Mommar Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Into Darkness falls on its face pretty quickly when you stop to think about it, but a lot of people felt entertained and never bothered to stop and think about it. Other ST films drag giving folks time to stop and think about how bad they are while watching which is why Into Darkness scores higher. I wouldn't say any other Star Trek besides The Motion Picture drags but you're right that JJ gets by making movies that go so breakneck fast they gloss over the issues (which I still maintain Episode VII does as well.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 It's has some serious plot issues thanks to Lindelof, but as far as acting and directing go, it's a fine movie. Well summarized. Some plot holes large enough to drive a coach-and-four through, but the acting pretty much makes up for it. And the Vengeance. What a great design, great idea, and the ripping sound it made at warp chasing the Enterprise was so ominous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Pretty much. Into Darkness was a well-produced version of a terrible script. A house with a bad foundation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Pretty much. Into Darkness was a well-produced version of a terrible script. A house with a bad foundation. I don't understand how studios keep letting Lindelof work on their movies. Everything he's written has gotten hammered over script issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeleader1 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Let's not forget it was also co written by Roberto "conspiracy nut" Orci. I picture the planning meeting for the plot going something like this... J.J.- I'm thinking about remaking Wrath of Khan any ideas? Lindelof- Well I do have this kind of vague idea, but I'm not sure where it leads to... Orci- 9/11. J.J.- Huh? Orci- 9/11! J.J.- Okay... Orci-(screaming) 9/11! 9/11! 9/11!!!! J.J.- Yeah...Alrighty I'm out, I'll be back in three weeks to shoot what you guys come up with.(walks out slamming the door behind him) Orci- NINE! ELEVEN! Lindelof- A conspiracy that is vague and leads nowhere...with Khan.... PERFECT!!! Orci-(starts repeatedly slamming his head on the table while mumbling 9/11) Three weeks later... J.J.-The hell is this garbage? Well at least I got Star Wars comming up... cha-ching! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Yes, but you need to include the fact that JJ and the cast did their best with that garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Into darkness is one of 3 trek films I ignore entirely, but nothing tops it more than nemesis, HATED that movie a lot and then final frontier for a poor story and washed out acting. Seeing beyond so far I can say it looks odd, but do kind of like the retro look yet don't understand the downgrading look of the uniforms, that was odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Into Darkness would have been much better had Cumberbatch's character just been another enhanced human from Khan's crew. Then we get to the end of the movie where we see them all of that crew in stasis, and as they pan over them we see one that says "Khan." I'm not even a Trek guy and I think that would have been awesome. The alternate timeline has our heroes dodging an even bigger bullet than they faced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Into Darkness would have been much better had Cumberbatch's character just been another enhanced human from Khan's crew. Then we get to the end of the movie where we see them all of that crew in stasis, and as they pan over them we see one that says "Khan." I'm not even a Trek guy and I think that would have been awesome. The alternate timeline has our heroes dodging an even bigger bullet than they faced. Fully agree...or even use Ricardo Montoban's likeness in stasis. Making Cumberbatch just an enhanced human wanting to save his "father" figure of Kahn would've bookended the Kirk story with Pike quite nicely too. Then all we would've needed to fix would be the cross-Galaxy beaming and travel times and the movie wouldn't be half bad IMO. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Fully agree...or even use Ricardo Montoban's likeness in stasis. Making Cumberbatch just an enhanced human wanting to save his "father" figure of Kahn would've bookended the Kirk story with Pike quite nicely too. Then all we would've needed to fix would be the cross-Galaxy beaming and travel times and the movie wouldn't be half bad IMO. Chris That would of been good even if his character claimed to be khan out of being an ego maniac, they did exist in his crew. Did anyone read IDWs post into darkness story on why his appearance changed? Was kind of cleverly done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazinger Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Fully agree...or even use Ricardo Montoban's likeness in stasis. Making Cumberbatch just an enhanced human wanting to save his "father" figure of Kahn would've bookended the Kirk story with Pike quite nicely too. Then all we would've needed to fix would be the cross-Galaxy beaming and travel times and the movie wouldn't be half bad IMO. Chris Into Darkness would have been much better had Cumberbatch's character just been another enhanced human from Khan's crew. Then we get to the end of the movie where we see them all of that crew in stasis, and as they pan over them we see one that says "Khan." I'm not even a Trek guy and I think that would have been awesome. The alternate timeline has our heroes dodging an even bigger bullet than they faced. Wow, I'm a big time trek fan and I wholeheartedly approve of this idea. Would have turned out much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technoblue Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Wow, I'm