Arcadia 1/60 Perfect Transformation VF-0D for 2015

[derex3592]

So I finished Zero last night. Kinda weird.. .didn't really care for how the alien Birdman thing had to take out BOTH main bad guy/girl. They couldn't have let Roy get at least one of them??? I mean come on..it's Focker! ...Anyyywhooo.....Don't think I'll want to watch it again really. Weakest entry in my book of the series so far...behind 7 even. On to Frontier I suppose if I can find a good rip somewhere.

[Gakken85]

The ending is weak.. but almost every anime has a weak ending.

[Sandman]

So I finished Zero last night. Kinda weird.. .didn't really care for how the alien Birdman thing had to take out BOTH main bad guy/girl. They couldn't have let Roy get at least one of them??? I mean come on..it's Focker! ...Anyyywhooo.....Don't think I'll want to watch it again really. Weakest entry in my book of the series so far...behind 7 even. On to Frontier I suppose if I can find a good rip somewhere.

Yeah that is the thing that bugs me the most about Zero. The "villians" don't get taken out by our heroes. Ivanov especially should've been taken out by Roy.

[arrow]

they should rectify that and do an additional episode since they did that with sdmtv and flashback.

[Reïvaj]

Or a film, as usual.

[Scream Man]

Eh, I like it fine as is.

[Loop]

Macross is always about love between two different cultures though. The priests that use magic and normal humans being in place of human marrying an alien in sdfm. You get used to it. It's not gundam show. Magick is linked to technology. Actually it does help to make aliens more mysterious. Remember that scene in DRYL where the atlantean civilisation's island rose up from the oceans? It's always had an element of mystery.

Personally I never equated anything in Zero as "magic". I took it as Sarah Nome having strong enough song energy/genetics to activate the scattered protoculture tech that was all over the islands and sunken beneath the ocean. From the islanders perspective the protoculture influenced the islanders religious views which again makes some viewers think of magic/religion. If you look at ancient Greece, a lot of the tech was seen as magic or even acts of god.

[skullmilitia]

Personally I never equated anything in Zero as "magic". I took it as Sarah Nome having strong enough song energy/genetics to activate the scattered protoculture tech that was all over the islands and sunken beneath the ocean. From the islanders perspective the protoculture influenced the islanders religious views which again makes some viewers think of magic/religion. If you look at ancient Greece, a lot of the tech was seen as magic or even acts of god.

Bingo, as I've said in the past, if you don't get "Zero", it's because you haven't correctly equated yourself

With all the story's.

[Mizicke5273]

Hmm, that thought process shines a whole new light on Zero. It's been years since I watched it, actually I never watched all the movies back to back. I only ever watched them individually as they were originally released. Which was what several months apart? Bought time for a re-watch!

[Loop]

I know a lot of people hate Macross 7, but Dr. Chiba's experiments sheds a bit more light on song energy. Even DYRL demonstrates the power of song energy, but in a different way.

[EXO]

Yeah that is the thing that bugs me the most about Zero. The "villians" don't get taken out by our heroes. Ivanov especially should've been taken out by Roy.

This.

Personally I never equated anything in Zero as "magic". I took it as Sarah Nome having strong enough song energy/genetics to activate the scattered protoculture tech that was all over the islands and sunken beneath the ocean. From the islanders perspective the protoculture influenced the islanders religious views which again makes some viewers think of magic/religion. If you look at ancient Greece, a lot of the tech was seen as magic or even acts of god.

People just call it "magick" as a poke at the protoculture tech, as to say it doesn't really belong there. It belongs there, but generally slowed down a pretty good pace, IMO. (IMO, means don't get your panties in a bunch <- some people need that disclaimer on this site.)

[Scream Man]

the main criticism of Zero is the one stated above: Roy didn't actually beat Ivanov. given we had seen... what 4 skirmishes before that one? They deserved to close that one out properly.

[skullmilitia]

the main criticism of Zero is the one stated above: Roy didn't actually beat Ivanov. given we had seen... what 4 skirmishes before that one? They deserved to close that one out properly.

I think you were meant to take that Roy couldn't beat Ivanov, if Nora hadn't been killed Ivanov would have eventually beat Roy.

He was handing his ass to him, so I doubt Roy would have suddenly out shined him.

Before I start a war, I mean that Roy's limitation with the Zero's faults.

Edited April 13, 2014 by skullmilitia

[Sandman]

The way Nora died was silly too.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Personally I never equated anything in Zero as "magic". I took it as Sarah Nome having strong enough song energy/genetics to activate the scattered protoculture tech that was all over the islands and sunken beneath the ocean. From the islanders perspective the protoculture influenced the islanders religious views which again makes some viewers think of magic/religion. If you look at ancient Greece, a lot of the tech was seen as magic or even acts of god.

