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Is it just me or does the Mayan birdman/protoculture genesis theory from Macross Zero sound a lot like the ancient astronaut theory pitched in the history channel's shows Ancient Aliens and In Search of Aliens?

Don't get me wrong, I don't subscribe to it. It's just scifi to me at this point. The parallelism is just interesting.

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Meh, it's only a option-able theory because the links between Neanderthal and Homosapien haven't yet fully been identified.

But the theory it's self is only existent because we can't yet disprove it, because there is no proof to disprove it.

I always ask my self.. what's more logical.

We haven't found the location of ancient inter-special remains yet, or Aliens sent primitive version of themselves to screw up another planet?

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Ah good 'ol Zero; those were the days...

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Isn't the first time anime has taken that sort of thing as an inspiration; "Gatchaman II" was heavily influenced by "UFO Culture". And then, of course, theres "Mysterious Cities of Gold"...

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Anyway you look at it, the protoculture are Aliens to the human race. The people of the Mayan islands looked at it from a spiritual stand point and not a scientific one. As far as I can tell the Mayans are an ancient civilization that refused science because of the spiritual connection. So instead of trying to explain everything scientifically they based their creation story on the events of the protoculture arrival in ancient times. Also a lot of people think that there is magic going on in this OVA, but all of the mystical events are directly related to the protoculture tech that is buried under the ocean around the islands. Song energy effects the ancient artifacts found all over the island.

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Is it just me or does the Mayan birdman/protoculture genesis theory from Macross Zero sound a lot like the ancient astronaut theory pitched in the history channel's shows Ancient Aliens and In Search of Aliens?

Don't get me wrong, I don't subscribe to it. It's just scifi to me at this point. The parallelism is just interesting.

It's an old theory, popularized in the late '60s by Erich von Daniken's book Chariots of the Gods, and as others have pointed out, has been used in other anime besides Macross Zero.

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Meh, it's only a option-able theory because the links between Neanderthal and Homosapien haven't yet fully been identified.

But the theory it's self is only existent because we can't yet disprove it, because there is no proof to disprove it.

I always ask my self.. what's more logical.

We haven't found the location of ancient inter-special remains yet, or Aliens sent primitive version of themselves to screw up another planet?

Actually, modern understanding of the species lineage says neanderthal is not a predecessor of homo sapiens. They are a homo branch that forked off some time after homo erectus, and evolved independently of, and concurrently with, homo sapiens.

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Actually, modern understanding of the species lineage says neanderthal is not a predecessor of homo sapiens. They are a homo branch that forked off some time after homo erectus, and evolved independently of, and concurrently with, homo sapiens.

And got buizzaay!

There's been evidence of cross breeding between the two. How viable the offspring were, though IDK.

And why are we picking on M0? THe protoculture influence on humanity was clearly spelled out in SDFM. While I think the idea is realistically crap, I do enjoy several stories that use the idea, like Macross, Galactica, etc.

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And got buizzaay!

There's been evidence of cross breeding between the two. How viable the offspring were, though IDK.

Considering Neanderthal DNA makes up 2% of the genome of people of European and Asian descent, I'd say pretty viable.

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Actually, modern understanding of the species lineage says neanderthal is not a predecessor of homo sapiens. They are a homo branch that forked off some time after homo erectus, and evolved independently of, and concurrently with, homo sapiens.

Yeah, I think you took me too on point. It's more of the missing piece of where we evolved from that created the Ancient Aliens theory.

AFAIK we still just seemed to have "shown" up, right as Neanderthal disappeared. With some cross breeding before Homosapien took over.

Until we really find that direct link between Sapien, and Simian it's going to continue fueling the theory of us being seeded on the planet. Which is a matter of perception, because technically speaking all life on earth would have became from riding an asteroid into primordial Earth.

Macross Zero had a interesting concept, Even getting close to the theory of our race being genetically created by our future selves, but if you really want a cool story, watch Mission to Mars.

