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I'm not convinced for sure... but I don't know the answer either. Ah well, I doubt I'll put it on anyway.

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I still have the official paint set from when I built the 1/3000... Ordering this one since i sold the 1/3000 and will be painting it to look just like it :)

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Color pics are up!

Sorry, but the more I look at it, the more I like my Yellow Sub version better.

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May be the sculpt of the Yellow Submarine is better than this, but I really like the details and panelling of Hasegawa's. I have the Yellow Submarine too (G-System edition), but I want to have a Hase anyway, I hope to build both someday to compare them with my own eyes.

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Yeah from comparison with pics of the Yamato 1:3000 online I'd say this Hasegawa version has a 'smoother' look to it overall - less knobbly.

Some really good pics of a build up of the Yamato 1:3000 to compare to the colour pics posted above can be found here. As an example :

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Edited by Chas

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There are quite a few differences in detail and proportions between the Hasegawa, Yellow Sub (now hobby base), and Yamato versions.

I built the Yellow Sub version a long time ago and loved it's detail. Have the Yamato build version but not built it yet but have peaked at it and think it's detail is better than the Yellow Subs.

Having seen the Hasegawa version pictures, I think Yamato and Yellow Sub have more detail and have more of an "Anime" look to them while the Hasegawa has a more of a "technical" look.

Having said that, the Hasegawa allows me to purchase many kits for the what I paid for just one of the others so I can play and not worry so much about messing up while buying more to replace if I need to without them selling out so fast, and it's plastic! Easier to mod (think lighting), and will also allow some of our favorites to give us some PE and maybe even some other details/upgrades.

Some good comparison points between all three are the shoulders and knees.

Here are some links to compare all three

Yellow Sub (couldn't find a better link, maybe someone can supply one that has closer pics with more detail)

Hasegawa

And the link from Chas for Yamato's version

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I am ashamed to say I never noticed that the ARMD 1 and ARMD 2 are mirror images of each other. I always thought they were the same type of ship. Can't say I understand the point of having 2 ships that area virtually identical only the layout and structures are opposites.

Chris

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I am ashamed to say I never noticed that the ARMD 1 and ARMD 2 are mirror images of each other. I always thought they were the same type of ship. Can't say I understand the point of having 2 ships that area virtually identical only the layout and structures are opposites.

Chris

One could say the same about a transforming ship. Nevertheless, it's to make the Storming Attacker Form of the SDF-1 more balanced.

(That said, it isn't completely unheard of in reality. Car makers switching the internal layout for right-hand or left-hand drive countries).

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Yeah I know..... :)

It just for some reason bugs me.....it would be like the navy building a Nimitz class carrier with the angled flight deck to the left and island on the right (as they are) and then building some with decks angled to the right and Islands on the left. Don't know why it bugs me, it just does...but ...it is what it is and doesn't make me hate it or anything. It's just one of those things I guess.

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Yeah I know..... :)

It just for some reason bugs me.....it would be like the navy building a Nimitz class carrier with the angled flight deck to the left and island on the right (as they are) and then building some with decks angled to the right and Islands on the left. Don't know why it bugs me, it just does...but ...it is what it is and doesn't make me hate it or anything. It's just one of those things I guess.

I can appreciate your sentiments.

The other thing that came to mind while composing the previous post was that I've yet to come across anything to indicate if the ARMD-02 (the one with the island/flight deck switched) is a one off, or if there are others like it.

More specifically, the 1st ARMD-02 was destroyed, and a replacement was made, but this is where we hit the muddy waters of Macross: it's unclear if the 2 ARMD being mentioned are the movie version, or if the initial one was the TV series version, and it was later replaced by the movie version. And then we get the Macross Frontier complication of the ARMD-L and ARMD-R being essentially two, totally different ships! Muddy waters...

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Lol!

I know exactly what you are saying Sketchley. After noticing the difference, I started reading up on the ARMD's and there is no mention of the ARMD 2 type hull, probably one of The reasons why the difference bugs me....it's an anomaly that isn't even acknowledged.

