seti88 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I'm sorry for those folks dying to get their hands on a tan nosed FB VF-4, a bit of a disappointment I'll grant you. I'm delighted for me (and many others) though who didn't get one of these first time around. I'd love to say it was patience paying off that means I might get one at MSRP this time, but in honesty it had more to do with the scary aftermarket prices! Arcadia may have well figured out the demand for this and priced it accordingly. For all fan's sake if its not a massive price hike it would be good, however with arcadia's prices nowadays you cant be completely sure. Their MSRP seem to want to reach aftermarket prices of similar released versions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Well if I remember correctly that's probably not going to happen as I read somewhere in mwf that the reason yamato had to release the vf-4g is due to big west reluctance to give them the paint scheme permission mainly because in fb2012 the vf-4 is only seen in fighter mode, hence the vf-4g paint scheme from vfx which clearly shows all three modes. I've said it before just have Arcadia release the the FB2012 VF-4 with a warning that it should NOT be transformed without the written consent of BigWest! But seriously....BW must be demanding way too much for that license.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) New VF-4 is cool I guess, the big obvious question is how much? This being Arcadia, I wouldn't be surprised by a price that nearly rivals the second hand market prices anyway, in which case, I'm not wasting my time. A re-release should be more affordable then second hand prices, I know this is speculation, but based on how much they've been charging for their other valks, I'm not expecting much. Edited October 3, 2015 by Tking22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) It's a VF-4G with arcadias signature blue nosecose and side thrusters and less, muh less tampo for a higher price!! Blue is the new black guys!! LOL If it's a VF-4G I hope its priced similar or slightly higher cause it's not a new mold or retooling. Edited October 3, 2015 by Valkyrie addict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 So the question is, did Yamato's VF-4G reflect Arcadia's new pricing model when it came out or should we expect the same 33% price hike we've seen on the other reissues (VF-19, VF-1)? I hope they do something to differentiate from the first release, even if it's only a slight tweak to some colors. I know people said that they couldn't do the FB2012 scheme for lots of reason but I'm pretty sure 99% of those reasons were BS. It's got to be a licensing/legal issue... as in BW doesn't know if they would have to pay money to Tatsunoko for it and it's not worth their hassle to figure it out OR they do know they'd have to pay Tatsunoko and maybe some other company so they wanted a truck ton for the license so everyone would get a cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scyla Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 So the question is, did Yamato's VF-4G reflect Arcadia's new pricing model when it came out or should we expect the same 33% price hike we've seen on the other reissues (VF-19, VF-1)? I hope they do something to differentiate from the first release, even if it's only a slight tweak to some colors. I know people said that they couldn't do the FB2012 scheme for lots of reason but I'm pretty sure 99% of those reasons were BS. It's got to be a licensing/legal issue... as in BW doesn't know if they would have to pay money to Tatsunoko for it and it's not worth their hassle to figure it out OR they do know they'd have to pay Tatsunoko and maybe some other company so they wanted a truck ton for the license so everyone would get a cut. The last releases from Yamato where quite expensive (VF-19/17/4G) so I think that the price hike won't be that much compared to the YF-19 and the M0 Valkyries especially since the molds for the VF-4 already exists. Of course we can't be sure that the image really shows a perfect transformation 1/60th scale VF-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) I dunno... the VF-1 definitely had a price hike and they didn't do any extra work for that. Granted that's not a late release. We shall see, fingers crossed. Edited October 3, 2015 by jenius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I've said it before just have Arcadia release the the FB2012 VF-4 with a warning that it should NOT be transformed without the written consent of BigWest! But seriously....BW must be demanding way too much for that license.... It's irony that Big West and the guys can't release the Macross products over international waters due to Harmony Gold's involvement when in fact even within themselves they can't approve any license due to the fact that the Valk didn't transform in that 5, 10, 20 seconds flying routine. Shame. For sure, they know themselves that once they approved the Flashback 2012 coloring, it will be an instant hit to the fans. So the question is, did Yamato's VF-4G reflect Arcadia's new pricing model when it came out or should we expect the same 33% price hike we've seen on the other reissues (VF-19, VF-1)? I hope they do something to differentiate from the first release, even if it's only a slight tweak to some colors. I know people said that they couldn't do the FB2012 scheme for lots of reason but I'm pretty sure 99% of those reasons were BS. It's got to be a licensing/legal issue... as in BW doesn't know if they would have to pay money to Tatsunoko for it and it's not worth their hassle to figure it out OR they do know they'd have to pay Tatsunoko and maybe some other company so they wanted a truck ton for the license so everyone would get a cut. I will always expect a higher price mark now from every Arcadia releases. The only Valk I can think of comparing prices between Yamato initial price and Arcadia initial price is the recent released VF-1J/GBP. Yamato release it for Y16800. Arcadia for Y23800. That's 40+ish% of increase. I don't know how much VF-4G were released that time, but I'll assume that it's going to be around Y40000+, reissue or recolored, just to go head to head with the second market prices. They know for sure that people are buying this above Y50000, and that is already their base point. