Tking22 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 What are the MSRP of #1 and #2? Right? It's like he tried to make a point, but since one is more then double the retail of the other, common sense would dictate this is a point that doesn't need to be made, and that "best" is still subjective. I guess he really wants us to know he doesn't like the Hi-Metal valks. Thinking back, what color were Arcadia's VF-1s? Were they the nice bright TV white? Were they the off DYRL white? No you say? What color were they? Were they some odd, what the hell is this shade of pinkish white? Yes they were. Best my ass, at more then twice the price they couldn't even get the color right, yet again, this is a trend with them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanedas Bike Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 What are the MSRP of #1 and #2? Right? It's like he tried to make a point, but since one is more then double the retail of the other, common sense would dictate this is a point that doesn't need to be made, and that "best" is still subjective. I guess he really wants us to know he doesn't like the Hi-Metal valks. Thinking back, what color were Arcadia's VF-1s? Were they the nice bright TV white? Were they the off DYRL white? No you say? What color were they? Were they some odd, what the hell is this shade of pinkish white? Yes they were. Best my ass, at more then twice the price they couldn't even get the color right, yet again, this is a trend with them now. You guys kill me sometimes. You want to argue, consistently, about which is "better", be it build quality, pricing, color, apps, wheels, accessories, type of cardboard the box uses, all the while comparing Apples to Oranges and when someone bites you then say it's a foolish debate or argument. And it is. And speaking of vocalizing how much a person doesn't like one company or product...Pot meet Kettle. -b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EXO Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Bam... truth dropped! Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I can definitely say I'm firmly in the "well, I'll give it a shot" camp. Personally, I'm just not really a fan of Bandai's engineering choices, and have to agree, the multiple sets of wings with and without hardpoints is just excessive. They're already including solid battroid only wings, are people really that picky that they can't stand wings with visible empty hardpoints? Part of me wants to just say, "If people are that picky, either tell them to suck it up, bite the cost of developing a less ugly hardpoint." Neither seem like that difficult a concept. The hardest part for me though? Most of my Yamato VF-1s cost less than this new HMR line. The features are different, the scale is much smaller, and the quality may be fine, but my brain just has trouble accepting that this little thing costs more than one almost twice the size, regardless of what features and extras it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickyg Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Summed it up perfectly, Chronocidal! If someone gave me one of these, and I had no idea what it cost, I'd be seriously impressed. It's small, well proportioned, detailed, has a zillion cool parts (I'm talking about the Armored VF-1J I have) and overall, it's a small version of my childhood that I can hold and whoosh around the room with! It's only when I realise how much it costs that I start to feel a bit sour about it. But that's not really a fair judgement for many reasons. Firstly, I purchased all my VF-1 toys at a serious discount, making them much less than I paid for this new "little" toy. And secondly, I have not purchased an Arcadia VF-1 toy of any description. Why? Because they're too expensive! Also, because I'm still comparing the "new" cost to what I paid, which was not an accurate price for the toy, to begin with! If I'd started my collection Post-Arcadia, I think I'd feel quite differently about all this. TL DR:The Bandai toy isn't so bad after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'm getting the HM-R stuff just to do my own Battletech\Mechwarrior line. Not really using it for Macross line stuff. Too small for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tking22 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 You guys kill me sometimes. You want to argue, consistently, about which is "better", be it build quality, pricing, color, apps, wheels, accessories, type of cardboard the box uses, all the while comparing Apples to Oranges and when someone bites you then say it's a foolish debate or argument. And it is. And speaking of vocalizing how much a person doesn't like one company or product...Pot meet Kettle. -b. And you didn't have to comment about the argument, but someone always does and will. It doesn't hurt anybody, it's an argument about transforming plastic jet toys, if it bothers people so much they can stop coming to the site, or skim past what they don't want to read. I won't apologize for it, and I can care less if it comes off as petty. If it's such a childish thing and you're tired of it, stay out of it if it bothers you so much. I refuse to stop, it's not breaking rules, it's just passions apparently running very high about toys. It's a forum, 90% of the point of forums is to devolve into completely pointless arguments about stuff most normal people on the street would have zero clue about. Once again, the people complaining about the people complaining add to the mess of complaints and apparent pointlessness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Right? It's like he tried to make a point, but since one is more then double the retail of the