Chris

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I like the ARMD versions, they make sense being left and right. Is the SDF called "Storm Attacker" still when it has ARMDs? Or is that reserved for the Daedelus/Prometheus combination.

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It's not like the Japanese don't already have a history of building carriers with mirrored layouts - the Akagi and Hiryu had their islands on the port side, rather than the normal starboard. It turned out not to be the best idea ever (single propeller aircraft usually want to pull left due to torque, and having the island on the right means the aircraft won't easily fly into it. Having it on the other side means you have to actively avoid crashing into it...), but with spacecraft and torque-neutral fighters (twin engines), it's a different story.

While the announcement of this kit is welcome, I'm really really hoping that we're going to get some more Macross ships out of Hasegawa at some point, BTW. The Macross itself has been done over and over, if not in injection molded plastic before - what I really want to see is some "modern" era ships, like the New Macross class carrier (with all its variations); the Uraga and Guantanamo escort carriers, Northampton frigates, and those cruisers from Frontier we never really got a name for (IIRC).

Also, if they really do make a New Macross carrier, I'm pretty much certain that someone, somewhere, is going to end up posting photos of their scratchbuilt city section that mates with it. :)

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Agreed. We never really got a nicely detailed TV SDF-1 though. There have been kits, sure. But none of then come close to the sort of detail that's present in all the DYRL variants we've been seeing in recent years.

Not that it's the thread for it, but I'm still holding out hope for a hasegawa VF-27, option parts variants for the Messiah series, as well as ghosts and VF-171 model kits as well. They've covered every Macross series except 7 and I'm guessing never release all examples of the show at once.

So I'm still hoping we'll see more from this, as well as the frontier line, in the next year or so.

Does anyone know how long it was between YF-19, YF-21, and then VF-11 releases?

EDIT:

YF-19 release March, 2002.

YF-21 released November, 2002.

VF-11B released June, 2011.

So there's 9 years between start and finish of Plus, alone. Might have to wait a bit!

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They've covered every Macross series except 7 and I'm guessing never release all examples of the show at once.

You've got a few options for 7. They did release Max's VF-22, the VE-11 Thunderseeker, and the Super VF-11 could be built as a C, with proper FAST pack nozzles and gunpod.

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True, I should have clarified that they hadn't completely covered 7. No VF-19, no VF-17 for example.

But point taken.

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No VF-19, no VF-17

That would be the icing for me.

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We'll probably see the rest of the VFs eventually, as long as people keep buying the existing ones enough to keep their manufacture profitable. The easiest ones to make that we haven't gotten at this point would be Messiah variants, the crank-winged VF-19s (wasn't there already an M:TR release with different wings, or am I dreaming?), the Messiah variants, and after they've made a Super Messiah, that souped up YF-19 that Isamu uses in Wings of Goodbye with the Messiah super parts.

The VF-27 will probably be the next basic VF type though, and hopefully we'll get that nifty YF-27 from Macross The Ride at some point. That thing was almost cooler than the actual Lucifer. :)

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Pre-ordered mine from HLJ last night, can't wait!! B))

I think if sales are really good for this kit, Hasegawa will make a TV version as well.

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Are there any other differences between the tv SDF-1 and the movie SDF-1 besides the Prometheus and Daedalus vs. ARMD's and color?

Chris

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Much like a Thompson M1A1 & Thompson M1928 SMG look very similar they are also quite different, same goes for the Macross.

Structurally the TV SDF-1 is a simpler design, larger bridge, Shoulders & cannons, less boosters and the legs have far less details and compartments while the DYRL version is a more rugged design and smaller bridge which IMO makes this SDF-1 appear bigger, legs have window compartments where the city is located, shoulders & railguns are upgraded too. The feet are a bit different and thrusters as well between the two ships. Main guns definitely vary in design,

As a Macross purist, I'm not a fan of the TV SDF-1 with the ARMD's attached... its one or the other for me. B))

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The bridge is pretty different. The DYRL version is tiny and offset to the side, whilst the TV one is bigger and more centered. I also think there's a big difference in the main gun section as well.

Someone will hopefully come along and post pics soon to illustrate those and other differences.

