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I have seen the 1/100 vf-25 from bandai, are they as wanted as the hi metal and how are the build? 

Seti88 said that he finds that the there really isn't a better valk scale wise.

Back in the day of the 55's yherevwas vf a huge difference. The smaller ones were prettycrap made and all plastic.

The yamato when they came out the larger ones had more detail, but they all suffered from problems especially the joints. 

Now its not really the scale it is more of the brand.

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the "VF100" toys are among the worst toys ever pooped out. They are unwanted and should not be mentioned in the same breath as the Hi-Metal line. 

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10 minutes ago, Penguin sushi said:

I have seen the 1/100 vf-25 from bandai, are they as wanted as the hi metal and how are the build? 

Seti88 said that he finds that the there really isn't a better valk scale wise.

Back in the day of the 55's yherevwas vf a huge difference. The smaller ones were prettycrap made and all plastic.

The yamato when they came out the larger ones had more detail, but they all suffered from problems especially the joints. 

Now its not really the scale it is more of the brand.

For me, there isnt one scale better than the other.

If you can display many 1/100's as a complete collection, that is a positive in its own right.
And if some prefer a larger scale with better individual shelf presence and detail, that's a positive for the 1/60.

I just find it comparing apples and oranges, if you want to compare 1/100 and 1/60/55/48..

Product quality wise, both scales have there own nagging issues but i think thats more of manufacturing processes of each toy company rather than scale per se......

 

 

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5 hours ago, rdrunner said:

You know, I wasn’t a believer in the HMR series but bought my first one because I am a sucker for the GBP armour. Then over time it had grown on me, because I can really play with these unlike the 1/60’s or even the 1/48’s that I felt I had to transform with utmost care, for fear that I break an out-of-production figure. It’s like handling the 1/55 chunky monkey again - you can just mess with it and have some real fun. 

Another draw to the line is the promise of enemy mecha and non-valk variants like the Destroids and the Monster. These really make the collection much more interesting and due to their size, it’s unlikely that we will see them in other larger scales anytime soon. 

But anyway I understand and respect your decision, hopefully you’ll have luck getting more of the old 1/60’s or the new DX VF-1 line. 

Yup I've got the DX Max on pre-order and I'm watching several VF-1s on eBay as of now. I respect your decision to stay with the HMR line. At the end of the day, you should collect whichever line suits your tastes and makes you happy. For some, it's the 1/48 scale valks, others the 1/60s, the HMRs, or even all three.

 

5 hours ago, seti88 said:

The appeal of HMR is apparent when you have a whole shelf lined-up....https://twitter.com/REV_PINK/status/1119444180600676352

 

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am sure sh9000 has more, but dont forget what 1/100 lacks in detail/color accuracy or what not, it makes up in numbers.

I find though, there isn't one scale is better than the other. 
It just depends what you make out of your collection, how much you like it and how much it enhances your shelf/den/room/etc....

besides having a shelf of 1/60 valks is incredible!

From rdrunner's pics...57A3DEC7-D89B-419E-8E80-EB8F55F8311F.thumb.jpeg.9d0b55110ab54edd84be1a1689fc231d.thumb.jpeg.6394ac07b11d8a8b53edfa13b1380cb5.jpeg

 

 

 

That second pic is the kind of collection I'm trying to build. I'd love to fill several glass display case shelves with them!

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Man, I must say I'm disappointed in this VF-1D release.  In addition to aforementioned lack of a seated Minmei, and orange back panel, One of my two came with the following:

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Here we have a twisted wheel on the starboard maingear, and a half-painted raised seat accessory.  Luckily for me, I bought 2, (which i almost never buy duplicates but wanted to stock up for future customizing) so the second one had intact parts for these two issues.

Finally, the HMR VF-1D does not come with hardpoint wings.  Only smooth and the chibi battroid one wing piece.  Now I realize for some this might not matter, but it was a shock to me.  I don't blame bandai for not including missiles, because we all probably have piles of those.  But to not include hardpoint wings in the VF-1D's colorscheme... why?  I mean, I can take some from one of my brownies to make my custom combat 1D, but it just kinda sucks.  First world problem, i know....

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8 minutes ago, DWN013 said:

Finally, the HMR VF-1D does not come with hardpoint wings.  Only smooth and the chibi battroid one wing piece.  Now I realize for some this might not matter, but it was a shock to me.  I don't blame bandai for not including missiles, because we all probably have piles of those.  But to not include hardpoint wings in the VF-1D's colorscheme... why?  I mean, I can take some from one of my brownies to make my custom combat 1D, but it just kinda sucks.  First world problem, i know....

The VF-1D is a training unit, so I'm not sure it's supposed to be able to carry missiles... :unsure:

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Got charged for the VF-1D the other day from HLJ.com.  I shipped this morning along with my VF-4 that was in my private warehouse.  Can't wait!