other, common sense would dictate this is a point that doesn't need to be made, and that "best" is still subjective. I guess he really wants us to know he doesn't like the Hi-Metal valks. Thinking back, what color were Arcadia's VF-1s? Were they the nice bright TV white? Were they the off DYRL white? No you say? What color were they? Were they some odd, what the hell is this shade of pinkish white? Yes they were. Best my ass, at more then twice the price they couldn't even get the color right, yet again, this is a trend with them now. I reckon he's saying a minor pinkish-hue Arcadia valk is just simply better than the HM-R's part-swapping shenanigans, therefore "best" regardless of Arcadia's exorbitant pricing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 You guys kill me sometimes. You want to argue, consistently, about which is "better", be it build quality, pricing, color, apps, wheels, accessories, type of cardboard the box uses, all the while comparing Apples to Oranges and when someone bites you then say it's a foolish debate or argument. And it is. And speaking of vocalizing how much a person doesn't like one company or product...Pot meet Kettle. -b. I don't think I've been arguing better, just different, and I think I'm pretty consistent on that. Not sure why it matters though, it's the HMR thread and the toys are being discussed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Since we are discussing landing gears, was wondering in DYRL was there a scene that shows the valk with landing gears? The only landing scene that I can remember was Hikaru w Misa on devastated earth crash landing in gerwalk mode. IIRC, there's one scene in the enemy's ship bay when Roy, Hikaru and Misa were escaping. Hikaru transforms the Ostrich from Valkyrie to Gerwalk after the 'kiss'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 ... Since we are discussing landing gears, was wondering in DYRL was there a scene that shows the valk with landing gears? The only landing scene that I can remember was Hikaru w Misa on devastated earth crash landing in gerwalk mode. Can't recall exactly, but how about in the hangar/bay scene where everyone was putting on the FAST-packs and scrambling to get a valk out? Was gonna do some snaps when I get home, but found this post from DanBickell back in 2012 with snapshots of the hangar/bay scene I was referring earlier: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?s=e97905ba85eb884cda29fda1956061a6&showtopic=36371&page=9#entry972501 Vi-RS also had the same snaps: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=36371&page=9#entry972513 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmacross83 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 nice thanks for sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 IIRC, there's one scene in the enemy's ship bay when Roy, Hikaru and Misa were escaping. Hikaru transforms the Ostrich from Valkyrie to Gerwalk after the 'kiss'. My bad. I check some video over YouTube and it looks like the Ostrich was parked without the landing gears down. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I was checking my 1j(1s has it shown up I the mail.) the landing gear bay door at the front looks like it could fit an integrated mechanism, but I would have to agree with some that it would probably be too flimsy of a gimmick and would probably just be sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolicon Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Is there a problem with being #2? Although the Arcadia GBP cost a lot more, it's the HMR GBP that I felt I got ripped off on. But like a bunch of others, I'm only picking up the VF-1s to go with the HMR stuff I'm really looking forward to, which are the Regults and other mecha we'll probably never see in 1/60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yman1437 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Still not available from the regular online channels...should I panic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest davidwhangchoi Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 whatever happened to this, i was expecting some major refinements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Still not available from the regular online channels...should I panic? You talking about Roy? I think I'd start to panic at this point as it seems like preorders of a 'normal' release should have gone up yesterday. whatever happened to this, i was expecting some major refinements. I'm sure he was like "Looks good, you should add an integrated heat shield and landing gear" and they were like "We want this to retail for like 7,000 Yen before optional parts" and he was like "Cool, but you should make the nosecone removable so the GBP doesn't look wonky." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmacross83 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Not trying to be rude, but why do we keep talking about how awesome arcadia is if this is a thread for Hi-Metal fans? Yeah I know Arcadia is awesome and that Bandai's line has MINOR flaws, but why make so many paragraphs about the comparisons? I am content and I feel Hi-Metal is Hi-End enough for me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yman1437 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 You talking about Roy? I think I'd start to panic at this point as it seems like preorders of a 'normal' release should have gone up yesterday. I'm sure he was like "Looks good, you should add an integrated heat shield and landing gear" and they were like "We want this to retail for like 7,000 Yen before optional parts" and he was like "Cool, but you should make the nosecone removable so the GBP doesn't look wonky." Hikaru actually...missed all the pre-orders, was hoping to get one upon release... