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I have few questions

1. What about fleet Galaxy. Have they main island like Frontier's Island 1?

2. whether the cyborgs once had a human body or were built from scratch, modeled on the originals ( Brera, Grace)

3. Has the appearance of the Protoculture breed ever been shown? And does Mikumo originally come from Windermere or from protoculture?

4. Did 117 The research ship belonged to any Macross fleet?

5.Do You know something more about the appearance of the Macross Olympia fleet and where is it?

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10 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

I have few questions

We have answers.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

1. What about fleet Galaxy. Have they main island like Frontier's Island 1?

It's a different design, because Macross Galaxy is a unique 4th Generation closed-system chemical plant ship instead of being modeled on 3rd Generation City-class ships the way the 5th Generation Island Cluster-class closed-system bioplants (e.g. Macross Frontier) were.

This is Mainland, the Macross Galaxy's primary habitat ship.  

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The prequel light novel Macross the Ride also indicates the Macross Galaxy fleet has the same type of support ships first seen in Macross 7, including a Riviera-class resort ship with the designation Evna, which was attacked by anti-government forces while hosting the Vanquish Cup final in 2058.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

2. whether the cyborgs once had a human body or were built from scratch, modeled on the originals ( Brera, Grace)

They're flesh-and-blood people who've had their bodies remodeled with technological implants.

Grace has several spare bodies that she can operate remotely using zero-time fold communications to avoid exposing herself to danger, like the body she used to travel to Gallia IV and detonate the Dimension Eater there in Macross Frontier's 13th episode.  (Grace's spare bodies have also demonstrated the ability to change genders on the fly, with one turning into a male form codenamed "G" to clandestinely meet with Leon.)

The Macross Frontier short story "Wired Warrior" does feature one truly artificial person codenamed Greenwich Meridian, callsign Meridian 01, who was a bio-android constructed around the reprogrammed brain tissue of a deceased Macross Galaxy Corporate Army pilot.  Brera found the entire idea disgusting and cremated Meridian 01's remains after the bio-android was killed in combat.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

3. Has the appearance of the Protoculture breed ever been shown?

The Zentradi are based on the ancient Protoculture's DNA, modified to make them more robust and aggressive... but they're not technically Protoculture.

The Mardook in Macross II: Lovers Again - a parallel world story sequel to Macross: Do You Remember Love? - are strongly implied to be descendants of a group of Protoculture who fled the collapse of their civilization.  It isn't outright stated that they're descendants of the Protoculture though.

The Protoculture AI in the ruins on Lux in Macross 7 is believed to be modeled on a Protoculture male, though its form is only seen in silhouette.

Mina Forte from Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy is initially believed to be a Protoculture-based bio-android.

Mikumo Guynemer is a Protoculture-based bio-android.

So we've never seen an unaltered Protoculture individual... but we've got several instances of people who are in the general vicinity of being one.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

And does Mikumo originally come from Windermere or from protoculture?

Mikumo Guynemer is a clone of a Protoculture-designed bio-android, created using cell fragments obtained from the Protoculture ruins on Windermere IV by New UN Spacy Major Wright Immelmann.  

Mikumo herself was created (illegally) by Xaos under the direction of Lady M specifically to join Walkure as a superweapon to use against Var syndrome.  The original Star Singer she is a clone of was created by the ancient Protoculture.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

4. Did 117 The research ship belonged to any Macross fleet?

The SDFN-04 General Bruno J. Global was one of twelve mass-production Macross-class ships constructed to provide advance reconnaissance ahead of the 1st Generation Megaroad-class emigrant ships.  The New Macross emigrant ships - the 3rd Generation City-class, 4th Generation Mainland-class, and 5th Generation Island Cluster-class - didn't exist when the ship was launched.

By the time we see it, the General Bruno J. Global had been retired from its original duty and seconded to the 117th Research Fleet as its flagship on its expedition into Vajra space.  Other ships of her class ended up as permanent fixtures on the planets where the fleets they escorted settled, such as the SDFN-08 General Vrlitwhai Kridanik landing on Uroboros and being repurposed as the planetary capital Vrlitwhai City (as seen in Macross 30).  Another one that isn't identified is seen on the planet Pipure in the Macross Delta prequel Macross Delta Gaiden: Macross E.

