Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Remember? How can anyone reading this thread possibly forget....you keep repeating the same thing every chance you get....LOL Because the questions keep coming up. Plagueis, midichlorians, Force Ghosts... Would you rather I not provide answers to these questions and let some members remain confused? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 It seems the next several films are all tied to the original trilogy or around ANH. I'm hoping Disney will get creative and look at KOTOR for inspiration on more original Star Wars films. You forget; Hollywood isn't creative anymore. It's all about reboots and continuations of franchises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I'd rather have another KotOR game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Because the questions keep coming up. Plagueis, midichlorians, Force Ghosts... Would you rather I not provide answers to these questions and let some members remain confused? But you are not providing any answers, at least not concerning the three topics you listed...it just seems that you are trying to add to the confusion by making it seem that any concepts derived from the prequel trilogy are somehow part of the EU that officially no longer are canon...like it or not, the PT are part of SW canon....so if someone asks a question...answer it based on the available sources....if you can't do that, then you have nothing to offer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 But you are not providing any answers, at least not concerning the three topics you listed...it just seems that you are trying to add to the confusion by making it seem that any concepts derived from the prequel trilogy are somehow part of the EU that officially no longer are canon...like it or not, the PT are part of SW canon....so if someone asks a question...answer it based on the available sources....if you can't do that, then you have nothing to offer.... I did answer them based on available sources, namely JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan, both of whom were integral to the development of this new trilogy. They've said time and again that George did what George did, and that they would never trample on that, but that they were focusing on Star Wars as laid out in the OT. Their concern was to recapture that and build on it. Snoke is not Plagueis because they said he wasn't at SDCC. Never mind Snoke isn't a Muun and was at one point being developed as a female character. Midichlorians were hand-waved away, as they intentionally made the move back toward the more all-inclusive Force as seen in the OT. And Force ghosts are just another of the gaping plot holes Lucas introduced in the prequels, and I can guarantee you these movies aren't going to touch that mess with a ten foot pole. It's how dead Jedi could appear in the OT, so it's how they may appear now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I did answer them based on available sources, namely JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan, both of whom were integral to the development of this new trilogy. They've said time and again that George did what George did, and that they would never trample on that, but that they were focusing on Star Wars as laid out in the OT. Their concern was to recapture that and build on it. Snoke is not Plagueis because they said he wasn't at SDCC. Never mind Snoke isn't a Muun and was at one point being developed as a female character. Midichlorians were hand-waved away, as they intentionally made the move back toward the more all-inclusive Force as seen in the OT. And Force ghosts are just another of the gaping plot holes Lucas introduced in the prequels, and I can guarantee you these movies aren't going to touch that mess with a ten foot pole. It's how dead Jedi could appear in the OT, so it's how they may appear now. You are conveniently leaving out the biggest sources....the films themselves...the showrunners stated at the onset of this new "reboot" of the franchise that the only canon material will be the films, Clone Wars, Rebels, and new ongoing media (which if you really think about it is arguably a far worse scenario that what we had before when the EU was not official anyway....now you can't even expect to be fully informed about the entire plotline of the movies without all of the new EU content via a multitude of external sources)...so to borrow the line from Han Solo.......it's all real! Midichlorians, Force Ghosts, Darth Plagueis....maybe they will include an extended version of that scene where he mentions EVERYTHING....including Greedo shooting first!...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renegadeleader1 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I'd rather have another KotOR game. Considering Bioware is a part of EA now and EA has exclusive rights to Star Wars, this is a very real possibility. Hopefully Bioware has enough clout to push back against the corporate stooges and make sure it doesn't end up a rush job like what happened to Kotor II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I'd rather have another KotOR game. I've read they are working on KOTOR HD remake. That'll hold me over till a new KOTOR game is released and hopefully we'll see that but it seems like Disney or EA care as much about Star Wars games as LucasArts did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Still wondering what the significance of the ashes he puts his helmet in is. It could just be nothing more