Yes but it's magic to us human scientists who can't 100% explain how it works though. That's why in the tv series the crew wasn't aware of all the secrets of the protoculture ship's abilities. EG the ship being programmed to just fire automatically by itself as a trap for the pursing enemy. The priestess use magic to communicate to one another. I distinctly remember mental telepathy being used in the show. Macross is still science fiction but magic or paranormal abilities or unexplained/otherworldy science is in it too. Some people don't like that stuff. IE flying around on rocks using levitation etc even though they can accept it in things like star wars (yoda using the force to lift ship) or gundam. (the psychics being considered the evolved superior race and using the psychic intuition to win fights) But you never hear them complain in that instance.

Remember people the SDF-1 is not a human ship. It is reversed engineered from an ancient advanced race who probably were too smart for their own good. The magick makes sense because it is explained as alien tech by races much older wiser than the humans. So yes flying on rocks might seem weird but not out of place considered the giant floating spaceship with artificial gravity in the freakin show lol. If the islanders were descendants of these beings with the secret task of guarding the land's secrets from the white man from getting the knowledge for themselves to use for thier own warlike purposes, then it makes sense they would have magick ability or some mind-power to get the living machines to act o their behalf (using various sensors to detect psychic waves coming from the priestesses who handed the knowledge from generation to generation) . Just as we can talk to vending machines to give us a cola or take a picture and the robot servant serves us but just a more advanced version of it with doomsday weapons in them. (ie it possibly identifies you by your bloodlines and then only obeys the priestess to ensure warlike cultures can't wipe out the PC and steal the kowledge)

I'm not against 'magick' or whatever you wish to call it. But what I mean about 'mystery' is that the PC are like an alantiean legend from the distant past that normal scientists by humans can think of as just a legend from their perspective since it was long ago and forgotten with no one to tell the tale. (extinction event!) The zentradi themselves were not aware of thier origins accept for the big bald guy who told the listeners not to leak information about the mysterious origins of the zentradi to outsiders. In other words we are not supposed to understand in great detail who they (PC the inventors of genetically modified giants) exactly were. It's a forgotten time. They could have been so far advanced that they were like actual wizards who could do anything they felt like for all we know. And so just because the show doesn't explain how the tech works does not mean there is no explanation to a much more advanced race who CAN (through more advanced brains than ours) understand it. To us they would be like Gods. In the same way animals might be less advanced than humans, humans would be like animals to the ancient PC when they were in their prime. So if they did stuff that looked like magick (antigravity engines iside the SDF-01) but wasn't, it would be described by us as magick with no explanation to how it worked since we are not smart enough to figure it out. Exactly why in SDFM the engines to lift the ship tore through the hull of the machine. It's mysterious to US,(primitive monkeys) but not the PC. (the inventors/wizards) Wizards = wise men.

After all the knowledge was lost from the extinction of the PC, the humans/PC had to go through an age where we devolve a bit and lose sciences much like the people in Mad Max movies where there are no guns or bombs or mass produced items in common place anymore ad everyone becomes savages to survive. So the lost knowledge due to wars, makes everyone dumb again. The legends and myths about a better time where we fell out of paradise are over time forgotten and thought of by cynical adults in later generations as bullshit stories to tell children as entertainment, but were in fact based in truth. However the government has kept it secret to control the flow of information to the public and instead uses that knowledge to further its own agenda. (ie make sophisticated weapons by weaponising the alien sciences and hiding it from others) Knowledge is power. The humans and aliens are both warlike. There is no good or bad side as we learn in the end since humans fought world war 3 before the ship hit earth in crash landing. It's just powers competing for control. The only reason world war 3 stopped was so the governments could combine thier resources and devote their time to understanding the alien ship. Not because we love each other so much.

As for song energy, this isn't in the original tv series. It was just the aliens remembering that they had in their memory some idea about what culture was before they were brainwashed into being fulltime soldiers with no sex, no time off from work, or time to do creative things that are original and new ( like invent, create their own original music, paintings or other forms of expression to identify themselves with) instead of destroying stuff. Creating and producing something of value to society is better than killing and nothing else. Hearing music basically unlocked* a dormant memory in thier brains much like smelling something that you haven't smelled in a while reminds you of something from your childhood that you thought you had forgotten. It didn't have song energy in old shows. The sequels kind of went into more fantasy than sci-fi.

*my guess is that the zentradi were mindcontrolled or brainwashed into fearing music or sex in the same way the clone soldiers in prequel trilogy star wars were fed the lie by the sith lord that the jedi are must be assassinated to save the republic. Similarly Zentradi are told/taught it (the songs, sex, not fighting) can harm you. So that's why when minmay sings they are distracted and afraid. It is their mind controlled reaction by the protoculture to fear it in order to keep them focused ONLY on being a soldier not a person with emotions, feelings, love, compassion etc. The irony was that it could be used to make them lose concentration on fighting not the other way around as it was intended to do by the brainwashers. It's not really "sound energy". That was added later for kids. In SDFM the zentradi were just as interested or disgusted by recordings as they were live music. Like if you showed them porno it would have the same effect as them being touched by a female.

Edited April 13, 2014 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[Isamu Dyson]

I think you were meant to take that Roy couldn't beat Ivanov, if Nora hadn't been killed Ivanov would have eventually beat Roy.

