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Preordered with Big In Japan. :)

Never done business with them before, so I hope it goes smoothly.

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So how are preorders going? Is Arcadia able to profit off this release now that people have had time to learn about this toy being made?

I ask because I will probably buy a repaint in another scheme rather than 2 yf-19 in the usual mac plus anime paint scheme.

If this does well enough I hope they get around to doing vf-0 phoenix with reactive armor set. Or VF-11C with the full armour and giant gunpod. (maybe they can retro actively reduce the size for the toy version)

My view of the high cost is this:

if you want really good quality, just pay the high cost and tell hundreds of your friends about macross to grow the fanbase so they will spend money buyiig toys too. The bigger the pool of people buyig the easier time toy companies have selling because there are more people to sell to. Eventually they can drop price afrer the hardcore fans have absorbed the high initial cost to produce it, and then later gradually sell to casual fans with less desire for it (or poor guys who can't save up in time to buy it at full price because of lack of money)

Unlike transformers, this is merchandise of really old forgotten anime shows that older people remember, not aimed at children where you can see cartoons on tv of the toys constantly. (ie the cartoon is the ad for the toy so it's easier to sell a toy if people can see what the characters are all about and recognise them in a store)

TF has the advantage of selling to more overall people so the risk just isn't as high as old mecha shows for aging sci fi nerds who have more income than a kid. It's just not a fair comparison imo. True they are just toys and they both transform. But if macross had a regular saturday morning show which constantly gets exposure to a mass audience all the time and also new shows after the old shows are over, then it might be a different story. ie The characters and machines would be instantly recognisable to the average joe on the street, the masses of fans would be larger, and the risk to making merchandise for it becomes far less risky.

That's the main issue here.

If arcadia had the license to a new macross show, and that show was currently showing, they could probably afford to make larger numbers of the toys, (higher demand when a series is current) and reduce the price in anticipation of having more people to sell the toys to. (both kids and adults and anything in-between)

It seems yamato/acrcadia is a brand mostly known for catering to the older fan who has trouble finding new toys of old respected shows of the past. If the fanbase for older stuff is small, then that natural result is those fans having to fork out a lot more money to get the toys of these things to sustain the company making it since it is more risky to make new toys based on characters/mecha from older series. However the advantage of that is you are closer to your hardcore fanbase (ie you can listen to their criticism) and that is where companies can listen to feedback from their buyers who naturally will get ignored by bigger companies that have larger IP that they can mine for money. (fans are loyal to that company more than the big company that might only put in a half-assed effort)

If say you think "optimus prime's paint apps are crappy" in the latest release of masterpiece optimus prime, you are less likely to have anything done about it in future since so many people (casual fans) who don't complain about that stuff are still going to buy the optimus masterpiece with crap paint apps.

But if you have a small dedicated fanbase who cares about small details, the company is much more likely to care since they rely a lot on their support just to survive. They can't fall back on the casual fans who wil accept only ok quality. This results in overall much better toys since they have to outdo themselves constantly just to get existing fans to rebuy the next best thing around the corner. A big company which can profit from many different properties may not need to improve the products to keep profiting and the quality for the next release might actually be worse than the previous one. (they reason that people may still buy it if the quality dropped a little bit which only the hardcore people would notice who can be safely ignored) If it was a smaller company they don't have this option as it relies on smaller but dedicated fanbase who pay premium for their product.

Edited by 1/1 LowViz Lurker

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Guest davidwhangchoi

3rd batch of reservations of yf-19 closed on arcadia's site. a sign that it's selling well for arcadia as a company? I think arcadia will be open to mr. k's suggestions for new molds he proposes in the future. hopefully he'll have more freedom to get the projects he wants approved.

http://arcadia.ac/products/detail.php?gid=126

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Is it a sign of anything? I mean, hopefully this bodes well, but how do we actually know?

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Is it a sign of anything? I mean, hopefully this bodes well, but how do we actually know?

it says sold out currently... on twitter arcadia stated that it was unexpected demand that they reopened a second time for reservation slots and that closed out before as well. this is the third time they opened slots that closed. i think it could be a positive sign for the company and give them an early indication of the numbers for "the built to orders"

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--snip--

I assume if Macross was a Saturday morning television show phenomenon then Arcadia would never be able to produce any toys at all because Bandai would grab the license and never let it go (or, god beware, HG and Toynami would produce merchandise that is worse then retail TFs).