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosey Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Arcadia may have well figured out the demand for this and priced it accordingly. For all fan's sake if its not a massive price hike it would be good, however with arcadia's prices nowadays you cant be completely sure. Their MSRP seem to want to reach aftermarket prices of similar released versions... True but hopefully more palatable than the aftermarket has gotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 So the question is, did Yamato's VF-4G reflect Arcadia's new pricing model when it came out or should we expect the same 33% price hike we've seen on the other reissues (VF-19, VF-1)? I hope they do something to differentiate from the first release, even if it's only a slight tweak to some colors. I know people said that they couldn't do the FB2012 scheme for lots of reason but I'm pretty sure 99% of those reasons were BS. It's got to be a licensing/legal issue... as in BW doesn't know if they would have to pay money to Tatsunoko for it and it's not worth their hassle to figure it out OR they do know they'd have to pay Tatsunoko and maybe some other company so they wanted a truck ton for the license so everyone would get a cut. I don't think Tatsunoko has anything to do with it. AFAIK they don't pay Tatsunoko a dime for VF-1 molds, because Tatsunoko was only contracted to do the animation. And even if they did, the case of FB2012 is actually infamously different, because even though technically they used Tatsunoko animation in that OVA, they never got a credit, so FB2012 has always been a major point of contention. If you think about it, Tatsunoko could have sued BW back then in 1987. They waited until much later, though. With regards to the toy itself, I welcome it.... provided it's not too far out of my price range. The original VF-4 came out at the same time as the VF-19P so I had to make a choice and the VF-4 lost out. While I never regretted my choice, I was always hoping for another chance at the VF-4, and now I might have one, so I'm happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 It's possible Tatsunoko's right to a cut of the SDF Macross merchandising has expired (though it seems odd the domestic rights would expire while the sole international rights would go on in perpetuity) but I think the whole 'major point of contention' likely says enough as to why there is no officially licensed FB2012 items. It doesn't have anything to do with the VF-4 transforming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 You have to remember that the vf-4g was a web exclusive which i think marked the price up from a normal release. If Arcadia does a standard release hopefully the price will stay the same at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It really wasn't "exclusive" though. It was marketed online, and went through a few pre-order windows when they realized what the demand was like for it. It amounted more to a made-to-order type of product that was manufactured specifically to meet the demand. Personally I wish Yamato had used that method all along for some of the more expensive items, since I think it would have saved them a lot of trouble in the long run. If this does turn out to be a VF-4 in 2012 markings, I will be extremely happy though, and will probably grab one at whatever price they set it at. My lack of interest in getting the VF-0A helps that a bit though, I admit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti88 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I would thk to justify any new selling price, there has to be some differentiation be it in die-cast or even mold. Hopefully 'if' its the 4G it would come out sleeker(Is that even possible?) Its entirely feasible that not disrupting aftermarket prices of the Yammies, would also help them maintain their price points other than the obvious 'costly to make' argument. However this is really stretching the market demand. I myself am not sure i can keep up with all of arcadia's releases, they seem to be getting more frequent? This would affect the demand 0 CF's...0S not so much as it tied to armor...but if the pull for 4G is great then maybe both armor and 0S maybe less in demand.. C'mon arcadia at least give us more bang for the buck instead of a recolor/remold thingy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) for me its plain and simple.. FB12 markings = YES Original release colors = NO Question is then when will they release it? Has there been any mention of that? My guess still is 2nd quarter 2016 after VF-0S & RA parts.. Edited October 4, 2015 by spanner76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I might even grab one if it's the same gray markings, and just customize it. I'm always afraid to do anything like that because of the potential to muck up the customization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) I might even