than a practical effect to emphasize the 'force' he used when he put the helmet down (pun intended). That, or another MacGuffin for fans to ponder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 It could just be nothing more than a practical effect to emphasize the 'force' he used when he put the helmet down (pun intended). That, or another MacGuffin for fans to ponder. If they were the remains of Vader's armor, it's kinda odd he would keep them in an interrogation room. Nevertheless, I had the same thoughts. I haven't heard of it being mentioned in the novelization, so we may never know. I guess we'll have to stay tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynaman Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Only TWICE...? I mean, I saw the original Star Wars TWELVE TIMES in the theater... Fourteen if you include the Special Edition! Okay, yeah... Most of of those were before affordable home video, but STILL... I saw Star Wars a total of five times, never seen any other film at a theater more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I saw Star Wars a total of five times, never seen any other film at a theater more than once. That's sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) US$1,228,349,526 Worldwide - Titanic and Avatar better watch out next month... Also, the Nostalgia Critic reviews the film for New Year's Eve. Edited December 31, 2015 by areaseven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derex3592 Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Well....going with my mom on Friday....this will be #4...LOL! I think I saw Jedi 3 time back in 83... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Snoke is not Plagueis because they said he wasn't at SDCC. Barnyard Camberditch wasn't Kahn either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Barnyard Camberditch wasn't Kahn either. Snoke is also not a Muun, and was originally developed as a female character. Both of which make Snoke NOT Plagueis. This is, of course, ignoring the fact that JJ has already acknowledged his mistakes with Into Darkness, including the Khan reveal, which he said he'd never do again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewie Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Has anyone officially confirmed his race post Legends? That, and what is there to stop them from changing their whole pace and going from "developing a female character" to "make it Plagueis?" I like the theory. That's all. =P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 George Lucas Criticizes Latest ‘Star Wars’ Installment Yes, boo hoo. But it's nice to know even the creator noticed this movie's storytelling shortcomings that many of us picked up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Has anyone officially confirmed his race post Legends? That, and what is there to stop them from changing their whole pace and going from "developing a female character" to "make it Plagueis?" I like the theory. That's all. =P Yeah, we discussed that earlier. Still, I'm sticking with what they said at SDCC. Of course, Rian Johnson may decide to change that, so I suppose anything is possible. George Lucas Criticizes Latest Star Wars Installment Yes, boo hoo. But it's nice to know even the creator noticed this movie's storytelling shortcomings that many of us picked up on. If anyone would know about storytelling shortcomings, it would be George Lucas. Edited December 31, 2015 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikElvis Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I'm not opposed to snoke being plagueis but I'm totally open to something new as well. I just feel this movie was a big set up for a really sweet follow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) I'm not opposed to snoke being plagueis but I'm totally open to something new as well. I just feel this movie was a big set up for a really sweet follow up. I'd hope so. Rian Johnson made Looper work so I'm certain he will do wonders with Episode 8 titled... The First Order Strikes Back! Edited December 31, 2015 by TangledThorns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I'd hope so. Rian Johnson made Looper work so I'm certain he will do wonders with Episode 8 titled... The First Order Strikes Back! Well, they didn't exactly lose in Awakens. They took out the entire government of the Republic. If anything, it's the Resistance that will be striking back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvmacross Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Yeah....both sides should be equal militarily.....once again its the Force users that will determine the galaxy's fate....Luke and Rey vs Snoke and Kylo....we all know who ultimately wins.