frothymug Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Yeah, that's true. The first time I watched it, I thought I had skipped an episode. It doesn't really bother me all that much now. It jumps ahead a bit and then quickly flashes back to show what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Fly_For_Firebomber Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I don't care what anyone says, I really enjoyed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 The whole thing was mecha porn with good music. Enjoyable but storywise it never went beyond a retelling od DYRL? 80 years later. The whole Hibiki ending up with Sylvie thing paralleled how Hikaru ended up with Misa; go with the PITA instead of the girl you had a thing for 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ps99042 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 I just watched a part of this today as I was planning on ripping the DVD to my iPad but it just lacks the flare of Kawamori Macross projects even with Mikimoto's character designs. I remember back in the day I enjoyed it overall but the english dub makes me cringe more now than ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-18S Hornet Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 He's brilliant because he's Bryan Cranston, also known as Hal from Malcolm in the Middle. He's also the main character of Breaking Bad (I haven't watched much of the show and can't remember the character's name), a role which he's sooo good at, he's won several awards. From what I've seen of that show, he's an absolute badass. If I remember correctly, that's Dan Woren, the guy who voiced Roy in Robotech. Agreed... he just doesn't fit the role very well. As far as Macross II goes, I also agree that you should watch it with Japanese audio and English subs. The story is fairly entertaining, but definitely not as strong as the best Macross works. It's worth watching. Woot, my 500th post! NANI???? Bryan Cranston was the voice of Isamu Dyson NO Friggin way I didn't see his name in the VA Credits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renato Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 NANI???? Bryan Cranston was the voice of Isamu Dyson NO Friggin way I didn't see his name in the VA Credits. He was credited under a different name, but it's him. He also played Dr. Whatley on Seinfeld! While we're on the subject of Isamu Dyson, for the English dub on Episode 4 of the Japanese DVDs he was played by David "Solid Snake" Hater.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 He was credited under a different name, but it's him. He also played Dr. Whatley on Seinfeld! While we're on the subject of Isamu Dyson, for the English dub on Episode 4 of the Japanese DVDs he was played by David "Solid Snake" Hater.. What's the story behind that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 What's the story behind that? The Japanese DVD's have an english dub? The only thing Macross II has going for it is the Metal Siren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 The Japanese DVD's have an english dub? The only thing Macross II has going for it is the Metal Siren. Nah, I mean the Japanese DVD exclusive casting choice for the 4th ep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Nah, I mean the Japanese DVD exclusive casting choice for the 4th ep. Again, what are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Again, what are you talking about? He was credited under a different name, but it's him. He also played Dr. Whatley on Seinfeld! While we're on the subject of Isamu Dyson, for the English dub on Episode 4 of the Japanese DVDs he was played by David "Solid Snake" Hater.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talos Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 I think he's asking why is there an English dub on the Japanese DVDs, Keith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 How about we get this thread back to MII? All this bashing on the MII English dub strangely makes me want to watch it again. The one thing I fondly remember about it was that they actually spoke Zentran. I think that's the first, and only time, we've ever heard Zentran on an English dub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 I think he's asking why is there an English dub on the Japanese DVDs, Keith. Indeed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 The DVD section on MW's main page (remember when that used to be what we came here for) has said the first R2 DVD of the Plus OVA has the Manga dub. Maybe they thought it was a good extra or something. I mean there have been R2 DVDs with subs so maybe they decided a dub may entice foreign buyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamadoma Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 Macross II could have been awesome to me if Silvie had seen more action near the end and the thing that happened to the Macross didn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-15 Banshee Posted September 24, 2011 Author Share Posted September 24, 2011 Shades of Star Trek III, definitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted September 24, 2011 Share Posted September 24, 2011 The DVD section on MW's main page (remember when that used to be what we came here for) has said the first R2 DVD of the Plus OVA has the Manga dub. Maybe they thought it was a good extra or something. I mean there have been R2 DVDs with subs so maybe they decided a dub may entice foreign buyers. No the English dub on the "International Release" used several of the same English voice actors, but it wasn't the Manga dub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treatment Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 It's all about Ishtar to me. She's still the top Macross-Babe for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505thAirborne Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 It's all about Ishtar to me. She's still the top Macross-Babe for me. You know it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Overall, I did not care for Macross II. The story is nearly scene for scene re-imagining of DYRL but it seems forced. It introduces the Marduk with no explanation. Hey, we established these other factions related to the Zentraedi/Meltrandi and have plenty of room to expand on them, but here's an entirely new one anyways with even less explanation! The characters just didn't grip me that much. I really did not care for the mecha designs. Well, I loved them when I was 