grab one if it's the same gray markings, and just customize it. I'm always afraid to do anything like that because of the potential to muck up the customization. If we don't get the FB12 scheme variant then customizing is the only next option.. for me though that idea is a little frightening due to the cost of the thing to begin with and as you mentioned the potential to stuff it up. Myself I don't posses the skill or patience so that is not an option for me unless I commission someone else with the skill & talent to do it for me! Edited October 4, 2015 by spanner76 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti88 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 for me its plain and simple.. FB12 markings = YES Original release colors = NO Question is then when will they release it? Has there been any mention of that? My guess still is 2nd quarter 2016 after VF-0S & RA parts.. No mention yet, but leaking the info before the 0s/RA/CF's are out would likely mean a stack of 4 arcadia's within prob within a 6 - 8 mth period. And with Delta launching soon, there may be added bandai chogokin releases...wooofff..get ready your budgeting powers!! I might even grab one if it's the same gray markings, and just customize it. I'm always afraid to do anything like that because of the potential to muck up the customization. Perhaps the older versions may drop in price for the adventurous customiser! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro2k6 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I think ..like the last two years..this maybe de schedule. February 2016 (like VF-0D) Reactive armor May 2016 (like VF-1J Armored) VF-0A CF August 2016 (like VF-0A Shin) VF-4? December 2016 (like VF-0S) "Insert your wish here". Not a official info...but that what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasonc Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I'd like another VF-4, but I'm not going to be too interested if it's going to be the same as before. You'd think that they'd work on getting the license to make the Hikaru version from FB2012. While they will do well selling this if it's the same (a guess), there is revenue lost in not doing something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Even if they offered both variants!? Receive revenue from both! And the fans win too! But I'd imagine those who would have picked up the original color variant anyways would then opt for the FB version instead if it were also made available. That's what I would do.. There would still be plenty of people who would still want to get the original that missed out the first time but these things aren't going to be cheap or at least anywhere near the price they originally sold for so not many will be able to afford to buy both.. Im predicting min 36k to 42k max. Doubt it will be more but I'll be very surprised if its less! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mog_kupo Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 There you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I reckon if Arcadia does a VF-4G Hikaru/FB2012 variant, it'll be pinkish white... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 What a letdown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 There you go Did you reconstruct that pic from the blurry pic? If so that's amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh9000 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Eh I'd like something new from Arcadia besides Valkyries from Macross Zero. If it's the same VF-4G I can easily pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Did you reconstruct that pic from the blurry pic? If so that's amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoexcaliber Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I can hear a lot of disappointed sighs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro2k6 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Did you reconstruct that pic from the blurry pic? If so that's amazing This pic in on Arcadia's twitter Right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti88 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 There you go It looks like a re-issue, colors and proportions looks unchanged...tho arcadia mentions is available to book at the end of the month? How much would it go for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 It looks like a re-issue, colors and proportions looks unchanged...tho arcadia mentions is available to book at the end of the month? How much would it go for? Most likely 2.5x the old yammie msrp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I don't think people are going to shell out over $1000 for a direct re-release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmkjr Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 This pic in on Arcadia's twitter Right now. You sure it's Arcadia's? I spot Vaseline and only know of one person that has that j/k though he does have nice pics. I'm down for a least 2 as I missed it the last time. I'm guessing 35000yen after discounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar Enrique Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Sad it's a reissue. Still, I'm getting it since I didn't bought the first one and I regret it. I will repaint it as the 2012 FB version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 well there you go eh.. I mean we knew this anyway from those original blurry pictures which showed no yellow nose cone. Still its disappointing. This is officially a pass for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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