 

 

10 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

5.Do You know something more about the appearance of the Macross Olympia fleet and where is it?

Macross Olympia has, thus far, only been mentioned/described in Variable Fighter Master File: VF-25 Messiah.  The book's contents are not official setting material, according to the disclaimer on the credits page.  Master File describes the fleet as trailing about 500 light years behind the Macross Frontier fleet (c. December 2056).

Their only official mention, as far as I know, is a brief aside in Macross the Ride that acknowledges that Vanquish League VF air races are conducted there as well.

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Now I see, I haven’t played Macross 30. Thanks Seto!

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Slightly related question, is there any way to play Macross 30 with English subtitles? Or is it play with a translated guide open?

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31 minutes ago, Sanity is Optional said:

Slightly related question, is there any way to play Macross 30 with English subtitles? Or is it play with a translated guide open?

There is no English option, sadly, but there is a very fine translation guide for gameplay-related matters posted here on MW.

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6 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

There is no English option, sadly, but there is a very fine translation guide for gameplay-related matters posted here on MW.

Darn, oh well.

I think what annoys me the most about Macross having zero international distribution is that the games never make it overseas.

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7 hours ago, Sanity is Optional said:

I think what annoys me the most about Macross having zero international distribution is that the games never make it overseas.

Yeah, it's kind of a pain since several games are key installments in the Macross continuity... ESPECIALLY VF-X2.  

So much stuff in later stories comes back to or ties into Macross VF-X2 that it's a little frustrating.

Both Ernest Johnson and Grammier Neirich Windermere VI have the Second Unification War figure prominently in their backstories, Kaname's home planet is one where that war never ended, surviving splinter groups from the Latence faction that was defeated at the end of VF-X2's Good Ending are the new anti-government terrorist forces that figure prominently in Macross the Ride and likely Mirage Jenius's backstory, etc.

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7 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

So much stuff in later stories comes back to or ties into Macross VF-X2 that it's a little frustrating.

Especially since VF-X2 was on the cusp of a US release. Bandai was running magazine ads for it with a final ESRB rating(E for Everyone) when they MYSTERIOUSLY DECIDED not to release it FOR SOME STRANGE REASON. We have no clue why,  but it probably rhymes with Garmony Mold.

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Yep, I remember those ads for VF-X2 was eagerly waiting for its release! Thankfully, I was at least able to get my hands on the Japanese release of it. 

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Don’t think it’s a “mainland” more of a carrier. 

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15 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

Is battle galaxy a transformed Mainland of Galaxy Fleet?

No... Mainland is just a very large habitat ship where the majority of the Macross Galaxy fleet's civilian population lives.

The NMCV-21 Battle Galaxy is the same type of warship as the NMCV-25 Battle Frontier.  It's a Battle-class variable stealth space assault aircraft carrier.  Each New Macross fleet's Battle-class flagship is built to the same basic design, but no two ships of the class are truly identical due to changes in technology during construction and customization of the design during construction by the fleet government to meet its specific needs or incorporate technology that the fleet government feels it should have.  Battle Galaxy looks so different from her sister ship Battle Frontier because its design incorporates a lot of cutting edge and experimental technology developed by the Macross Galaxy corporation that runs the Macross Galaxy fleet as its government.

Battle Galaxy would have spent most of its time docked to the Mainland ship the same way that Battle Frontier spent most of its time docked to Island-1.  When Battle Galaxy was sunk by Battle Frontier over the Vajra homeworld, Mainland was elsewhere and was not attacked.

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Just now, Dressykamila1 said:

And...Did Alto choose Ranka in game Macross 30? XD

Alto didn't really choose anyone in Macross 30... he came to the future (2060) with Sheryl but, in that scene, is relieved to see Ranka is all right because Ranka had been held prisoner by the New UN Spacy Special Forces 815th Independent Squadron "Hávamál" to ensure Major Brera Sterne's cooperation with their goals.  (They similarly held Myung Fang Lone hostage to force Guld Goa Bowman to cooperate with them.)

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22 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

Nie ...  Mainland  to tylko bardzo duży statek siedliskowy, w którym mieszka większość ludności cywilnej floty Macross Galaxy.