EDIT: like 505th's just now. ;)

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It's the difference between shoestring TV production and Movie budget; think TOS Enterprise vs. Motion Picture Refit 1701... the same, but different.

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The bridge is pretty different. The DYRL version is tiny and offset to the side, whilst the TV one is bigger and more centered. I also think there's a big difference in the main gun section as well.

I think you have it reversed... on the TV version, the Bridge was offset to the side until the ship transformed into storm attacker mode... in DYRL, the bridge remained centered regardless of the mode. ;)

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Right you are! I should have seen that by looking at the pictures, right above my post!

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I only just got to look at the painted up pics for that kit. It's... very odd. It's like a fourth interpretation of the SDF-1. I've never been a DYRL variant fan but I can say both the Yamato and Yellow Submarine versions LOOK like what is seen in DYRL. Being an SDFM fan this has all of the straight, hard lines and flat surfaces but with the overall design of the DYRL version. It's strange to look at. I think someone at Hase just needs to make the SDFM version.

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I agree with the 1/350 kits, that would be AWESOME! I'm the guy who mastered the Monster in the same scale along with Regult, Spartan and VF-1J. Yeti has sold a couple and the reentry pod has Results in it. I'm signing up with Hase too! - MT

I agree with the 1/350 kits, that would be AWESOME! I'm the guy who mastered the Monster in the same scale along with Regult, Spartan and VF-1J. Yeti has sold a couple and the reentry pod has Results in it. I'm signing up with Hase too! - MT

I remember, your work is legend IMHO... B))

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Much like a Thompson M1A1 & Thompson M1928 SMG look very similar they are also quite different, same goes for the Macross.

Structurally the TV SDF-1 is a simpler design, larger bridge, Shoulders & cannons, less boosters and the legs have far less details and compartments while the DYRL version is a more rugged design and smaller bridge which IMO makes this SDF-1 appear bigger, legs have window compartments where the city is located, shoulders & railguns are upgraded too. The feet are a bit different and thrusters as well between the two ships. Main guns definitely vary in design,

As a Macross purist, I'm not a fan of the TV SDF-1 with the ARMD's attached... its one or the other for me. B))

It is interesting to see the different kit mfgr's interpretations of the line art. Hasegawa has the cannon booms inserted into the main superstructure, while the Yellow Submarine version is more attached to the front, similar to how the TV version is drawn. It's as if Hasegawa felt the cannon booms needed to rotate inside rather than as part of the superstructure.

I'm intrigued... B))

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Much like a Thompson M1A1 & Thompson M1928 SMG look very similar they are also quite different, same goes for the Macross.

Structurally the TV SDF-1 is a simpler design, larger bridge, Shoulders & cannons, less boosters and the legs have far less details and compartments while the DYRL version is a more rugged design and smaller bridge which IMO makes this SDF-1 appear bigger, legs have window compartments where the city is located, shoulders & railguns are upgraded too. The feet are a bit different and thrusters as well between the two ships. Main guns definitely vary in design,

As a Macross purist, I'm not a fan of the TV SDF-1 with the ARMD's attached... its one or the other for me. B))

I just noticed that the TV version has two large turrets on the top that aren't on the DYRL version....

Can anyone tell if they've been moved vs removed? Discounting the ARMD weapons, I think it's kinda funny if the TV version was slightly more heavily armed.

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I just noticed that the TV version has two large turrets on the top that aren't on the DYRL version....

Can anyone tell if they've been moved vs removed? Discounting the ARMD weapons, I think it's kinda funny if the TV version was slightly more heavily armed.

I don't think they were moved, just a different design.

Here are both with as close a perspective I could find for reference, just to see the differences between the two.

Images are from Macross Mecha Manual

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The turrets on the top of the ship circled in red is what I was referring to. I interpret that as a "guided converging beam cannon." In the TV version, there is a turret on the shoulder that I do not think is a converging beam cannon. In the DYRL version, the shoulder cannon is replaced with a guided converging beam cannon turret. Although smaller, it seems those two big ones on the top were moved to the shoulder for the DYRL version.

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