It is a walk on the razor's edge basically. Now the older Macross shows are not very recognized which allows small companies to make excellent but pricey collectibles for the few fans that value the quality of the pieces over the price. The alternative would be a lot of o.k. toys for kids and a collector line (dare I say Toynami Masterpiece?) that brings once in a while some old beloved character back. I'm not even sure that it would work that way for Macross because in the TF universe the cast will mostly stay the same. *hugs Rodimus Convoy*

So I prefer the small collector fan base and I love the quality of the toys but it is dangerous when the products are as expensive as the new YF-19 because then the market might be too small to make a profit out of it. I don't know how merchandise would look like if Macross where like Transformers but I have to say when I held my first TF Masterpiece in hands I was a little shocked and disappointed about the quality of the toy. My first high end Macross toy was (and is) pure joy having it in my collection.

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I'm sure that's good news regarding the preorders. More 19s sold, brighter future for Arcadia and us.

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I assume if Macross was a Saturday morning television show phenomenon then Arcadia would never be able to produce any toys at all because Bandai would grab the license and never let it go (or, god beware, HG and Toynami would produce merchandise that is worse then retail TFs).

It is a walk on the razor's edge basically. Now the older Macross shows are not very recognized which allows small companies to make excellent but pricey collectibles for the few fans that value the quality of the pieces over the price. The alternative would be a lot of o.k. toys for kids and a collector line (dare I say Toynami Masterpiece?) that brings once in a while some old beloved character back. I'm not even sure that it would work that way for Macross because in the TF universe the cast will mostly stay the same. *hugs Rodimus Convoy*

So I prefer the small collector fan base and I love the quality of the toys but it is dangerous when the products are as expensive as the new YF-19 because then the market might be too small to make a profit out of it. I don't know how merchandise would look like if Macross where like Transformers but I have to say when I held my first TF Masterpiece in hands I was a little shocked and disappointed about the quality of the toy. My first high end Macross toy was (and is) pure joy having it in my collection.

This... and This... and This...

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My first ever Macross collectible (I had no Macross toy in my childhood :mellow: ) was 1/60 SV-51... Imagine my excitement :D

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Yup, bunch of pages back. All kinds of pics posted. Even the ones from a display shot by a MWer? I think.

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Arcadia has paid so much attention to every detail in this release, so surely they wouldn't reuse the same type of joint they KNOW is seriously flawed.

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Maybe they don't know it's flawed? Enough people on here tell me that's still the case.

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Did Yamato ever acknowledge the joint problem before they went bust? It's not something that's widespread and not something many would notice. I honestly did not know about this problem until it got mentioned here because I rarely leave my 19's in gerwalk.

Time for someone to ask MrK about it.

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I specifically asked someone here who speaks Japanese if they could ask Mr. K about the ankles a few pages back.

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I specifically asked someone here who speaks Japanese if they could ask Mr. K about the ankles a few pages back.

I think it was before skullmitia started stalking MrK on twitter so I don't remember if anyone did ask him about it.

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Ok, I'll get back to asking questions!

thanks! we got some good info from the questions. (except your interpretations of mistranslations... you can leave that out. lol)

i'm wondering about the feet as well...

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Please let them be improved balljoints at least :(

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for those who like digging for every tidibit of info about the upcoming yf-19 esp if you're one who shelled 300+ to pre-order,

the yf-19 developer's diary has been updated yesterday. i didn't post... figured someone would since we got a lot of hawks watching twitter.

http://arcadia.ac/yf19/diary/02/index.php

even if you don't have a translator take a look at the pictures.

  • discussing about the hiding the gap between the knee solutions

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  • the color DATA shown in illustrations on the 19 and the process discussed to find the correct shade and adjustments

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  • first release of the 19 to the public shared in diary (Wonder Festival July 2013)

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  • upcoming in the future: the diary will have test shots photos of the 19 w/ adjustments to the color
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I find it interesting in attempt to close the dark gap in the knee joint in fighter they've elected to us a black plastic tab. The overall effect doesn't seem to actually fix anything. It would make more sense to color that tab tan like the rest of fighter.

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