Bolt Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 57 minutes ago, captain america said: People who have crabs are awesome!! Your inbit crabs are unrivaled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easnoddy Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 This looks like it's part of the crappy Robotech ReAction figures. Or a happy meal or cereal box toy. Why would they put this little effort into it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 hours ago, easnoddy said: Why would they put this little effort into it? I don't think it's a lack of effort... I think it's a lack of talent. We can't all be Captain America, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain america Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 3 hours ago, tekering said: I don't think it's a lack of effort... I think it's a lack of talent. We can't all be Captain America, after all. In fairness to Meptoys, you'd be horrified at just how much liberty a factory can/will take when they tool your designs unless you have people on-site riding the design team like 2$ whore while breathing down their necks and checking on them every 5 minutes. This one time when I was still in the toy business, I had made a sculpt for an original action figure that was then sent to China for sampling. The bloody thing was already sculpted, no guesswork involved or necessary, they just needed to pantograph it... What got back looked nothing like what I'd sent them. It was like going from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Jon Lovitz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight26 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, captain america said: In fairness to Meptoys, you'd be horrified at just how much liberty a factory can/will take when they tool your designs unless you have people on-site riding the design team like 2$ whore while breathing down their necks and checking on them every 5 minutes. This one time when I was still in the toy business, I had made a sculpt for an original action figure that was then sent to China for sampling. The bloody thing was already sculpted, no guesswork involved or necessary, they just needed to pantograph it... What got back looked nothing like what I'd sent them. It was like going from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Jon Lovitz. I'm almost curious to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommar Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 5 hours ago, captain america said: In fairness to Meptoys, you'd be horrified at just how much liberty a factory can/will take when they tool your designs unless you have people on-site riding the design team like 2$ whore while breathing down their necks and checking on them every 5 minutes. This one time when I was still in the toy business, I had made a sculpt for an original action figure that was then sent to China for sampling. The bloody thing was already sculpted, no guesswork involved or necessary, they just needed to pantograph it... What got back looked nothing like what I'd sent them. It was like going from Arnold Schwarzenegger to Jon Lovitz. Do you have any more of these Jon Lovitz action figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain america Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Mommar said: Do you have any more of these Jon Lovitz action figures? No, all that material belongs to the toy company. The point I was trying to make is that you can give a subcontractor EXACTLY what you want (3D sample, blueprints, etc.) and they'll still find a way to f*ck it up. People who know how to do things right seem expensive to the untrained eye, but then when you factor-in multiple re-works and missed shipping windows only to realize that mediocre talent is the most expensive thing you can buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, captain america said: No, all that material belongs to the toy company. The point I was trying to make is that you can give a subcontractor EXACTLY what you want (3D sample, blueprints, etc.) and they'll still find a way to f*ck it up. People who know how to do things right seem expensive to the untrained eye, but then when you factor-in multiple re-works and missed shipping windows only to realize that mediocre talent is the most expensive thing you can buy. Didn't they have signed proofs, etc.? (or is this part and parcel with 'mediocre talent'?) When I was working as a graphic designer at a manufacturing company in Vancouver, we always got signed proofs for the bottle labels (stickers) from the printing subcontractor before they mass produced them. ... admittedly 2D prints of Illustrator and Photoshop files are easier to proof than 3D molds... Edited August 30, 2019 by sketchley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perrych Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, captain america said: No, all that material belongs to the toy company. The point I was trying to make is that you can give a subcontractor EXACTLY what you want (3D sample, blueprints, etc.) and they'll still find a way to f*ck it up. People who know how to do things right seem expensive to the untrained eye, but then when you factor-in multiple re-works and missed shipping windows only to realize that mediocre talent is the most expensive thing you can buy. It is amazing that Chinese factories will screw up a mold and then charge you for the fix, push your work back while they do otherr jobs, force so many redoes, and still US companies claim it is cheaper doing business over there. I can’t help but think of the health of middle managers who are overseeing production as the stress must be terrible -or you would just give up caring. Edited August 30, 2019 by Perrych Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DewPoint Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Strictly based on my experience, to most people their job is just a job. Passion and care for a project is solely based on their personal pride or love for their job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Mingus Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 I think this is a fairly gross generalization. The chinese factories also output our beloved valkeries. I think most of the smaller factories are run by apex capitalist...you send them a sample and they will grab whatever molds they already have try to pass it off, then charge you more to “fix” it if you complain. The middle managers on the NA who are just doing a job don’t really give a crap so they accept the shipments and then wonder why this crap does not sell. If a company cares and finds a good partner, the chinese are capable of doing quality work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Focker Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 From my understanding you pay for different grades of QC. The same factories make goods for multiple companies. A major brand with a rep for quality is going to pay for extra QC and will have their own rep on site while very small operation doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbninja Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Does any one here knows of a good chinese company that create molds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Numbninja said: Does any one here knows of a good chinese company that create molds? I think you'd have better luck closer to home. In addition to what Captain America (and others) have said, you will also have to do deal with extra costs like: translation costs shipping costs wire transfers (starting from $60 USD just to send money. That's $30 for the sending bank, and $30 for the receiving bank, or thereabouts) and then there's the 'fun' stuff like: fluctuating exchange rates fluctuating tariffs and other import duties Edited August 30, 2019 by sketchley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain america Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Darth Mingus said: If a company cares and finds a good partner, the chinese are capable of doing quality work. That. I think the common denominator among the companies that produce the nicest collector toys is that they either have a very effective or longstanding (and maybe both) relationship with their manufactures. One knows what to expect (good and bad) from the other and are capable of resolving the numerous difficulties that arise in the licesnsing/manufacturing process. The talented guys are the most cost efficient/productive and are, in many ways, the glue that keeps the operation from unraveling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoebarry Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Is this Toynami MPC Shadow Beta an extremely rare item? