Jump to content
SCOOPUDA!

Arcadia YF-19 coming in 2014

Recommended Posts

I was able to get the .svg plugin to work, just needed a slightly older version of sketchup.  Been playing with the Sculpteo site settings now, it's pretty simple.

Looking like metal is going to be rather expensive, and I might need to tweak the tolerances, but they offer 2 mm POM as a material, and I can get a set of 4 of those for about $12, so I might give them a shot.  Should deliver some time next week, assuming they process correctly.

Edit: So for Sketchup just can't make connected lines in any format it seems.  The site doesn't say it's a problem for POM printing, but it won't do metal that way.

I'll probably have to install some better CAD software instead, I thought I could get away with being lazy. :p  Least I've got the base pattern file drawn up though.  I just need something that does actual curves, and not polylines.

Edited by Chronocidal

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So, after playing CAD hopscotch all day, I finally got the Sculpteo site to accept my patterns.  Ordered one pair in stainless steel, and two pair in POM.  If the POM holds up, that's the way to go, they came out to about $2.50 a piece.

Shipping came out to almost as much as the entire order though, guess that's what you get ordering from France.  I'll probably look at using someone more local in the future.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Sculpteo is also based in the USA, I thought also that their US team was greater than the French one.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'll see if the parts come out useable as-is next week some time.  The POM process requires a 0.13 mm border to give room for the laser, but the metal says it cuts exact sizes, so I might need to clean up the edges of the plastic ones.

In the meantime, I installed the two sets of handmade ones, and they're holding up ok in fighter mode.  Did make one small mistake, and didn't realize that the wingroots use two different sizes of screws, and I made a little bump on top of one wing where the screw tried to go in too far.  It's hidden under the root though, so not a big deal for me.

The plastic I used might be a tiny bit too thick, so I might sand down the plates, but that extra thickness is providing a nice tight sliding action into the wing, so it's not all bad.

Edit:  have to admit, the wings feel a bit wobbly, so some higher strength materials will help, but it's just really satisfying finally being able to do this:

wingfix.jpg

Edited by Chronocidal
  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Finally got this guy after eying it and hearing/seeing/reading so much about it:

Macross_YF-19_DSC04842_zpssthyax9g.jpg

 

It's pretty finicky in Fighter mode, ugly in Gerwalk mode but Robot mode is beautiful and super solid (other than the leg Fast Packs). Really nice figure that will be spending most of its time in Bot mode and probably donating the arsenal that came with it to some other, less armed Valks.

Edited by Slave IV

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I personally prefer fighter mode for pretty much everything, but this one really does shine in battroid.  I do wish they'd opted to make the lower legs slightly longer to lessen the gap around the knee joint, but it's part of what makes battroid so stocky and close to the lineart.

I think fighter mode was done a bit better by the Bandai VF-19 Advanced, but it still made a few compromises for certain details, and while a bit more sturdy, their version of the high speed mode mechanism has the same sloppy alignment issues as this one. 

One thing I didn't think about earlier, the diagrams for sticker placement in the instructions are straight-up CAD renders.  I might scan those in and see about designing an entirely new wing mechanism.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, Slave IV said:

Finally got this guy after eying it and hearing/seeing/reading so much about it:

It's pretty finicky in Fighter mode, ugly in Gerwalk mode but Robot mode is beautiful and super solid (other than the leg Fast Packs). Really nice figure that will be spending most of its time in Bot mode and probably donating the arsenal that came with it to some other, less armed Valks.

Transformation's a breeze, plus battroid & fighter look perfect, well at least compared to the old Yamato.

Bought mine before Bandai's Advanced came out, so at that time it was the best representative of the 19 in toy form. 

Gerwalk is definitely better than Yamato's. IIRC the old version does not lock together well & was a floppy mess especially in the chest area. Well, any fond memories handling Yamato's 19 probably have been erased from my memories anyways.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/20/2017 at 10:23 AM, Slave IV said:

Finally got this guy after eying it and hearing/seeing/reading so much about it:

Macross_YF-19_DSC04842_zpssthyax9g.jpg

 

It's pretty finicky in Fighter mode, ugly in Gerwalk mode but Robot mode is beautiful and super solid (other than the leg Fast Packs). Really nice figure that will be spending most of its time in Bot mode and probably donating the arsenal that came with it to some other, less armed Valks.