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Hikaru actually...missed all the pre-orders, was hoping to get one upon release... Oh, that's a little tougher. The GBP kept popping up randomly after release. I think you're firmly in Murphy's Law territory. If you choose to wait, it will only become more scarce. If you buy one in desperation at a mark-up, Bandai will then release a lot more to retailers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koonfasa Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I think more GBP's will sell than Hikaru. Is there going to be a normal Roy release? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 With a lot of bandai products they do a second run, even on exclusives. If you wait you may get a far better deal than what's out now. I don't think dunbine is as popular of a series but bandai has done second and even third releases on their sh figuarts products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmkjr Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Macross might be a whole different can of worms. I'm not familiar with the HI metal line but for the DX line I've only seen a few of the valks get issued a re-release. You can wait but how long will it take for them to issue the ones that you want? I had to wait a couple years for the VF-25S reissue and still hoping for a VF-25G one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 With a lot of bandai products they do a second run, even on exclusives. If you wait you may get a far better deal than what's out now. I don't think dunbine is as popular of a series but bandai has done second and even third releases on their sh figuarts products. Don't you mean their Robot Spirits/Damashii Aura Battler line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big s Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Sorry I meant to include robot spirits as well in my previous comment. My point is they regularly rerelease different products not jus the ones I have mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Sorry I meant to include robot spirits as well in my previous comment. My point is they regularly rerelease different products not jus the ones I have mentioned. Can't say why they're re-releasing it. Probably there's more demands there than Macross(?) for other series. We never know for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronocidal Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Either way, I don't think Bandai has ever re-released any of the web shop exclusive stuff, which honestly makes their re-releasing any of the Frontier valks a painful thing.Really... all I can think of is John Cleese's character from Rat Race going:"Let's re-release Alto and Ozma again! Place your bets now on how high you think the market prices for the super and armor parts will go this time!"Seriously... who are they benefitting by repeatedly driving up demand for an item they never intend on releasing again? And why do they feel the need to rub it in the faces of every crowd attending their toy events by prominently displaying armored Ozma and Alto with big fat "SORRY YOU CAN'T BUY THIS ANYMORE!!" signs? It's like a giant middle finger to their fanbase. Edited December 2, 2015 by Chronocidal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrhead Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) My Kombini has the GBP and Strike in stock. Marked up a little, but not as bad as NY. *They marked 'em up since yesterday. and the 1J is sold out joiks. Edited December 2, 2015 by warrhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechapilot77 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 post release ona hero valk vf-1s hikaru....i'd sign up to be notified by NY. sometimes they get previously out of stock stuff back in. has happened many times with previusly hard to get bandai items. although when they get them in stock..some other retialers do too sometimes so when you get noitfied...check all the usual suspects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonz Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 have a hard time trying to remove the heatshield. i think i'm not gonna force it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharky Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 I just want to say playability with these vs. perfect transformation shouldn't be underrated. I just tried to transform my VF-17S for the first time the other night. I was thinking it would be pretty straight forward given the nature of the design. I tell you I was nervous and sh..ing bricks thinking I was going to break something or ding a sharp edge/point the entire time. I was glad to finally get it back in fighter mode. Not a particularly enjoyable experience. I hope they make everything HMR over time. Then I can actually play with my toys from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no3Ljm Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 My Kombini has the GBP and Strike in stock. Marked up a little, but not as bad as NY. *They marked 'em up since yesterday. and the 1J is sold out joiks. The difference were just like Y500. So it's not bad to get it from NY. VF-1S Hikaru with EMS shipping NY: Y14800 Kom: Y14300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenius Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Yikes, that's getting pricey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyp Durron Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Can't wait for the VF-0's and the VF-4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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