NMCV-21 bojowa Galaktyka  jest taki sam typ okrętu jako NMCV-25 Battle Frontier . Jest to  bitwa o zmiennej Stealth przestrzeń napaść lotniskowiec -class. Każdej floty Nowa Macross za  bitwa -class flagowy jest zbudowany na tej samej konstrukcji podstawowej, ale nie ma dwóch statków klasy są naprawdę identyczne ze względu na zmiany w technologii podczas budowy i dostosowywania projektu podczas budowy przez rząd floty w celu zaspokojenia swoich specyficznych potrzeb lub zastosować technologię, którą zdaniem rządu floty powinna mieć.  Battle Galaxy  wygląda zupełnie inaczej niż jej siostrzany statek  Battle Frontier ponieważ jego projekt zawiera wiele nowatorskich i eksperymentalnych technologii opracowanych przez korporację Macross Galaxy, która zarządza flotą Macross Galaxy jako jej rząd.

Battle Galaxy  spędziłby większość czasu zadokowany do   statku lądowego w taki sam sposób, w jaki  Granica Bitewna  spędziła większość czasu zadokowanego na  Wyspie-1 . Kiedy  Battle Battle  został zatopiony przez  Battle Frontier  nad planetą Vajra,  Mainland  był gdzie indziej i nie został zaatakowany.

Thanks :D and in which episode mainland is seen for the last time

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Hi all.  I'm an old time member and I have not been active here for quite some time.  Love SDF Macross, DYRL, and Macross Plus.  Have seen Zero and Frontier too, but I have not seen Delta.

I just have simple question:  which episode of Macross Delta does the classic VF-1 appear?

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1 hour ago, Dressykamila1 said:

Thanks :D and in which episode mainland is seen for the last time

23 or 24, I think... it's shown flying out of an asteroid field.

 

17 minutes ago, PC Valkyrie said:

I just have simple question:  which episode of Macross Delta does the classic VF-1 appear?

#3, starting at about 7:45... though it's not quite the classic VF-1 Valkyrie.

What we see are a pair of VF-1EX's, training aircraft that've been retrofitted/modified with the EX-Gear cockpit system used by almost every 5th Generation VF.

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20 minutes ago, PC Valkyrie said:

Hi all.  I'm an old time member and I have not been active here for quite some time.  Love SDF Macross, DYRL, and Macross Plus.  Have seen Zero and Frontier too, but I have not seen Delta.

I just have simple question:  which episode of Macross Delta does the classic VF-1 appear?

Been a while since I watched, but I think it was the 3rd episode, where Hayate is training to be a pilot with Mirage.

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12 minutes ago, Dressykamila1 said:

image.png.aac14edddbe228e1badd6df7dc010d5f.pngWhat is it? Macross F ep 24

Those are Guantanamo-class stealth space aircraft carriers and Uraga-class stealth escort battle carriers, the two most common classes of aircraft carrier used by the New UN Spacy from the 2030s onward.

The Guantanamo-class stealth carrier is a successor to the old ARMD-class space carriers used during the First Space War and the more advanced type seen after the war (sometimes called ARMD II-class), while the Uraga-class is a newer type that is able to operate in space and in water.

 

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20 hours ago, Seto Kaiba said:

What we see are a pair of VF-1EX's, training aircraft that've been retrofitted/modified with the EX-Gear cockpit system used by almost every 5th Generation VF.

I hope this pedantry isn't too annoying - but misusing "retrofit" bugs me almost as much as using "effect" when it should be "affect."

"Retrofit" means "to return to original condition." Installing new equipment is "refitting" or just plain "fitting." The VF-1EXs have been fitted with new cockpits. "Retrofitting" would involve returning them to the 1st gen cockpits.

Thank you for your indulgence of my peculiarities. :D

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6 minutes ago, Vagabond Elf said:

I hope this pedantry isn't too annoying - but misusing "retrofit" bugs me almost as much as using "effect" when it should be "affect."

"Retrofit" means "to return to original condition." Installing new equipment is "refitting" or just plain "fitting." The VF-1EXs have been fitted with new cockpits. "Retrofitting" would involve returning them to the 1st gen cockpits.