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33 minutes ago, DWN013 said:

Man, I must say I'm disappointed in this VF-1D release.  In addition to aforementioned lack of a seated Minmei, and orange back panel, One of my two came with the following:

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Here we have a twisted wheel on the starboard maingear, and a half-painted raised seat accessory.  Luckily for me, I bought 2, (which i almost never buy duplicates but wanted to stock up for future customizing) so the second one had intact parts for these two issues.

Finally, the HMR VF-1D does not come with hardpoint wings.  Only smooth and the chibi battroid one wing piece.  Now I realize for some this might not matter, but it was a shock to me.  I don't blame bandai for not including missiles, because we all probably have piles of those.  But to not include hardpoint wings in the VF-1D's colorscheme... why?  I mean, I can take some from one of my brownies to make my custom combat 1D, but it just kinda sucks.  First world problem, i know....

"I want Bandai to be the exclusive producer of Macross toys." 

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4 minutes ago, Penguin sushi said:

Also are these worth the money?

Well, not much money...

...but there isn't a Hi-Metal R alternative for the VF-25, and they display well with HMRs.  :good:

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6 hours ago, rdrunner said:

You know, I wasn’t a believer in the HMR series but bought my first one because I am a sucker for the GBP armour. Then over time it had grown on me, because I can really play with these unlike the 1/60’s or even the 1/48’s that I felt I had to transform with utmost care, for fear that I break an out-of-production figure. It’s like handling the 1/55 chunky monkey again - you can just mess with it and have some real fun. 

Another draw to the line is the promise of enemy mecha and non-valk variants like the Destroids and the Monster. These really make the collection much more interesting and due to their size, it’s unlikely that we will see them in other larger scales anytime soon. 

But anyway I understand and respect your decision, hopefully you’ll have luck getting more of the old 1/60’s or the new DX VF-1 line. 

I originally bought the HMR “just because”  because why would i need these little things when I have 1/60’s.  But they really have grown on me.  cool little line. 

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1 hour ago, Tober said:

The VF-1D is a training unit, so I'm not sure it's supposed to be able to carry missiles... :unsure:

It was often used for training, but I don’t think that was its exclusive purpose. Per the mecha manual:

“...but nonetheless was an active-service variable fighter. A number of VF-1D units were also deployed as advanced training variable fighters, for live weapons and full combat functionality instruction.”

I would have liked to see a hardpoint option for the wings, but then Bandai would essentially have had to include missiles with it.

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48 minutes ago, Penguin sushi said:

Also are these worth the money?

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FWIW, I felt I overpaid for my VF-25S at $40.

It's strictly in fighter mode, and I'm considering super-gluing it together and giving it to my son to whoosh around with.

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13 hours ago, tekering said:

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She scales a little large, but she fits in the seat...

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I must say, Bandai did a much better job with the helmet this time around.

And, since you suggested using Plastic Cretins Minmay as well:

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There's not enough leg room in the back, unless you cut off her feet...

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...but you could always let her sit up front.  :p

Thanks for the pics.  This gives me some ideas.

7 hours ago, seti88 said:

The appeal of HMR is apparent when you have a whole shelf lined-up....https://twitter.com/REV_PINK/status/1119444180600676352

 

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am sure sh9000 has more, but dont forget what 1/100 lacks in detail/color accuracy or what not, it makes up in numbers.

I find though, there isn't one scale is better than the other. 
It just depends what you make out of your collection, how much you like it and how much it enhances your shelf/den/room/etc....

besides having a shelf of 1/60 valks is incredible!

From rdrunner's pics...57A3DEC7-D89B-419E-8E80-EB8F55F8311F.thumb.jpeg.9d0b55110ab54edd84be1a1689fc231d.thumb.jpeg.6394ac07b11d8a8b53edfa13b1380cb5.jpeg

 

 

 

The guy is missing a few but that HM and HMR pic is cool.  And yes I have a lot more.

1 hour ago, tekering said:

Well, not much money...

...but there isn't a Hi-Metal R alternative for the VF-25, and they display well with HMRs.  :good:

Agreed.

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5 hours ago, DWN013 said:

Man, I must say I'm disappointed in this VF-1D release.  In addition to aforementioned lack of a seated Minmei, and orange back panel, One of my two came with the following:

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Here we have a twisted wheel on the starboard maingear, and a half-painted raised seat accessory.  Luckily for me, I bought 2, (which i almost never buy duplicates but wanted to stock up for future customizing) so the second one had intact parts for these two issues.

Finally, the HMR VF-1D does not come with hardpoint wings.  Only smooth and the chibi battroid one wing piece.  Now I realize for some this might not matter, but it was a shock to me.  I don't blame bandai for not including missiles, because we all probably have piles of those.  But to not include hardpoint wings in the VF-1D's colorscheme... why?  I mean, I can take some from one of my brownies to make my custom combat 1D, but it just kinda sucks.  First world problem, i know....