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Ah. Well, at least I got an excuse to say "homo erectus" out of it.

And yeah, there's a LOT of "alien intervention" sci-fi built around that missing link argument. Lot of good sci-fi, even.

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Its reasonably likely we're never going to find that direct link; leaving aside that the "human" fossil record is notoriously patchy (though always improving with new discoveries etc), most accounts of biology point out that it doesn't really work like that (direct link to direct link to direct link etc).

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Ah. Well, at least I got an excuse to say "homo erectus" out of it.

And yeah, there's a LOT of "alien intervention" sci-fi built around that missing link argument. Lot of good sci-fi, even.

That being said, the "Protoculture" could just as well be Cylons. :p

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Its reasonably likely we're never going to find that direct link; leaving aside that the "human" fossil record is notoriously patchy (though always improving with new discoveries etc), most accounts of biology point out that it doesn't really work like that (direct link to direct link to direct link etc).

True, but with people only seeing MacroEvolution like Dogs and Cats, people have a hard time bridging Chimp to Human, even though we are nearly identical in DNA makeup. Then again, almost everything on earth shares a decent amount of DNA writing. Just invoking the ultimate truth that we are all just star dust.

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I liked the theory when I was younger but what ultimatelly made me pass on the Ancient Aliens theory is that it does not really answer much. Ok, great, we were seeded/aided by aliens, but who seeded/aided THEM? Where they seeded by even more Ancient Aliens? And those? By Super Über Ancient Aliens? From that point of view the theory turns into and endles Russian doll unless one admits that at least one species did evolve and developed technology unaided. And if one did then that means that our ancestors could also have developed and advanced unaided.

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Its reasonably likely we're never going to find that direct link; leaving aside that the "human" fossil record is notoriously patchy (though always improving with new discoveries etc), most accounts of biology point out that it doesn't really work like that (direct link to direct link to direct link etc).

Well, direct, no - but the record is pretty good, and getting better all the time. Because of the mechanisms of fossilization, only about 3% of the worlds' species have been represented. This still gives us a pretty good overall picture of Life on Earth, but still just a rough outline. The problem with ideas like these is that they exist to fill a gap in understanding. As that gap closes, the idea becomes more and more preposterous. What Macross 0 did that was interesting for me, was to give a mechanism to the intervention.

The Protoculture didn't create life on Earth, nor introduce humans directly into the world - they altered the process of evolution to result in a desired outcome. Would this really work - no, not likely. Does it address the issue and help suspend one's disbelief? At least somewhat. Am I willing to look past it because I love this series? Yeah!

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The one episode of Futurama handled the whole missing link thing very well.

From the title of the thread all I could think of was this thread might be about an alien dating service (Lack of sleep this morning...)

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The one episode of Futurama handled the whole missing link thing very well.

From the title of the thread all I could think of was this thread might be about an alien dating service (Lack of sleep this morning...)

I honestly wouldn't mind dating a non-micronized Meltrandi.

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I honestly wouldn't mind dating a non-micronized Meltrandi.

The relationship would have to be clearly platonic. Otherwise the logistics of it all would be cumbersome and dangerous to say the least.

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"Is that your boyfriend in your pocket or...?" :)

Regards the human fossil record, I know that its getting better all the time, I'm just trying to point out (and this actually goes for all species) there will probably never be a fossil you can point to and say (in a 1950s public broadcast voice) "And THIS, gentlemen, is the exact moment we stopped trying to eat rocks and invented cuisine!". :lol:

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The relationship would have to be clearly platonic. Otherwise the logistics of it all would be cumbersome and dangerous to say the least.

Death by snu-snu!

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The relationship would have to be clearly platonic. Otherwise the logistics of it all would be cumbersome and dangerous to say the least.

Lol! The vag would pound you! XD

Surprised that nobody has brought up 'Prometheus' yet

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Slightly off topic, but I had to share because I find it hilarious.

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