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfly50 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I’m pretty sure this was never released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjoebarry Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 48 minutes ago, mcfly50 said: I’m pretty sure this was never released. Well..... that’s a VERY rare item then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfly50 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Ha. True. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505thAirborne Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 hours ago, sjoebarry said: Is this Toynami MPC Shadow Beta an extremely rare item? Was a damn shame this became Vapoware... would have bought at least three of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqidd Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Hey guys I'm for the most part a Macross collector but because Robotech was such a big part of my childhood I have a soft spot for Ride Armor's and Legioss/Treads. I want to pick up one Legioss/Tread for my collection. But I don't know what to get. What is the best example made? If you could only have one with attractiveness and size (bigger=better) being two big factors what would you get? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazinger Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 You probably want to read through Jenius’s reviews on Anymoon.com. That’s about as detailed while comprehensive of the various releases as anyone needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain america Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On a related note, the 1/12 Motocycle Freak accessories set is available again for a limited time, in case anyone's interested. Just PM me for info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqidd Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mazinger said: You probably want to read through Jenius’s reviews on Anymoon.com. That’s about as detailed while comprehensive of the various releases as anyone needs. After reading through everything the options seem pretty grim. Nothing scores well. Am I wrong that it seems like it's a choice of picking the best of the worst? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti88 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 32 minutes ago, sqidd said: Hey guys I'm for the most part a Macross collector but because Robotech was such a big part of my childhood I have a soft spot for Ride Armor's and Legioss/Treads. I want to pick up one Legioss/Tread for my collection. But I don't know what to get. What is the best example made? If you could only have one with attractiveness and size (bigger=better) being two big factors what would you get? Thanks! Keep an eye out for sentinel’s upcoming legioss shown on prior page. Positive feedback from samples shown so far. no corresponding tread announced tho. Am on the fence abt it, only due to the price point, as other merchandise vying for attention.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tekering Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 40 minutes ago, sqidd said: I want to pick up one Legioss/Tread for my collection. But I don't know what to get. What is the best example made? While Legioss are plentiful, Tread are not... For aesthetics, Toynami is still your best bet. Sentinel's Legioss will undoubtably be a significant improvement, but at a significantly higher price... and a matching Tread is purely hypothetical at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
levzloi Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 42 minutes ago, sqidd said: Hey guys I'm for the most part a Macross collector but because Robotech was such a big part of my childhood I have a soft spot for Ride Armor's and Legioss/Treads. I want to pick up one Legioss/Tread for my collection. But I don't know what to get. What is the best example made? If you could only have one with attractiveness and size (bigger=better) being two big factors what would you get? Thanks! If you want both, and are just looking for a display piece, my recommendation is to go ahead and get the Toynami or Aoshima, the Beta/Tread is a very impressive piece that's pretty well built. The Alpha/Legioss on the other hand is very delicate, and should be handled with kid gloves. I have the red Alpha/Beta, and have them connected with the Alpha in Battloid mode. It looks really good, although I have to pose it looking and firing down at a target ahead and below it because the arms wont stay up. Otherwise I'd wait for the Sentinel like the rest of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqidd Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I think I'll wait. I'm not THAT into it. Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DewPoint Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The MOSPEADA fans here are extremely hopeful that the Sentinel/T-REX design will be the best Legioss ever. There is yet no Tread announcement, but we have seen some difficult to explain connection points on the Legioss samples. The assumption is that if the Legioss sells well the Tread will follow in the future and use those mysterious connection points. T-REX involvement always seems to bump up the retail price for the end product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqidd Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, DewPoint said: The MOSPEADA fans here are extremely hopeful that the Sentinel/T-REX design will be the best Legioss ever. There is yet no Tread announcement, but we have seen some difficult to explain connection points on the Legioss samples. The assumption is that if the Legioss sells well the Tread will follow in the future and use those mysterious connection points. T-REX involvement always seems to bump up the retail price for the end product. That would be great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tekering Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I gather those thumbnails were taken at a modeling exhibit in Osaka...? Sorry, I don't read Chinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tober Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Nor do I, so I don't know. The Facebook page was sent to me by RuskiiVFAussie. The direct link is HERE, I don't know why the embedded one didn't work properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teckno viking Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Now I know this is Not Cannon. However for Unmounted but wearing Rider Armour (hell even on the Mospeada) I think these work Great as Hard Case Backpacks. Has two hard points at the bottom where Sleeping Roll can be attached too. Now If your after them. Simple just a McFarlane Jorge backpack. Turned upside down. Drilled the holes. To attach just drill a hole and add a peg same thickness to the hole in the back of the Ride armour. There you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teckno viking Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 "Oh Crap, Oh Crap, Oh Crap. I hope he didn't see Me!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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