-chogokin--4573102567222.html 18,470 yen @ PlazaJapan https://www.plazajapan.com/4573102567222 259.90 usd @ Kurama Shop https://www.bandaionline.com/dx-chogokin-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximilian-jenius-custom-action-figure/ Edited April 10, 2019 by Shizuka the Cat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slave IV 799 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mechinyun said: It boils down to greed and on the vendors side and the scalpers side. The pre-oder price, without markup already has a profit margin for the vendor built in, they would make "ok" money all day selling it for that but It is plain as day that NY, among others have held their stock and raised their pre-order prices out of greed because they can. Again, I'm not going to get into that too much here but greed is the capitalistic way. There is no scenario in capitalism where you can fault someone for trying to maximize their profits unless they are breaking some law to do so. Even with the price hikes, as people have pointed out and I also noticed, the NY prices are still usually below secondary market prices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HardlyNever 161 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 As we learned this week, Max can destroy more than just wallets: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
seti88 713 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, rdrunner said: It's a moral dilemma to me. Do they (meaning N-Y) sell all stock allocations they have on day 1, get sold out in minutes, knowing that >50% (or more) of the volume sold will go to scalpers who then turn these around for an immediate profit on day 1? Or do they keep some stock and release a second batch at prices slightly below the scalpers on YJA, and give us a chance to get them at an inflated price, also keeping some potential profits that might otherwise have gone to the scalpers? Personally I can see both sides of the argument, but the fact is that at 27.5k, a few fellow members were able to secure a PO in the end and get the peace of mind. And I think that's a good option to have. 13 minutes ago, Mechinyun said: It boils down to greed and on the vendors side and the scalpers side. The pre-oder price, without markup already has a profit margin for the vendor built in, they would make "ok" money all day selling it for that but It is plain as day that NY, among others have held their stock and raised their pre-order prices out of greed because they can. As much as it may seem from the lack of stock, to sudden price spike, I do not think NY withholds stock. They are in a biz of clearing stock not holding more as it costs money (shop space, handlers, power etc) to store stocks. The more stock they hold, the bigger the risk they can not clear them. NY are not macross fans, they are a business and they don't have time to micromanage what toys might be popular or not. Not to mention that word may go to bandai if any vendors arent pushing the sales, and there would be consequences. The spike in prices is more likely N-Y acting as a middleman to procure orders from the secondary market for the buyer and just get a smaller cut from it. They could perhaps have identified a local area with local sellers they are familiar with and leverage their advantage there to sell to others. The other clue is that the higher priced pre-orders normally have pay upfront, whereas actual bandai pre-orders have pay later options. N-Y's only problem is not communicating to their customers that these are secondary market products. This is normal practise but declared by others as proxy shopping like via CDJ and even sites like buyee/fromjapan thru yahoo auctions. Edited April 10, 2019 by seti88 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slave IV 799 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, HardlyNever said: As we learned this week, Max can destroy more than just wallets: LOL! great take on the wallet busting GIF! Mind if I share this around? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sh9000 8,833 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I won’t mind if they use this pose for the front of the package Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HardlyNever 161 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Slave IV said: LOL! great take on the wallet busting GIF! Mind if I share this around? Go for it. I'm glad someone enjoys it; I definitely got a chuckle. Just leave the watermark, if you don't mind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Slave IV 799 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, HardlyNever said: Go for it. I'm glad someone enjoys it; I definitely got a chuckle. Just leave the watermark, if you don't mind. I won't alter it at all. You deserve credit for thinking of and making it. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shizuka the Cat 331 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 PlayAsia lists the DX VF-1A TV Max as "pre-orders opening soon". Might be worth keeping an eye on, in case this is true. https://www.play-asia.com/dx-chogokin-macross-delta-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximilian-jenius-custo/13/70cndh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DYRL VF-1S 1,873 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Shizuka the Cat said: PlayAsia lists the DX VF-1A TV Max as "pre-orders opening soon". Might be worth keeping an eye on, in case this is true. https://www.play-asia.com/dx-chogokin-macross-delta-vf-1a-valkyrie-maximilian-jenius-custo/13/70cndh Huh, what do you think this means it the product page's Description? Quote Here is VF-1A Valkyrie in Maximilian Jenius Custom added to DX Chogokin series! Please note that there is a possibility of heavy reduction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jenius 1,213 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Sounds like they plan on selling without knowing how many they will get. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Checkmate 20 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, DYRL VF-1S said: Huh, what do you think this means it the product page's Description? Probably meant “low supply/ numbers” available for P.O. They call notifications “agent”. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DYRL VF-1S 1,873 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, jenius said: Sounds like they plan on selling without knowing how many they will get. Buyer beware. Looks like it’s prepaid too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canklebreaker 18 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Is it a reputable site? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shizuka the Cat 331 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, canklebreaker said: Is it a reputable site? PlayAsia has been around for a long time. I have gotten media from them in the past. I consider them to be fairly reputable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canklebreaker 18 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Just now, Shizuka the Cat said: PlayAsia has been around for a long time. I have gotten media from them in the past. I consider them to be fairly reputable. Great hopefully I can pick one up from them! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nathans82 21 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I've used Play-Asia before, they are pretty good. But if you get something damaged, it takes a bit to get it resolved sometimes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canklebreaker 18 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Since it’s 4am in Japan, do you think orders will open up during their normal business hours or random? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