Does it come with the correct display stand piece to display in fighter mode? Or is it the same ol incorrect one to use with super parts in fighter mode?

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17 hours ago, PteranodonMom said:

Not the best photo but the thinner piece of it is where it snapped. I really have no idea what to do given the VF-4 is going for $150-160 on the secondary market now... I could just keep it but after this happening I'd probably never want to touch it or really look at it.

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Sorry to hear this happened to you. So unfortunate :(

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5 hours ago, PteranodonMom said:

Yup I've got the DX Max on pre-order and I'm watching several VF-1s on eBay as of now. I respect your decision to stay with the HMR line. At the end of the day, you should collect whichever line suits your tastes and makes you happy. For some, it's the 1/48 scale valks, others the 1/60s, the HMRs, or even all three.

 

That second pic is the kind of collection I'm trying to build. I'd love to fill several glass display case shelves with them!

Thanks @PteranodonMom, I have an array of Detolfs for these right now but still haven't installed any lighting in them yet.  But yes I had wished to own a collection like this for a long time, and finally decided to do it.  I'm sure you'll build your own perfect collection over time.  Show us yours when you get them! :D

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6 hours ago, Tober said:

The VF-1D is a training unit, so I'm not sure it's supposed to be able to carry missiles... :unsure:

The VT-1 is a dedicated trainer, like a T-38.  The VF-1D is more akin to a two-seat combat-ready version, like an F-5F.  And either way, just because an aircraft is a dedicated trainer variant, it should still be completely weapons capable.  How else are pilots going to learn weapons employment? :p 

Either way, it's a stupid way for Bandai to cheapen out.  I love how they consistently fall back on "screen accuracy" as a way to excuse skimping on what other manufacturers would call a standard feature.

Looks like I'm going to have to make some spare wings. <_< 

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8 hours ago, Penguin sushi said:

Also are these worth the money?

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You should check out the review and judge for yourself.

http://anymoon.com/blog/?p=2927

 

Personally, I wasn't too impressed by it.  If you can find it at a good price it's OK to have something to scale with the other valks.  And, by good price I mean below MSRP.

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4 hours ago, ralliart209 said:

Does it come with the correct display stand piece to display in fighter mode? Or is it the same ol incorrect one to use with super parts in fighter mode?

Thankfully, at least the 1D does come with the non-super fighter mode stand adaptor, yes.

3 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

The VT-1 is a dedicated trainer, like a T-38.  The VF-1D is more akin to a two-seat combat-ready version, like an F-5F.  And either way, just because an aircraft is a dedicated trainer variant, it should still be completely weapons capable.  How else are pilots going to learn weapons employment? :p 

Either way, it's a stupid way for Bandai to cheapen out.  I love how they consistently fall back on "screen accuracy" as a way to excuse skimping on what other manufacturers would call a standard feature.

Looks like I'm going to have to make some spare wings. <_< 

This.  Just because the south ataria maintainers didn't have time to give hikaru anything but a gunpod, doesn't mean the VF-1D couldn't carry missiles.

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If Bandai wanted to only include one set of wings, they should've given us the set with hardpoints. In any case, it's bad form to give us both sets of wings in previous releases and then cheap out and take them away. 

Both of mine arrived from Amazon. I'll check them out and see how else we could get Bandai'ed. 

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So many complaint about the color, etc. I would mainly be worried about QC on this coming out of China.  As in the past they have had QC issues before with this line of valks.  I may have to open all of mine and check for QC issues before I store them away in my closet.  But thanks for the heads up.  Good thread.

Hoping for more valks to come and keeping an eye peeled for someone selling that CF, as I don't have one. I'm actually missing a few valks but gotta love that CF.

Isn't a new armored valk suppose to be coming out?  If so, I'll be in for one of those, at least.  That would be cool.

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Delivered

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7 minutes ago, rocketblast said:

So many complaint about the color, etc. I would mainly be worried about QC on this coming out of China.  As in the past they have had QC issues before with this line of valks.  I may have to open all of mine and check for QC issues before I store them away in my closet.  But thanks for the heads up.  Good thread.

Hoping for more valks to come and keeping an eye peeled for someone selling that CF, as I don't have one. I'm actually missing a few valks but gotta love that CF.

Isn't a new armored valk suppose to be coming out?  If so, I'll be in for one of those, at least.  That would be cool.

At this point I open everything to check for manufacturing defects, and for HMRs I transform them as well. Bandai's QC seems to be slipping.

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Seems like if they were coming out of Japan we would have less issues but I feel we are fortunate that it is a Japan owned company with Japan like quality control.  I've been happy over all with both 1/55 reissue products as well as this line of toys.

Also Saburo, good to see you got yours in.  Really nice.