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) /Film: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Ending Details and More Revealed in Official Screenplay Well, some of our guesses were right, and some of our guesses were wrong (and some were in the middle). Great info here. Edited December 31, 2015 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areaseven Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I'd hope so. Rian Johnson made Looper work so I'm certain he will do wonders with Episode 8 titled... The First Order Strikes Back! Nah. They should title it: Star Wars: Snoke on the Water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Nah. They should title it: Star Wars: Snoke on the Water. *Breaks out the air guitar* Edited January 1, 2016 by TangledThorns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Current theory. Rey is Ben's daughter. Either her mother or mothers family left Rey on Jakku. Just doesn't sit right that Luke would abandon his kid on a desert planet, and or, not with Leia. The circumstances of Rey's conception may be why Ben was sent away to train with Luke, and likely wouldn't have even known he concieved a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Current theory. Rey is Ben's daughter. Either her mother or mothers family left Rey on Jakku. Just doesn't sit right that Luke would abandon his kid on a desert planet, and or, not with Leia. The circumstances of Rey's conception may be why Ben was sent away to train with Luke, and likely wouldn't have even known he concieved a child. Yeah, no way Rey is Ben's daughter; there's only 11 years difference between the two. Unless you mean Kenobi, and that is literally impossible. The simplest answer is likely the correct one: she is Luke's daughter, though I assume he is not the one who left her there.The Saga is the story of the Skywalkers. Unless Luke becomes the main character in 8&9, you need another, which is Rey. Edited January 1, 2016 by Duke Togo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anime52k8 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I've got no evidence to support it, but I'm convinced until proven otherwise that snoke is Tarkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobber Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yeah, no way Rey is Ben's daughter; there's only 11 years difference between the two. Unless you mean Kenobi, and that is literally impossible. The simplest answer is likely the correct one: she is Luke's daughter, though I assume he is not the one who left her there. The Saga is the story of the Skywalkers. Unless Luke becomes the main character in 8&9, you need another, which is Rey. No you don't, Kylo/Ben is as much a Skywalker as any child of Luke, since he is also the child of Leia. I agree, though, that she is Luke's daughter. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 No you don't, Kylo/Ben is as much a Skywalker as any child of Luke, since he is also the child of Leia. I agree, though, that she is Luke's daughter. Chris I get your point, but I think they want an actual Skywalker, not a Solo descended from one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yeah, no way Rey is Ben's daughter; there's only 11 years difference between the two. Unless you mean Kenobi, and that is literally impossible. The simplest answer is likely the correct one: she is Luke's daughter, though I assume he is not the one who left her there. The Saga is the story of the Skywalkers. Unless Luke becomes the main character in 8&9, you need another, which is Rey. We have over 30 years to play with. That can just as easily involve fathering a child at 12-13, making Rey easoly 17-18. Theory #2: Rey is a female clone of Anakin. Perhaps comissioned by the Knights of Ren, Snoke, or even Luke. It's way too simple to assume she is simply Luke's child, especially with her inheriting Chewie & the Falcon. Rey is seemingly recognized as a part of the family by Han & Leia, but never plainly or specifically. There'a something too off about her existence and exile. If she's Ben's, then I could see an interesting cknflict with him raging about her power level. If she's a clone of Anakin, then she'd pose as an interesting rival for Kylo over being the next Vader (in his eyes). Luke had thar light saber for a while, and mever once freaked out about it. Rey being Anakin, or from a bloodline seperate from Luke could explain why she reacted as she did. It's also been readily assumed she was waiting for her father to return. It could just as easily been her mother who left her there, with no intention of teclaiming an unwanted, or potentially forced upon child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negotiator Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 i posted this somewhere else, but here's my guess: I don't think it's anything so complicated. luke mind tricked her. told lor San tekka to drop her off somewhere and watch over her. who so happens to be very close to her area if bb8 can make it to rey in a short time. he got killed so he's not coming back for her. don't forget when kylo is pulling thoughts out of her head he says he sees the ocean and the island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TangledThorns Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) I know this is heavy sci-fi but between the Starkiller base and finding a lightsaber at the bottom of Cloud City this film's disturbing lack of logic pushed my suspension of disbelief to the point of annoyance. In regards to the Luke's lightsaber it really shouldn't matter. As we learned in AOTC a Jedi can go through several lightsabers during their lifetime. Edited January 2, 2016 by TangledThorns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullmilitia Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 From the interviews with the writers, and Abrams interviews I've seen.. here's what I take. luke and another force wielder had a child. Young Kylo is jealous of Lukes squeeze, Kylo kills the jedi training camp including Reys mother, and luke hides her on Jakku, before hermiting out of shame for loosing not only his love, but the son of Han and Leia. Taking a chunk from ROTS/ANH hiding babies on outer rim worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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