no3Ljm 1,400 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 14 hours ago, Duymon said: I am feeling high levels of salt right now.... I found I had a tupperware full of 1/48 yammie missiles in storage and with just a few swipes of a file I was able to get them to fit just fine on the 1/48 DX..... Looks like I'll be selling those two overpriced DX missile sets I preordered since I have enough yammy missiles to equip a fleet of VF-1's Hey Duymon. Are the missile can be removed from its pylons? Maybe you can take a photo of this for fun by putting some tacks on the missiles? For everyone's pleasure and curiosity. 2 hours ago, HardlyNever said: As we learned this week, Max can destroy more than just wallets: You beat me to it. Cool GIF, @HardlyNever! 36 minutes ago, canklebreaker said: Since it’s 4am in Japan, do you think orders will open up during their normal business hours or random? Random. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rdrunner 122 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, canklebreaker said: Since it’s 4am in Japan, do you think orders will open up during their normal business hours or random? Over the last few days, a few retailers opened their POs at these hours (judging only by the time of the first link posted by fellow members): Plaza Japan : 2:12 pm Japan time AE : 4:01 pm Japan time HLJ (second round/cancellation): 1:51 pm Japan time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rdrunner 122 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 minute ago, no3Ljm said: Hey Duymon. Are the missile can be removed from its pylons? Maybe you can take a photo of this for fun by putting some tacks on the missiles? For everyone's pleasure and curiosity. Actually can't we 'tack the loose missiles from the 1/48 GBP set to the tailfins to recreate this effect...? IIRC there are a total of 68 missiles in that armour pack Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mister_e 2 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 For those that have had HLJ cancel an order before how long did it take for them to cancel it? I'm just wondering how long I have to wait before I can feel confident that my order will be fulfilled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moose 12 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 1 hour ago, nathans82 said: I've used Play-Asia before, they are pretty good. But if you get something damaged, it takes a bit to get it resolved sometimes. Do they price hike like NY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
no3Ljm 1,400 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, moose said: Do they price hike like NY During the initial preorder or the second round? I don't know if they're basing their initial preorder to the actual MSRP depends if it's a hot commodity. But I did check a sample like an ongoing preorder for Figuarts Iron Man Mark 43 (Reissue) between NY and PA. NY has it for $46.84. PA has it for $52.99. I think it's a little bit higher. So expect that the DX Max might be higher than most shops. But still beats the Y30000+ prices it's going for now, right? So if you can get a preorder from them, then congrats. But beyond that, since their preorder is a little bit late for DX Max, and if the item is in-demand, the next question would be 'do they deliver'? Edited April 10, 2019 by no3Ljm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
F360 453 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 2 out of 2 , play-Asia fail to deliver my valk preorders in the pass . So I would not recommend them . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
no3Ljm 1,400 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, F360 said: 2 out of 2 , play-Asia fail to deliver my valk preorders in the pass . So I would not recommend them . Ouch. Also, I just checked that Play-Asia has already been listed in our unholy 'Blacklist' list. That's too bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rdrunner 122 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 On the topic of cancelled preorders, in the last round (DX VF-1J) of PO madness, which companies cancelled on peeps? Just HLJ? Or Amiami as well? Did any other of the "major" vendors cancel anyone's orders? Sorry I lost track. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
moose 12 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, F360 said: 2 out of 2 , play-Asia fail to deliver my valk preorders in the pass . So I would not recommend them . Did they send an email tell you they could not full fill the order and then turn around and sell it for a mark up on their website. I had it happen with another small time shop in japan. I filed a claim when they failed to send me my eva metal build figure and sending me a tracking number that never pulled up anything shady stuff going around Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DYRL VF-1S 1,873 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, rdrunner said: On the topic of cancelled preorders, in the last round (DX VF-1J) of PO madness, which companies cancelled on peeps? Just HLJ? Or Amiami as well? Did any other of the "major" vendors cancel anyone's orders? Sorry I lost track. I can't say from personal experience, but someone on another board said that Amiami cancelled their DX VF-1J PO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
no3Ljm 1,400 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Got this from my email. It says I viewed this eBay item when it was still at $349.99. Not it's $299.99. The pricing is as competitive as NY's shipped priced to the US. https://www.ebay.com/itm/BANDAI-DX-CHOGOKIN-VF-1A-VALKYRIE-MAX-ROBOTECH-MACROSS-vf-1j-masterpiece-1-48/254192964913?hash=item3b2f14d531:g:SjMAAOSwJzpcqxrJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alphahorizon 70 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, no3Ljm said: Got this from my email. It says I viewed this eBay item when it was still at $349.99. Not it's $299.99. The pricing is as competitive as NY's shipped priced to the US. https://www.ebay.com/itm/BANDAI-DX-CHOGOKIN-VF-1A-VALKYRIE-MAX-ROBOTECH-MACROSS-vf-1j-masterpiece-1-48/254192964913?hash=item3b2f14d531:g:SjMAAOSwJzpcqxrJ I saw that at 350.00. Seller does have 100% rating. Someone in the states may want to consider it while its available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fry 2 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I saw this too. Would be slick w/ ebay coupon or ebay bucks to spend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dafob 33 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, fry said: I saw this too. Would be slick w/ ebay coupon or ebay bucks to spend. I've got $293 in eBay bucks to spend by the end of this month. What are the odds that POs will open up again somewhere for retail price before then. Hmmm... decisions, decisions... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shizuka the Cat 331 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, dafob said: I've got $293 in eBay bucks to spend by the end of this month. What are the odds that POs will open up again somewhere for retail price before then. Hmmm... decisions, decisions... How much did you spend on eBay to accumulate $293 in eBay bucks?! HOLY COW! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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