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Checked both of my copies. No major defects reported. But still the most disappointing HMR release in awhile. Only thing I really like about it is being able to have basketball player Minmay in hand.

But it's outweighed by the lack of hardpoints and ordnance. incorrect back cover, and no sitting Minmay. The incorrectly colored back cover alone means that one is staying in gerwalk with Minmay in hand, one is staying in battroid, and I'll keep using my Yamato for fighter whooshing. :p

The orange doesn't match either, just like the VT-1. But it's less obvious since you don't have painted and colored plastic sections right up against each other.

Addendum: Should also have mentioned that I like that Bandai gave us a nice longer canopy over the extra large two seater cockpit. Which makes it a damn shame that having it in fighter mode means looking at that eyesore of a back cover.

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1 hour ago, Saburo said:

Delivered

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Haha. Very cool!

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1 hour ago, rocketblast said:

So many complaint about the color, etc. I would mainly be worried about QC on this coming out of China.  As in the past they have had QC issues before with this line of valks.  I may have to open all of mine and check for QC issues before I store them away in my closet.  But thanks for the heads up.  Good thread.

Hoping for more valks to come and keeping an eye peeled for someone selling that CF, as I don't have one. I'm actually missing a few valks but gotta love that CF.

Isn't a new armored valk suppose to be coming out?  If so, I'll be in for one of those, at least.  That would be cool.

Regardless of where the items are manufactured, it is largely the responsibility of Bandai to make sure QC meets their requirements.  Bandai may just need to either sample more items off the line or send more staff for QC.  Now days, all the best consumer products are made in China:  Hydro Flask, Apple products, Samsung products, etc.  It's doubtful that Bandai would be able to move production back to Japan.  They are experiencing a major labor shortage now days.  Your collectables would still likely be produced with non-Japanese labor.  QC might improve, it may not.

Japanese pride and ethics may not be what it use to be.  Look into Mazda, Nissan, Suzuki and Yamaha's emissions control scandal.

Edited by DewPoint
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52 minutes ago, Lolicon said:

Checked both of my copies. No major defects reported. But still the most disappointing HMR release in awhile. Only thing I really like about it is being able to have basketball player Minmay in hand.

But it's outweighed by the lack of hardpoints and ordnance. incorrect back cover, and no sitting Minmay. The incorrectly colored back cover alone means that one is staying in gerwalk with Minmay in hand, one is staying in battroid, and I'll keep using my Yamato for fighter whooshing. :p

The orange doesn't match either, just like the VT-1. But it's less obvious since you don't have painted and colored plastic sections right up against each other.

Addendum: Should also have mentioned that I like that Bandai gave us a nice longer canopy over the extra large two seater cockpit. Which makes it a damn shame that having it in fighter mode means looking at that eyesore of a back cover.

Thanks @Lolicon - I kept nodding as I read your post especially the last bit, lol.  Their two-seater canopy looks so good in fighter mode as well - I don't think I have seen a transformable 1D figure that got the proportions right.  So now the question for me is, do I swap it out with the Super O's back cover (which has the correct colour, but only one antenna/fin) or just leave it as is.  There is no painting option for me sadly. 

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@Saburo, thanks for the stunning pic as usual (and as expected, aren't we spoilt here lol).

My amazon order has shipped via DHL and it's scheduled to get to me by tomorrow.  Did you order yours via amazon or another company with DHL shipping?  Coz that was fast!

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On 4/22/2019 at 7:56 AM, PteranodonMom said:

Not the best photo but the thinner piece of it is where it snapped. I really have no idea what to do given the VF-4 is going for $150-160 on the secondary market now... I could just keep it but after this happening I'd probably never want to touch it or really look at it.

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Looks like I won't be transforming my VF-4 then. I like it most in the fighter mode anyway.

And I got my VF-1D shipping notice from Amazon. Hopefully it arrives tomorrow as scheduled.

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3 hours ago, Saburo said:

Delivered

 

Going into Box photography? :p 
Mine is still in Tokyo, so as usual living vicariously thru the pics! ;)  

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As far as I know, this is the only instance of this happening with the VF-4 Lightning.

Most of what I’ve seen and heard are paint and glue blemishes, with the occasional missing or same side parts snafu.. 

The VF-4 in particular can be fun to transform . Be sure to check out the transformation vid on any moon.com if you want a good run down. 

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2 hours ago, rdrunner said:

Thanks @Lolicon - I kept nodding as I read your post especially the last bit, lol.  Their two-seater canopy looks so good in fighter mode as well - I don't think I have seen a transformable 1D figure that got the proportions right.  So now the question for me is, do I swap it out with the Super O's back cover (which has the correct colour, but only one antenna/fin) or just leave it as is.  There is no painting option for me sadly. 

Oh, and I also don't like the way it looks with the back seat being empty. Thanks for not giving us a sitting Minmay, Bandai!

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