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2 hours ago, Roy Focker said:

Top Gun was more of a character driven story than a look at these cool jet fighters.  

You got that backwards.  I'd even go with getting rid of the entire "Character Driven" in any way.  They slapped on enough dialog to fill up the run time between fighter combat scenes - and even then they reused the money shot.

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4 hours ago, Dynaman said:

You got that backwards.  I'd even go with getting rid of the entire "Character Driven" in any way.  They slapped on enough dialog to fill up the run time between fighter combat scenes - and even then they reused the money shot.

I've described Top Gun as "the chick flick guys like", and I stand by this. The thing is 90% romance and drama, and 10% pilots being awesome. They put in just enough jets to keep guys from realizing what they were watching.

The Top Gun people think they saw isn't actually a movie that exists.

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46 minutes ago, JB0 said:

I've described Top Gun as "the chick flick guys like", and I stand by this. The thing is 90% romance and drama, and 10% pilots being awesome. They put in just enough jets to keep guys from realizing what they were watching.

The Top Gun people think they saw isn't actually a movie that exists.

:lol:

Regardless of the whole romance story and the typical Tom Cruise inner turmoil schtick that became a hallmark of many of his movies throughout the 90's, Top Gun was one of the best recruiting vehicles ever made for the Navy. Jets are cool, and the movie did a good job of glamorizing the fighter pilot life.  I'm not sure it'll have the same effect on today's generation of young men and women, as they're more interested in the next version of iPhone than jumping into a fast plane. Moreover, I think today's youth are a little more savvy than we were in the 80's, due to social media saturation, Google, and Wiki at their fingertips; I assume more kids are aware that only a small percentage of people ever see the inside of a cockpit, and the vast majority , regardless of branch, end up working on the ground. As a hydraulics specialist in the Air Force, the only time I ever flew was when I went on TDYs , and later in my career, deployments to nowhere noteworthy or glamorous, packed into a KC-135 (with a really crappy environmental system) along with about twenty or so peeps, and several palettes of cargo. It made for a long, uncomfortable ride across the pond. So, if any of you guys reading this are aspiring jet jockies, know that it's a tough career to get into, but if you make it, the fact is, the military accommodates you very well. It's a good life, and it's a powerful, nigh requisite, stepping stone to achieving rank and greater positions of authority in those services that fly. If you can't be a pilot, go medical, finance, or personnel (non-ers, as we in the aircraft world cheekily call them:p)- avoid CE, aircraft maintenance, and security forces, where long thankless days in any conceivable weather are your destiny. There's a reason you don't see movies about the latter three.;)

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7 hours ago, JB0 said:

I've described Top Gun as "the chick flick guys like", and I stand by this. The thing is 90% romance and drama, and 10% pilots being awesome. They put in just enough jets to keep guys from realizing what they were watching.

The Top Gun people think they saw isn't actually a movie that exists.

Well, the jet parts that were in the OG Top Gun were very memorable, which is why I guess so many people only remember that part and not Maverick's woman issues, or his trauma around losing his RIO.

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23 hours ago, M'Kyuun said:

packed into a KC-135 (with a really crappy environmental system)

I would imagine the original (JT3-powered) KC-135 has similar environmental systems as the 707----which, along with the DC-8 etc, predated "all other commercial airliners"  and had engines not designed "to provide air etc for a bunch of humans".   The early 707/DC-8 engines are very much "fighter jet engines without afterburners".  They did not use bleed air and a/c packs "like every airliner after, to this day" to provide for "the fleshlings being hauled along".  They had turbocompressers (nose-mounted for the DC-8, pylon-mounted for the 707) which quite "independently, and not all that well compared to 1960's and later stuff" provided air etc.  

If you flew in a re-engined KC-135, that should have a similar system as the re-engined DC-8, and if it STILL sucked, I don't know why...

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9 hours ago, Shadow said:

 

No growlers... and no GSE, either. No hummer parked in the pack forward of the Lel-1, no H-60. That's a ridiculous clean hangar bay... You can't even see the f*cking Jack Tester that would be hidden in that sea of black waaaaaaaay in the background of the Bay-1. Seriously, they must have CGI'd the non-skid. you could scrub the deck for years and it would still look like sh*t unless you just applied it. :D

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Watched an F-18 pilot review of the trailer.....he mentioned something that I'm not sure is actually true.  He said that it was his understanding that all the flying in the movie was supposedly real, then he got to the shot of the F14 and did not confirm whether it was real or not.

Was what he said about all the flying being real, true?  He seemed unsure about the F14 scene.  Or maybe it was real footage, but from before their retirement and just enhanced for the scene?  There's no way they got one flying again right?

Would be sweet if this movie was just a teaser for F14s coming back, but I know it's just wishful thinking, lol!

 

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16 hours ago, peter said:

Watched an F-18 pilot review of the trailer.....he mentioned something that I'm not sure is actually true.  He said that it was his understanding that all the flying in the movie was supposedly real, then he got to the shot of the F14 and did not confirm whether it was real or not.

Was what he said about all the flying being real, true?  He seemed unsure about the F14 scene.  Or maybe it was real footage, but from before their retirement and just enhanced for the scene?  There's no way they got one flying again right?

Would be sweet if this movie was just a teaser for F14s coming back, but I know it's just wishful thinking, lol!

 

Pretty sure the Kitty is CG. It would take alot of effort to get an F-14 airworthy again from what I can tell.

Here is CW Lemoine's take.

 

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3 hours ago, Dobber said:

Hollywood still doesn’t get that callsigns aren’t supposed to be cool and bad-ass sounding.

Chris

I don't know a lot about Air Force, but in the Army, nicknames can be the worst.  There's a guy in my unit who got the nickname "Pubes" and he's been stuck with it for almost ten years.  Look into the Weapons Banter thread for the backstory.

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1 hour ago, peter said:

I don't know a lot about Air Force, but in the Army, nicknames can be the worst.  There's a guy in my unit who got the nickname "Pubes" and he's been stuck with it for almost ten years.  Look into the Weapons Banter thread for the backstory.

Don’t know about the Air Force either, but in the Navy it’s usually something your embarrassed about...a reminder of something stupid you did. Like most nicknames. ;)

Not “Phoenix” or “Avenger” ect. :rolleyes:

Chris

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5 hours ago, Shadow said:

Pretty sure the Kitty is CG. It would take alot of effort to get an F-14 airworthy again from what I can tell.

Here is CW Lemoine's take.

It really warms my cold dead heart to see that super professional important bestest of the best most serious real business people are just as much dumb nerds overanalyzing everything as the rest of us plebs.

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