I just remembered that for whatever reason, the shoulder pivot joint uses a different shade of tan. Have to go back and check if those are diecast metal rather than plastic since it's not the same shade as the shoulder armor.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, no3Ljm said:

I just remembered that for whatever reason, the shoulder pivot joint uses a different shade of tan. Have to go back and check if those are diecast metal rather than plastic since it's not the same shade as the shoulder armor.

 

They are indeed diecast metal shoulders (the pivoting joint/part).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
40 minutes ago, PsYcHoDyNaMiX said:

They are indeed diecast metal shoulders (the pivoting joint/part).

Thanks! ;)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Reworking this post a bit, since I fiddled with some of the parts, and got them installed.

So, bottom line, the parts came out almost perfectly.  Only minor cleanup was needed on the plastic pieces, and the stainless steel came out extremely nicely, with only a couple small burrs to file away on the edges.  Top is my original, middle is POM, bottom is stainless steel.

IMG_2628.JPG

Sadly, they came out slightly different from my handmade patterns in two ways.

First, the wing pivot somehow shifted a fraction of a millimeter between my pattern and the CAD file, so the wing pivot is slightly too far forward.  However, I'm not sure if that needs to be fixed.  The new location does seem to place the wings at a very slight angle backward (the missiles are barely tipped outward).  But it also caused the wings to be permanently lodged directly against the sides of the legs, leaving them almost entirely without any wiggle room. 

IMG_2625.JPGIMG_2650.JPGIMG_2629.JPG

Second, my patterns were made of more flexible material, and didn't interfere with the legs.  But when I mounted one of the metal brackets, it collided with the side of the leg, causing the wingroot tab not to seat correctly.  I cut away a bit of the inner edge on one set of the POM brackets, and that fixed the problem, so I need to make that change to the Sculpteo files and order a new set of the stainless steel ones, since I don't have the proper tools to make that change on metal parts.

IMG_2631.JPG

On the brighter side of things though, these parts came out nearly ready to use, and fit very nicely in the wingroots.  I very much prefer the metal, since they feel quite a bit more solid than the POM version, and the pivot point inside the wing seemed to work more smoothly.  The metal is just a much cleaner cut than POM.

IMG_2644.JPGIMG_2641.JPG

The parts fit nicely inside the wing, though again, the only way to get it in there is to pry the front edge of the wing apart, and hope it stays glued around the other sides.  It rotates back into a slightly different position from the original swingbars, but I think it's not too far off, and doesn't look bad to me. 

You can also see here why we never got clear lenses on those lights.. there is really no room in there for them.

IMG_2645.JPGIMG_2646.JPGIMG_2649.JPG

If anyone wants to give the existing POM parts a shot, I can post the link, but I'm going to upload a fixed version for the metal brackets soon.  The stainless steel was definitely more expensive, but I think the weight, strength, and fit was just much better feeling compared to the POM copies.

IMG_2647.JPG

Edit: Also tested the fast packs with these brackets installed, didn't cause any interference with the leg packs.

Edited by Chronocidal
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/27/2017 at 9:41 PM, Chronocidal said:

Reworking this post a bit, since I fiddled with some of the parts, and got them installed.

*snip*

Thanks for sharing this Chronocidal. Looks interesting. ;)

Few questions though.

1. Does the new part whether it's POM or Stainless scratch the wing part? Esp the painted part area?

2. Is there any instructions on how to dismantle the wing parts from the hip? Kind of scary to do it though.

3. Can you post more photos on how that new part helps expanding the wing from Fast to Regular mode. Like how it expands from one mode to another.

Thanks! ;)

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I should be clear, this part removes high speed mode as an option.  It just mounts the wing on a stationary pivot, returning it to the way the Yamato YF-19 and VF-19s all had the wings.

Still trying to wrap my head around how to retain that, but I was just sick of my wings flopping all over from sloppy hinges.

As for your other questions though...