a big time trek fan and I wholeheartedly approve of this idea. Would have turned out much better. Definitely. It's time to put Duke and Dobber on Spock's time ship and send them back to save Into Darkness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 It's has some serious plot issues thanks to Lindelof, but as far as acting and directing go, it's a fine movie. Lindelof + JJ Abrams = DISASTER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Lindelof + JJ Abrams = DISASTER! Was JJ to blame for Prometheus as well? Or do you guys just have such a hard on for him that you can't see straight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Into Darkness would have been much better had Cumberbatch's character just been another enhanced human from Khan's crew. Then we get to the end of the movie where we see them all of that crew in stasis, and as they pan over them we see one that says "Khan." I'm not even a Trek guy and I think that would have been awesome. The alternate timeline has our heroes dodging an even bigger bullet than they faced. I like this idea a lot, it still wouldn't have fixed the transwarp bazooka non-sense or the fact not-Khan had the dexterity and strength of Spider-Man and they made him pretty much invent all of Starfleet technology after the events of the first film, and super-blood. But that plot beat would have been great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 (edited) Was JJ to blame for Prometheus as well? Or do you guys just have such a hard on for him that you can't see straight?I have the exact same problems with Episode VII that I have with Into Darkness, I feel like Trek and Wars were both damaged by those films and JJ is the common thread there. I hope Lin and Johnson both help to correct that.Though Lindeloff is terrible, I also blame Ridley Scott. Promethus was his movie and he should have been able to veto anything that was bad but he didn't, JJ as well for Trek and Wars. Edited May 27, 2016 by Mommar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Prometheus, I suspect, saw a lot of studio meddling. It would not be the first time Fox completely crapped up an Alien movie by handing to a committee much of the authority that ought be vested in the director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Prometheus, I suspect, saw a lot of studio meddling. It would not be the first time Fox completely crapped up an Alien movie by handing to a committee much of the authority that ought be vested in the director. Ridley can be brilliant, but he doesn't always make the best choices. I'm pretty sure Prometheus is on him. Or, more directly, going with the Lindelof script is on him. For all intents and purposes he's running the Alien show right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Well, the thing that stuck with me most was he was adamant that it was an original movie and not an Alien tie-in. And then when it came out it was not just a blatant Alien tie-in, but the MOST blatant Alien tie-in possible. My understanding is that Ridley Scott is not, generally, a bald-faced liar. That more than anything is what makes me think the studio deserves blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Well, the thing that stuck with me most was he was adamant that it was an original movie and not an Alien tie-in. And then when it came out it was not just a blatant Alien tie-in, but the MOST blatant Alien tie-in possible. My understanding is that Ridley Scott is not, generally, a bald-faced liar. That more than anything is what makes me think the studio deserves blame. Except he's producing all of the Alien movies. They all fall under Scott Free Productions. As to Prometheus, it started out being an Alien prequel, became something related but different, and is now back to being a prequel. I think it's just how things played out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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myk Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I get the feeling that the posters will be the highlight of this movie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sh9000 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Z50SG Damn that sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UN Spacy Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 That's horrible. ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I liked him best in Alpha Dog. RIP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanner Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Thats flat out terrible news.. RIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hikuro Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 just read this too....that's HORRIBLE! first movie I ever saw him in was Terminator Salvation, I thought he made an excellent younger Kyle Reese, his raspy voice just fit so well with Beihn's that I had hoped that future war stuff would include him. God that just sucks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505thAirborne Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 RIP Anton Yelchin. We'll miss you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Awe man, that is just horrible. RIP Anton. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Saw this earlier, horrible news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negotiator Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Wow this sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sildani Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 My God. That's truly tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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areaseven Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 R.I.P. Anton Yelchin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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