He was handing his ass to him, so I doubt Roy would have suddenly out shined him.

Before I start a war, I mean that Roy's limitation with the Zero's faults.

I don't think your starting any war here. I would like to believe that Roy wasn't in his prime during the Zero years. If one wants to start a war, one only needs to post a hate comment about M7. If one wants to go off topic in the toys section, one only needs to mention about Destroids. If there is nothing new to talk about, these 2 topics are always entertaining for me to read when they come about every so often.

Zero was really refreshing for me to watch. I actually liked it quite a bit. My only gripe was that it felt incomplete and rushed near the end. I might just pick this bird up. Just hope it's not priced past the $300 mark.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

It's simpler in transformation. Just a giant 1/60 VF-1. (VF-0 is about the size of 1/48 vf-1) Hardly any new work to do aside from the wings being different. lol

And less complex than VF-1 since its hands don't retract into the forearms. I hope they make this cheap.

Edited April 13, 2014 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[skullmilitia]

I hope they make this cheap.

I hope that I can Teleport

There, now we are both going to be let down.

[Scream Man]

Look it won't be cheap, but I hope it's not as bad as the 19. Or worse.

[jenius]

Hopefully the manner of construction makes a VF-0S and VF-0A easy to produce so those potential sales can take the edge off the VF-0D MSRP. Unfortunately, I don't think there's any market for a non-canon VF-0 market so if I'm Arcadia three variants would be all I'd budget for. Fortunately, the 0 overall seems to be a simpler design than the 19 so hopefully that means fewer parts and that further drives down the price. So, I'll put my vote in for cheaper than the YF-19 but not by much.

[Scream Man]

Hopefully the manner of construction makes a VF-0S and VF-0A easy to produce so those potential sales can take the edge off the VF-0D MSRP. Unfortunately, I don't think there's any market for a non-canon VF-0 market so if I'm Arcadia three variants would be all I'd budget for. Fortunately, the 0 overall seems to be a simpler design than the 19 so hopefully that means fewer parts and that further drives down the price. So, I'll put my vote in for cheaper than the YF-19 but not by much.

Id buy some! Some of the Navy schemes in the Masterfile are awesome!

But in terms of canon: 0S Skull 1, 0A Shin, 0A CF and the 0D Shin are it right?

And in terms of shared parts; Base of the tail/backpack area, the arms and legs. Other than that the 0D and the other fighters are different I think

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

i personally loved zero bc after getting away from the vf-1 valk design in the other series, the spirit of the vf-1 came back in the form of the vf-0. i was so happy. i loved every minute of it. the only thing i hated was that they didn't show that mac monster more and i was hoping it would be longer than 5 episodes.

the vf-0d is so cool looking. i'm glad they are finishing off what was rumored to be in production by yamato. it's good to have more valks.

[Mommar]

Given what the cost of the original Zero was, nearly $200, I'd wager it will cost somewhere between what the VF-19 and VF-17 were. $230-$280 range.

[Valkyrie2008]

I'm I the only one that does not like the 0D?

But I will get try to aquire one just to complete my collection of 0s.

[slaginpit]

Where are the pre-orders?

[Mommar]

Where are the pre-orders?

It doesn't come out for another year dude, they'll likely start in late October/early November just like the YF-19 did.

[Guest davidwhangchoi]

I'm I the only one that does not like the 0D?

Is it the shape of the wings?

[Valkyrie2008]

Is it the shape of the wings?

Yeah, it's the wings.

But I love the 0A, especially Shin's paint scheme, cause it resemble a low-vis valk.

[David Hingtgen]

Id buy some! Some of the Navy schemes in the Masterfile are awesome!

But in terms of canon: 0S Skull 1, 0A Shin, 0A CF and the 0D Shin are it right?

There's also the 0D CF, which use medium-dark grey in place of the blue of Shin's.

[charger69]

There is 0B also >> D with A/S wings

[Ignacio Ocamica]

The VF-0B is my favorite, hope Arcadia releasese it.

[David Hingtgen]

Hasegawa kits count as canon now? That's the only reference I know of for the 0B.

[1/1 LowViz Lurker]

Look it won't be cheap, but I hope it's not as bad as the 19. Or worse.

It could be cheap. Remember the VF-0 is just the same toy as before. Not really much new work needs to be done. If they make it expensive it will only be to see how far they can take the wallet rape before people stop buying. (ie they testing us to see what the market is like - ie how desperate people are, and not due to it being a more high cost toy to produce compared to say vf-19 and yf-19 which are whole new toys that they never did before)

The only thing is it wasn't as popular as a show/miniseries so maybe that will cause them to make such limited number that it requires they go the wallet rape route?

Edited April 15, 2014 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

[jenius]

You seem to be assuming this toy will share any thing with the old mold and I suspect that's not true.

[skullmilitia]

Are really doing this again? ( not talking to you Jenius )

It's a completely new mold, 100% no reused parts.

Now let's discuss things that aren't already known...