15, but as I got older they just seem over the top fan-fic extrapolations of the old mecha. The Metal Siren is exactly what I would have done to make an "advanced" Valkyrie back when I was a teenager. A more "spacey" VF-1 with big bulging missle pods everywhere, some spikes, and a big giant gun and it can blow up enemy battleships by itself by farting lightning! All the mecha designs had that very 90's sci-fi look to them. More rounded and ergonomic with arching pylons for no reason. They just didn't seem very "Macrossy" to me. Not that the VF-2SS is bad, per say, but...not very Macrossy. The Valkyrie designs lacked that love of real world aeronautics that makes the designs in every other Macross so memorable, so "believable" to me. (Bad Sound Force paint jobs notwithstanding.) I did like the fleet battles, and I still think the "Macross Cannon" is a great idea. Just kinda...underdeveloped. It looks too flat. A great idea just it has a lot of the same style issues I have with every other mechanical design in the series. The score wasn't bad, a few of the background pieces still stand out to me, like the fleet arriving with the Macross Cannons. The vocal songs are poppy and catchy but pretty generic. Not bad, but not something I'd go out of my way to listen to. I loved the human character designs. Not so much the Marduk but Mikimoto's style is front and centre and that's great. Not having him is my biggest complaint with Plus, Zero, Frontier, etcetera. The ending seemed really forced. Like others have said, it's not terrible, it's not great. It's not "good", it's fairly blandly mediocre. I don't vehemently hate it or begrudge anyone else liking it. Just not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I like Macross II, because every mention of it doesn't start week-long flame wars full of personal insults and strawman attacks. Also: Ishtar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-15 Banshee Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 I like Macross II, because every mention of it doesn't start week-long flame wars full of personal insults and strawman attacks. Also: Ishtar. I_Fly_For_Firebomber probably knew exactly what he was doing when he started that thread about Basara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyuRoots Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I like Macross II, because every mention of it doesn't start week-long flame wars full of personal insults and strawman attacks. Also: Ishtar. Hardly a reason to like a show. I like Gundam ZZ in spite of similar reasons. Ishtar, in a vacuum, was a pleasant character. Too bad she wasn't either used better or in a better show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB0 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I was being silly. ... Man, I have GOT to get a more mainstream sense of humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 You guys only like Ishtar because she useless and moe and wears practically nothing. a total waifu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF-15 Banshee Posted October 7, 2011 Author Share Posted October 7, 2011 Had moe even been invented by 1992? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 The term hadn't been coined yet but it sure as hell existed. Just look at Mohm from Orguss. Or stuff like Cosmo Pink Shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzan Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 You guys only like Ishtar because she useless and moe and wears practically nothing. a total waifu Not true. We also like her because she wears amazing face paint and has a soothing and relaxing voice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyuRoots Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I was being silly. ... Man, I have GOT to get a more mainstream sense of humor. Don't feel a need to on my account. I've been told that mine is strange, anyway. As far as Ishtar, I like her because...saying she's pleasant is the best way to put it. She's not a great character, but she has a nice personality and is just sort of relaxing in general. Is that "moe"? If so, then it's odd. Most characters distinctly idenitifed as that, or at least that as their primary trait, make me want to punch the screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Not true. We also like her because she wears amazing face paint... ... and not much else. I keed! I keed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaorin Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 (edited) Don't feel a need to on my account. I've been told that mine is strange, anyway. As far as Ishtar, I like her because...saying she's pleasant is the best way to put it. She's not a great character, but she has a nice personality and is just sort of relaxing in general. Is that "moe"? Yes. very much like my little sweetie♥ Mikuru-chan, in fact... Had moe even been invented by 1992? the genre has basically been around, in one form or another, since around the early 1980's or so. possibly farther on back. vintage Moe is perhaps a little harder to single out, as it generally isn't nearly as "grossly idealized" as in today's standards... Edited October 7, 2011 by Shaorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VF5SS Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 You do realize Mi-mi-mikuru is the literal moe abyss right? You have stared into it and it has stared back into you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xx-SKULL-ONE-xX Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Anyone watch the episode of Archer where Kreger creates an anime bride to marry? Shoarin? J/k Anyway, when I think moe I think Ranka. I feel Ishtar is a little better then that but the more I think of it I guess they do have similarities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaorin Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 (edited) You do realize Mi-mi-mikuru is the literal moe abyss right? You have stared into it and it has stared back into you she's the ultimate epitome of Moe, no question about that, but, more importantly, shes also a sweet, loving, caring Angel of a woman. she only gets better by the time of her older self, when she finally learns how to be self-confidant. i could easily imagine her choosing a medical doctorate of some sort for her career, she just strikes me as that sort of a loving, caring person... Edited January 24, 2012 by Shaorin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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