1. The new part is cut to pretty tight tolerances, and fits in place of the original swing bar, so it slides inside the wing, and doesn't contact any painted surface.  It might however take a bit of force to push it over the plastic posts in the wing glove and wing, and might scratch them a little.

2. The screws to remove the wing gloves from the hips are relatively easy to get to.  It's the tiny screw cover on the underside that's a trick to get out.  Then you have to remove the original swingbars from the wing, which was easy on mine, but only because the leading edge of the wing wasn't glued down, and they popped out when I spread the wing a bit.  I'm not going to say the process isn't risky.

3. Like I said, the entire point of this part is to remove the high speed option, and make the wings stay put in fighter.  I hope to figure out a full replacement mechanism someday, but I don't think the sort of manufacturing capability I'd need is easily accessible.

Edited by Chronocidal

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Chronocidal said:

I should be clear, this part removes high speed mode as an option.  It just mounts the wing on a stationary pivot, returning it to the way the Yamato YF-19 and VF-19s all had the wings.

Shoot I totally missed this part. Now I remember you already mentioned this before. Sorry about that. ;) 

Thanks also for replying on my questions. I have to think if I follow suit since I still kinda like the High Speed Mode. ^_^ 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I do like the option, if only for the smaller space it takes up with the wings folded back.  I only bit the bullet and modded this one since it was my sloppiest copy.

I saw at least one person break an original swingbar, and a few more expressed interest in just permanently removing the feature, so that's all this fixes. ^_^

I'm fairly certain a completely functional replacement could be made, but it'll take some fancier machining processes.  Even pressing a sort of dimple into the original swingbars might help, it just needs something to lock the wings in place.

Now the trick will be finding a way to fix the Bandai one.. :rolleyes:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Chronocidal said:

I do like the option, if only for the smaller space it takes up with the wings folded back.  I only bit the bullet and modded this one since it was my sloppiest copy.

I saw at least one person break an original swingbar, and a few more expressed interest in just permanently removing the feature, so that's all this fixes. ^_^

I'm fairly certain a completely functional replacement could be made, but it'll take some fancier machining processes.  Even pressing a sort of dimple into the original swingbars might help, it just needs something to lock the wings in place.

Now the trick will be finding a way to fix the Bandai one.. :rolleyes:

Haha. I was waiting for you to come out with a fix for the VF-19 advance ver too

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That's a great fix, but I really need to examine these wings closely to try to make one with the high speed mode. Since I have one already opened, I really don't have any excuse! 

For those on the fence of opening theirs, the wing should have some glue, just take a regular flat screwdriver and make your way inside the wing and pry it gently until the glue cracks. Once opened, you don't really need to glue the wing back together, the screws are sufficient. The glue just make the wing perfectly seamless

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

maybe I'm just lucky or maybe it's because I don't have the MDE and reaction missiles to hang on it but the wings on my DX VF-19 stay in place perfectly fine on their own, unlike my Arcadia which flops out of place just from the weight of the wing itself.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, the DX is better in general, but what's bad is that they recessed the rivets, and since mine have gone floppy, I can't even squeeze them to tighten them.  It's worse than my Arcadia now. :p

I've got a design in mind for a replacement swingbar that adds detents to hold it steady, and it's really just a slight variation on the stock one, but it's something that would take a similar level of manufacturing.

Also, to clarify, the wing glove will hold without glue, but I wouldn't go popping the two halves of the wing apart all the way, if you can avoid it.  It's only screwed at the pivot point, and I don't know if it'll hold just from that.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

might have to try out this next time, as you all remember my YF-19 has a snapped metal bar for 1 of the wings (dropped), and currently my broken wing is just attached into the wing root with hotglue (that will be fun to remove....)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ok, so, far as I can tell, these replacement brackets are ready to go. 

IMG_2659.JPG.5dd24749d9811f2410a7d86e001202bd.JPG

Got my reworked metal ones in the mail yesterday, and after a little deburring with a file, they work great.

I wound up making two versions.  The first is my original bracket that let the wings pivot slightly to bring the weapons parallel.  The second is the accidental change I made, shifting the pivot forward, and locking the wings in place against the legs.