Thank you for your indulgence of my peculiarities. :D

Not according to the dictionary: 
 

retrofit

[ verb re-troh-fit, re-troh-fit; noun, adjective re-troh-fit ]SHOW IPA

verb (used with object), ret·ro·fit·ted or ret·ro·fit, ret·ro·fit·ting.

to modify equipment (in airplanes, automobiles, a factory, etc.) that is already in serviceusing parts developed or made available after the time of original manufacture.
to install, fit, or adapt (a device or system) for use with something older:to retrofit solar heating to a poorly insulated house.

verb (used without object), ret·ro·fit·ted or ret·ro·fit, ret·ro·fit·ting.

(of new or modified parts, equipment, etc.) to fit into or onto existing equipment.
to replace existing parts, equipment, etc., with updated parts or systems.

noun

something that has been retrofitted.
an instance of updating, enlarging, etc., with new or modified equipment:A retrofit could save thousands of dollars.
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38 minutes ago, Vagabond Elf said:

I hope this pedantry isn't too annoying [...]

It'd be rather hypocritical of me if I did get annoyed... I'm pretty damned pedantic myself, truth be told.

(Ah, the perils of academia...)

 

38 minutes ago, Vagabond Elf said:

"Retrofit" means "to return to original condition." Installing new equipment is "refitting" or just plain "fitting." The VF-1EXs have been fitted with new cockpits. "Retrofitting" would involve returning them to the 1st gen cockpits.

That's "restoration" you're thinking of, not "retrofitting".

As a nautical term, "refit" can go either way... covering either restoration of a ship to its original condition as well as retrofitting it for purposes of modernization or customization, though the latter usage is far and away the more common one.  "Retrofit" is a synonym of "Modernize" (per Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition).

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6 hours ago, jenius said:

Not according to the dictionary: 
 

(...)

 

Wouldn't a regular sized quote have been sufficient?  The large/bold/highlighted text is a bit overkill, and doesn't make us look very friendly, you know.  ;)

. . .

As for the definition... not every version of English is the same, guys.

Vagabond Elf, do you have a link to a Canadian dictionary with that particular definition?  If not, I'm curious what the context is for that particular definition.  (Work/company?  School?)

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I hit copy, then I hit paste... The forums did the rest.

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Concerning the VF-25 and it’s many variations. We are familiar with the RVF, but what further role does the VEF-25E perform? Granted, it’s called Warning-Messiah, but is that to say it doesn’t have any similar hardware or duties as the RVF?

I’m assuming the VRF-25F would have a very limited combat role as it doesn’t appear to come equipped with a gun pod..

The VC-25V is odd , I wish there were more views of this as the airframe doesn’t appear so aerodynamic.

And speaking of odd, WHAT is up with the VF-25WR Wyvern-2 ? It’s SO oddball I love it!

 

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58 minutes ago, sketchley said:

Wouldn't a regular sized quote have been sufficient?  The large/bold/highlighted text is a bit overkill, and doesn't make us look very friendly, you know.  ;)

That's a quirk of IPB... the IPB rich text editor will retain the source formatting of copied and pasted text (incl. color, background color, size, and any other tags) unless you paste using CTRL-SHIFT-V instead of just CTRL-V.  Most BBS software doesn't do that, and thus people copying and pasting stuff to here often find weird formatting when IPB attempts to make sense of whatever tag content was in the original.

Since a lot of office applications have started doing the same thing, CTRL-SHIFT-V has become rather more useful than CTRL-V for most purposes.

 

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As for the definition... not every version of English is the same, guys.

This term is the same in British English as it is in American English, at least according to the Oxford, Cambridge, and Collins English dictionaries...

 

 

35 minutes ago, Bolt said:

Concerning the VF-25 and it’s many variations. We are familiar with the RVF, but what further role does the VEF-25E perform? Granted, it’s called Warning-Messiah, but is that to say it doesn’t have any similar hardware or duties as the RVF?

It's a dedicated two-seater Airborne Early Warning model, with some specialized hardware for fold wave-based electronic warfare and purports to be using an advanced version of the Aegis Pack that has a non-rotating phased array radome (a trait Master File's writers seem to really like, as they've incorporated it on several similar units).

