anime52k8 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Maybe it's just me but I've never seen the point/purpose of unboxing vids. I don't get why they are apparently so popular. because it's fun to share the Christmas morning like joy of breaking open a new purchase, turning a lonely solo exercise into a group experience if the viewer is also getting the same item, or allowing for a vicarious experience if the viewer is passing on said purchase. It's all about sharing a positive experience within a community rather than backhandedly poo-pooing on other peoples interests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaitouSad Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 because it's fun to share the Christmas morning like joy of breaking open a new purchase, turning a lonely solo exercise into a group experience if the viewer is also getting the same item, or allowing for a vicarious experience if the viewer is passing on said purchase. It's all about sharing a positive experience within a community rather than backhandedly poo-pooing on other peoples interests. this right here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tochiro Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 because it's fun to share the Christmas morning like joy of breaking open a new purchase, turning a lonely solo exercise into a group experience if the viewer is also getting the same item, or allowing for a vicarious experience if the viewer is passing on said purchase. It's all about sharing a positive experience within a community rather than backhandedly poo-pooing on other peoples interests. Oh I'm not poo-pooing anyone in particular, which is why I'm speaking of it as a trend. All I'm saying is that, like reality tv or someing, its just something I dont understand the appeal of. A video of a display you've made? A model you've customized? Trying to play a song? Cosplay? THESE I understand the point of putting videos up of. A video of opening a retail product that anyone can buy online or at a shop, which doesnt include actual specs or review on the content or visual quality (ie, which is what people would be after if they were looking to make a purchasing decision)? I dont get it. Seems meaningless to me because anyone else can buy the exact same thing. But like I said, I'm not poo-poohing anyone. To each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker773 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Finished watching OVA and US episodes.. tomorrow or Friday full blast Movie!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzaffar Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I have seen Macross plus dozens of times since the mid 90s( Manga videos) and have memorized the sound effects and most of the dialogs in every scene. Having said this, the dubbing in episode 4 of the BD is horrendous. It's missing the emotion and the performance of the origonal and most importantly, it's missing the sound effects at every key scene. I tried watching with the jap dub but eh... Maybe vol 4 will get fixed with the right dub when it is released in the US market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I have seen Macross plus dozens of times since the mid 90s( Manga videos) and have memorized the sound effects and most of the dialogs in every scene. Having said this, the dubbing in episode 4 of the BD is horrendous. It's missing the emotion and the performance of the origonal and most importantly, it's missing the sound effects at every key scene. I tried watching with the jap dub but eh... Maybe vol 4 will get fixed with the right dub when it is released in the US market? That's what pissed me off about the dub, it wasn't half bad, but Ep 4 killed it for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Plus will never get released on bluray in the U.S., not while H.G. is around. As for the SFX, the Manga dub of ep 4 has the wrong SFX track to begin with, so there's no sense in memorizing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Thanks to Blu-ray, I noticed for the first time that the newspaper that Guld is reading in the cafeteria is in Zentradi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidweezil Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I have seen Macross plus dozens of times since the mid 90s( Manga videos) and have memorized the sound effects and most of the dialogs in every scene. Having said this, the dubbing in episode 4 of the BD is horrendous. It's missing the emotion and the performance of the origonal and most importantly, it's missing the sound effects at every key scene. I tried watching with the jap dub but eh... Maybe vol 4 will get fixed with the right dub when it is released in the US market? Yeah, there won't be a US release. The best thing we can hope for is someone takes the video from the Blu-Ray Ep 4 and replaces the audio with the track from the Manga Ep 4 and uploads it somewhere. It should be pretty straight forward. I would give it a go, but I don't have a blu-ray player on my laptop. Which means no way to rip it from the BD disk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Plus will never get released on bluray in the U.S., not while H.G. is around. Except H.G. can't block Macross Plus videos in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Coming closer and closer to watch it! Jet lag be damned I'm going to watch it come Saturday evening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Yeah. It's still on Youtube officially uploaded by Manga Ent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Mine should be arriving by early next week. Pity I'll be on holiday in Phuket. Oh well, it'll be waiting for me when I get back Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tochiro Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Yeah. It's still on Youtube officially uploaded by Manga Ent.Wasn't that taken down a while back, along with their Macross 2 stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSJ23 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 I have seen Macross plus dozens of times since the mid 90s( Manga videos) and have memorized the sound effects and most of the dialogs in every scene. Having said this, the dubbing in episode 4 of the BD is horrendous. It's missing the emotion and the performance of the origonal and most importantly, it's missing the sound effects at every key scene. I tried watching with the jap dub but eh... Maybe vol 4 will get fixed with the right dub when it is released in the US market? this! I've always loved the M+ dub. i knew going into this purchase that OVA 4 had some different voice actors. But i never expected the delivery to be so half-@@sed. All my favorite lines from OVA4 changed or delivered horribly. so from now on with the blu-ray set i'm sticking to Japanese audio with subs. if i want the dub i have my DVD's or nextflix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzaffar Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 (edited) Plus will never get released on bluray in the U.S., not while H.G. is around. As for the SFX, the Manga dub of ep 4 has the wrong SFX track to begin with, so there's no sense in memorizing that. Are you talking about the original manga SFX dub or the crappy new dub of the ep 4 on the BD? Edited June 27, 2013 by Muzaffar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Are you talking about the original manga SFX dub or the crappy new dub of the ep 4 on the BD? The original Manga dub had the wrong sound effects and music, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 The original Manga dub had the wrong sound effects and music, yes. Seriously guys, switch over the the Japanese track sometime! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Wasn't that taken down a while back, along with their Macross 2 stuff? I don't know what that other "2" show you're talking about can possibly be, but Plus is online: https://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DkpCuUT_n9Xg Are you talking about the original manga SFX dub or the crappy new dub of the ep 4 on the BD? The one on the BD may be crappy, but it certainly is not new; it has been around for at least 13 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tochiro Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 I don't know what that other "2" show you're talking about can possibly be, but Plus is online: https://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DkpCuUT_n9Xg Ah thanks for that. It wasnt coming up in my search results although even now it still wont actually play - possibly the office firewall settings I suppose, although its the only thing on the Manga Ent. website that wont actually play - weird eh? Spent some time with Ep. 2 on BD last night and the newly revealed detail just continues to amaze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 Here'e something to chew on. Who handled the first digital distribution of Robotech? Give up? It was Manga. Likely as part of a deal to stfu about Plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRYO Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Watched Movie part, love the new dts hd 5.1 mix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker773 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 yep the dts on the movie is freaking awesome. You can hear dem monkies in the background especially in the testing scenes of the valks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillardsLeg Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I'm really glad I read this forum before watching Episode 4! I've been a fan of Plus for years, and had no idea there was another dub! That would've been a real shock to the system. Thanks to all for pointing this out.I wonder if BV only re-dubbed the fourth episode, or if there are alternate versions of the first three episodes as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) I'm really glad I read this forum before watching Episode 4! I've been a fan of Plus for years, and had no idea there was another dub! That would've been a real shock to the system. Thanks to all for pointing this out. I wonder if BV only re-dubbed the fourth episode, or if there are alternate versions of the first three episodes as well? They only redubbed the fourth episode. The problem (IIRC) was that the audio masters that Manga got back in '94 didn't have the dialogue track separated out from the music and sound effects track, so they had to create a completely new audio track for the dub. Since a lot of the music from episode 4 was exclusive to that episode, they had to reuse music (and sound effects) from the previous episodes. So while the voices are "right" in the Manga dub, everything else is wrong, and BV created the newer dub in order to correct the music and sound effects. Edited June 30, 2013 by Gubaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 So I just popped in my copy and am currently watching the OVA is AMAZING! Like most here have said, it's like the entire thing has been reanimated! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) Watching the Movie-edition now.A couple of observations: The colors aren't as vivid as the OVA edition, but it's still all good. The english-subtitles seems to be "newer". The grammar is... atrocious in some places. Almost bordering on engrish. Sometimes, it's not even what the characters were actually saying, I think. add: Oh, and the "what a bromance." and "Dumb ask." were some of the pure examples of flat what in the new english-subtitles. Edited June 30, 2013 by treatment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Watching the Movie-edition now. A couple of observations: The colors aren't as vivid as the OVA edition, but it's still all good. The english-subtitles seems to be "newer". The grammar is... atrocious in some places. Almost bordering on engrish. Sometimes, it's not even what the characters were actually saying, I think. Weird. That's what I'm getting. I'm on the Movie right now and the dialogue seems off for the subs, you still get the idea considering how we've watched the Mangle version 1 million times over, but I'm feeling the ZRO Limit subs by Neil Nadleman over the BD version subs. I suppose that's the trade-off. Awesome either way with the Master HD 5.1 track, never heard the klaxon in the main hangar after Isamu blows out the doors in the DVD version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillardsLeg Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 They only redubbed the fourth episode. The problem (IIRC) was that the audio masters that Manga got back in '94 didn't have the dialogue track separated out from the music and sound effects track, so they had to create a completely new audio track for the dub. Since a lot of the music from episode 4 was exclusive to that episode, they had to reuse music (and sound effects) from the previous episodes. So while the voices are "right" in the Manga dub, everything else is wrong, and BV created the newer dub in order to correct the music and sound effects. Thanks. Sounds logical. I just can't believe I never heard about it before. Since I knew about the "Hayter dub" before watching, I was able to approach it with the knowledge that it would be different. I have to agree with some of the assessments of the alternate dub. It's not the worst I've ever heard. In fact, the impression I got while watching was that the actors were trying to mimic the Manga dub as best they could. And of course, Anne Sherman and Steve Blum reprise their roles, and it's kind of fun to hear alternate takes on Myung's dialogue. As for picture quality, it is off the charts awesome. Like watching it for the first time. There are so many things I've never seen or noticed before, details both small and major, and the soundtrack enhances the visuals. For instance, in episode 1, hearing the sound of horse's hooves, which accompany the visuals of a man walking a pet ostrich-animal-thing across the street - both of which I never noticed before! No way I can complain about this release. Now I get to watch it a hundred more times, and notice things I haven't seen since the mid-90's!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 That's what I'm getting. I'm on the Movie right now and the dialogue seems off for the subs, you still get the idea considering how we've watched the Mangle version 1 million times over, but I'm feeling the ZRO Limit subs by Neil Nadleman over the BD version subs. I suppose that's the trade-off. Awesome either way with the Master HD 5.1 track, never heard the klaxon in the main hangar after Isamu blows out the doors in the DVD version. Well, it probably wasn't in there. They added a lot of extra effects, some of which were unnecessary, in my opinion. Most notably the eerie sound of the Black Box whenever it's about to do something evil. It just makes it feel a little cheesier, for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Well, it probably wasn't in there. They added a lot of extra effects, some of which were unnecessary, in my opinion. Most notably the eerie sound of the Black Box whenever it's about to do something evil. It just makes it feel a little cheesier, for me. LOL, I couldn't focus too much on those effects since I had to take care of my son, but at the end after Sharon exploded you can hear those weird effects before she asks "why." Some of the effects were cool where the Valks were concerned. An extra effect was added when Isamu uses the head laser to shoot at Guld and slightly different engine noise from both. I'm going to try and watch the DVD version some time next week to see what other differences there are. I'm glad nothing was removed unlike DYRL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 some comparo of the Movie's english-subs (JP-BD vs R1-dvd): _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ As you can probably tell by now, the BD has quite some fancy engrishy thing going on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) To hell with the subs, that freakin' remaster, OMG, the composite quality of the old Manga DVD's is incredibly obvious. Edited June 30, 2013 by Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macross_Fanboy Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 some comparo of the Movie's english-subs (JP-BD vs R1-dvd): _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ _versus_ As you can probably tell by now, the BD has quite some fancy engrishy thing going on... Man I didn't even catch some of that, kids and all distracting me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gubaba Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 some comparo of the Movie's english-subs (JP-BD vs R1-dvd): As you can probably tell by now, the BD has quite some fancy engrishy thing going on... I'm guessing most people here have the story memorized anyway, so if you're watching it by yourself or with a group of like-minded friends, I don't see the problem... But yeah... some of those lines are... not good... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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