This gif shows how much wiggle room the original bracket leaves for the wings to move.  The second bracket locks the wings in the rear position, leaving the weapons permanently canted outward like a superhornet's.

wiggleroom.gif.8ae31b0538b3ce3935a55750b5480900.gif

So, you can choose.  Have the wings entirely locked in one position, with the hardpoints slightly offline, or leave a little wiggle room for the wings, and let you push the wings forward to keep the weapons straight ahead. 

If you do choose the ones that let you move the wings to line up the weapons, keep in mind that the ease of moving them is entirely up to how tight you make the screws in the wings.  They'll move, yes, but I was able to tighten the screws so that it took a decent push to move them out of line.

For now, I only have the metal versions available, since they cut to actual size.  The POM is much cheaper, but I need to add thickness around all the edges to account for what the laser cutting process will remove.  A pair of either type in stainless steel will run about $20, which seems to be the base price to cut them.

I'll put the links here for anyone to order if they like.  Just be prepared to overpay through the nose for shipping.. the site can't seem to comprehend that I don't need these things shipped overnight by UPS.. <_<  Also, if the materials goof up, you need these cut from 2 mm thickness.

Here's the longer bracket that lets the wings move to align the hardpoints: https://www.sculpteo.com/en/print/metal-bracket-update-2-1/jmPr39Zc?basket=1&noclickredirect=1&uuid=MVA2TH4a3WGG36Z0ZEb3Qb

Here's the one that locks the wings in position with the hardpoints canted outward: https://www.sculpteo.com/en/print/metal-bracket-update-short-1/J5du2hTx?basket=1&noclickredirect=1&uuid=PQH9GYtSc2tocNP1ML9EFe

It'll take some work getting to where these can be installed, but I'm enjoying having at least one YF-19 with wings that don't slop around.

Edited by Chronocidal
  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cross posting this, since it's relevant to the YF-19, but if anyone has lost a neck cover, there's one available at Shapeways now.

https://www.shapeways.com/product/YF9G9K2A3/arcadia19-neck-cover?optionId=62354239

Printed one to test, and works beautifully, shouldn't give you any problems ordering.

neckcover2.jpg.ff6e22523c901da115816b3163fbf5b0.jpg

Edited by Chronocidal

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Heck yes! I just had a recent thread going looking for this neck piece. Person who sold me their YF19 failed to mention it was missing the neck piece. Thank you. Just ordered this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hate to resurrect such an old thread but recently I took my yf-19 down to transform for my niece and I cracked / broke two pieces. Does anybody know where I can replacement parts for these 2 pieces :(

15048997195041313832236.jpg

15048997537941342013204.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know about replacements (someone would have to model the parts in 3D and upload them to Shapeways), but they look repairable with the use of a plastic welder formulated for ABS... look for anything containing methylene chloride.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I sick to wait an official player want do it so a friend and I decided make the vf 19a ravens so we started recast the visor in red 

IMG_5807.jpg

IMG_5811.jpg

IMG_5812.jpg

IMG_5813.jpg

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yes that's the plan and also considering remake the forehead part the rest would be repaint and finally add stickers

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

a little update 

I already clone the forehead part now only remains begin with the paint process

IMG_6164.JPG

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

Another update I tested some parts in blue resin trying to match the raven tone so at this point not know if I should remake all parts or paint job:huh:

IMG_6734.JPG

IMG_6730.JPG

IMG_6729.JPG

IMG_6731.JPG

IMG_6728.JPG

IMG_6732.JPG

Edited by valhary
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
42 minutes ago, valhary said:

Another update I tested some parts in blue resin trying to match the raven tone so at this point not know if I remake all parts or paint job:huh:

*snips* (to save space)

 Good job of casting. Are you gonna cast the whole valk in that resin as I see a few bags of parts in the background.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Are you going to do the Fast Pack as well? or specifically the left leg armor?..... asking for a friend . T_T

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Still thinking because if I recast all parts is gonna take so long but without problems of scratch the paint 

In the other hand the resin is fragile and probably cannot handle a lot of transformations but I think works just fine for display no matter wich mode choose

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×