 

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I’m assuming the VRF-25F would have a very limited combat role as it doesn’t appear to come equipped with a gun pod..

Apparently not, given that its description essentially describes its reconnaissance methodology as reconnaissance in force (seeing what the enemy's got by shooting at them until they come after you).  It's noted to have reinforced energy conversion armor that is beefed up to twice the usual strength of the VF-25 with additional equipment to supply the armor with power.

 

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The VC-25V is odd , I wish there were more views of this as the airframe doesn’t appear so aerodynamic.

That's another oddity Master File's writers seem to be fond of... "VIP transport" conversions that gut the VF's transformation so it can accommodate a large passenger compartment.

The airframe shape isn't actually that different, it's just the transformation's moving parts have been replaced with a static crew compartment and the shield replaced with a generator unit to provide power to the greatly-upscaled ISC system protecting the passengers from its acceleration. 

 

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And speaking of odd, WHAT is up with the VF-25WR Wyvern-2 ? It’s SO oddball I love it!

A carryover from Macross Ace magazine, actually.

In the final analysis, that goofy thing is technically a stealth conversion... namely, one meant to eliminate the low level fold waves emitted by the Gravity and Inertia Control systems at the heart of the VF's compact thermonuclear reactors and make the VF-25 "invisible" to the Vajra's fold wave detection abilities by substituting a reciprocating engine and contrarotating propeller with that larger wing so the VF-25 would be able to function as a low-speed reconnaissance aircraft for surveying the Vajra home planet and Vajra habitat without being perceived as a potential threat.

Development was cancelled after hostilities with the Vajra broke out in 2059.

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30 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's a quirk of IPB... the IPB rich text editor will retain the source formatting of copied and pasted text (incl. color, background color, size, and any other tags) unless you paste using CTRL-SHIFT-V instead of just CTRL-V.  Most BBS software doesn't do that, and thus people copying and pasting stuff to here often find weird formatting when IPB attempts to make sense of whatever tag content was in the original.

Thank you for the tip, I'll do that going forward.

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37 minutes ago, Seto Kaiba said:

The airframe shape isn't actually that different, it's just the transformation's moving parts have been replaced with a static crew compartment and the shield replaced with a generator unit to provide power to the greatly-upscaled ISC system protecting the passengers from its acceleration. 

Interesting .. how many “passengers” we talking?

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3 minutes ago, Bolt said:

Interesting .. how many “passengers” we talking?

Nine, not counting the pilot.

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Glitchy..

Thanks!

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1 hour ago, Seto Kaiba said:

That's a quirk of IPB... the IPB rich text editor will retain the source formatting of copied and pasted text (incl. color, background color, size, and any other tags) unless you paste using CTRL-SHIFT-V instead of just CTRL-V.  Most BBS software doesn't do that, and thus people copying and pasting stuff to here often find weird formatting when IPB attempts to make sense of whatever tag content was in the original.

Since a lot of office applications have started doing the same thing, CTRL-SHIFT-V has become rather more useful than CTRL-V for most purposes.

I've gotten in the habit of pasting into notepad, then copying from there to get a formatting-stripped version. 

Does ctrl-shift-insert work too? I'm one of the weirdos that uses shift-del for cut and shift-ins for paste.

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When you paste there's also a little popup at the bottom of the editor that you can click on to paste as plain text instead.

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As far as the Wyvern goes, it’s an interesting take on Vietnam-era silent observation plane experiments like the YO-3 or the Lockheed Q-Star. I just can’t help but think it would have been a better use of resources to just make an ICE-powered drone than kludge all that together to make a Messiah fly without flying, if you get me. 

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3 hours ago, Sildani said:

As far as the Wyvern goes, it’s an interesting take on Vietnam-era silent observation plane experiments like the YO-3 or the Lockheed Q-Star. I just can’t help but think it would have been a better use of resources to just make an ICE-powered drone than kludge all that together to make a Messiah fly without flying, if you get me. 

Oh, probably... but the Wyvern was designed for a not-terribly-serious running column in Macross Ace magazine.  It was not really intended to be taken completely seriously.  The Wyvern 2 is that ill-advised attempt to take a joke machine seriously.

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